err...isn't the final decision already out? Or you waiting for appeal result?

I don't need to watch F1 10 years before posting on it rite? Anyway about that berryluiusdasdnkeuh, it was banned in 1998. How long does it take to redesign another with somewhat similar reliability? Its been almost 10 years and McLarens have to wait till the rev limit cap to help them? I don't think so...and was the berry-based engine reliable to begin with that time?

Rev limit does help the engineers a little but that is also just speculation. How can you prove that it did indeed help the McLaren engineers with engine reliability? Any reports?

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 14 2007, 11:09 AM

of course its common sense. Its common sense that it "helps", but I'm emphasizing on "to what extent" because we're talking about 100% engine reliability here. McLarens have yet to retire due to...anything this season. When was the last time McLaren did not retire in the entire season? Remember Kimi's infamous "engine change before race"? *This still doesn't explain why McLaren took almost 10 years to solve their berrylinlsierlijl problem.

(forgotten what I wanted to type ady....)

It is not evidentially concrete but yes, I am suggesting in this thread that Ferrari data could be used to the advantage of the McLarens to give them the edge on both reliability and performance. McLarens don't have to use exactly same design parts as the Ferrari but they could figure out from the designs on which part of Ferrari's car gives them the edge and how they can overcome the "edge". If I can provide evidence on this, I don't need to be here...I could be working in the FIA itself and making millions like Max or watever.

ok...this is really getting out of topic here. Not to mention I'm having a headache arguing with McLaren fans who have already been fined and stripped out of championship points. I don't care about appeal, but I'm also interested to know on what basis FIA made their decision.

I don't get it...engine lasting longer actually reduces engine reliability doesn't it? How is this related to Mika's time when the engine rule that time wasn't as strict as currently.

if its only aero data then there's no point in debating at all ady...
forgotten about Caughlan and Stepney...were they let off or wat?

uh...Rosa who? Hungary? I thought Rosa finished that race?

I was just reading the news on F1-Live and noticed this...

teams usually have updates on their car for each different track isn't it? So does this mean that McLaren will have to report to the WMSC everytime before using any new parts?

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 14 2007, 04:28 PM

uhh...only for McLaren isn't it? "imposed on the team"

the FIA or WMSC said that they didn't want to spoil the championship fight for the F1 fans. True, new Lewis fans won't want to see him lose the championship lead like this

now this is quite interesting. I didn't know the identities of the email authors were Alonso and Pedro...

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 15 2007, 05:35 AM

I heard Astro lost some money investing in Indonesia or something...so this could be one of their cutting cost techniques...

either way, just watched Astro's qualifying of Spa. TV2 showing now. Damn intense final session
Ferrari pole
anyone know why the crew checked the rear of Kimi's car on the last stop?

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 16 2007, 01:05 AM

nice race by the Ferrari drivers. Too bad for Lewis, losing more ground to Alonso. Btw, why didn't they do 1 lap before going into the pits?

but in the past they didn't take this shortcut...weird...

yes, Alonso did push Hamilton off the track on purpose...normal in racing but a little more than usual I must say. Desperation I guess

yes...this is gonna be interesting. I think McLarens have a slight advantage though...they can overtake easily in the straights if they use low downforce setup.

there's an interesting article on Max wanting to completely remove Alonso and Hamilton from the championship in today's Star papers. Pg 54. I remember seeing this news in F1-live, but it wasn't this detailed.

Thing is...I thought the email conversation only involved Alonso and Pedro? Why was Hamilton in Max's hunting list?

yup, that's the one. Maybe I saw an un-updated version of the news

heh, sorry man

Prodrive boss in helicopter scare
A crash landing for Dave Richards



don't die on us before revealing the new car

This post has been edited by young_soul: Sep 18 2007, 09:15 AM

I thought it was called the P1
anyway can't wait to see what ProDrive can do

where to get?

serious? They dare post un-true statements like that?

hope that 'setup' is quick...

didn't notice that
but I think without those tyre failures, Lewis could have been quite consistent as well.