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aurora97
post Dec 4 2008, 12:59 PM

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FKLI market requires alot of bling bling and amunition ...

unlike stock market ur ammo need only be a shot gun or rifle...

for FKLI u need to have a machine gun just in case ur ammo must be at least close to infinite.

How?

if the inital margin is Rm 5000 u must have at least Rm 10,000 to cover the IM, and the ability to lose Rm 5000 without being financially affected.

Thats the rule of thumb 2x the initial margin.

Daily margin call, another Rm 2500 to cover daily margin losses for top up purposes.

Per contract basis
Rm 5000 initial Margin paid per contract
Rm 10,000 reserve per contract (x2 of the initial margin)
Rm 2,500 daily top up margin call (50% of the margin sum)
Total Rm 17,500 per contract.

I guarantee u sleep peacefully at night without worries.
aurora97
post Dec 5 2008, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Naked.Tom @ Dec 4 2008, 09:11 PM)
I never attended one and never used one.  If they are so good, they would keep the secret weapon themselves instead of selling them.
Whatever indicators are based on price actions and trends.
I think to use the 5K as capital to try out the mkt oneself is a better deal, but at least one needs to know some basic Technical Analysis and trading knowledge lah.  whistling.gif
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assuming Inital Margin is 4K (i havent updated myself lately so on assumption)

4K isn't ur capital, its equivalent to a deposit for the broker.
u will need another 4K - this will be ur capital because u ned to top up for margin losses everyday depending if ur winning or lossing of course.
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post Apr 23 2009, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Lithos @ Apr 22 2009, 11:47 AM)
Aurora97 is very right, although I disagree about the "sleeping without worries" part.

Feb 26, 2007.....the Shanghai Composite Index plunged 10% in a day, and the next day our own KLCI plunged more than 100 pts at the opening bell. You may be able to cushion the blow with that massive RM17,500 per contract, but you'll sure as hell won't be able to sleep soundly during such turbulent times, because you're staring at thousands in paper losses per contract. Buy more contracts and you'll either save yourself or dig a deeper hole. The only measure that can save you (not without some "injuries", of course) are stop-loss points.

How do I know this? Because I was there, holding not one but 5 contracts at the time. And WITHOUT the aforementioned stop-loss points. Painful doesn't even begin to describe it.  sad.gif

For all the beginners who wish to venture into FKLI trading, I have one advice to all of you. You have to make sure you damn well know what you're doing. This instrument, together with other derivatives such as warrants and options, not to mention Forex (even more so), are about as close to gambling as you can get. Leverage is a double-edged sword, sure you can earn a lot quickly if things go your way, but if they don't, tough luck. With these FKLI contracts, you are always fighting against time, and that time is 30 days or less if you buy the spot month contract. And as aurora97 put it, your biggest weapon is CAPITALISATION, and you'll need tonnes of it.

And a last tip: Never meet a margin call. You may have heard that saying before, but I have experienced the truth of it. Trust me, you don't want to go through that. The sayings are there for a reason.  nod.gif
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I need to highlight further...

"the stop loss mechanism" may not even work at times because of sudden volatile price flactuations that may not trigger it. The drop in the price is so rapid that stop loss trigger forgone totally.

I heard about the theory part, the actual workings i don't really know.

So trade with caution

This post has been edited by aurora97: Apr 23 2009, 10:03 AM
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post Apr 24 2009, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 24 2009, 12:32 AM)
Cherroy, so does it mean if i already sold 1 contract and I don't manage to buy it at a lower price on the last trading day, this contract can be rolled over to May and I won't gain any loss?

Also, I still don't understand what is MO.
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Rollover doesn't mean its free your just exchanging the same contract just different months to avoid a cash settlement, from what i see how its done... its very rare to see Retail clients to roll over their contracts unless they are high networth people (& know what they r doing).

For those ikan bilis they normally stay out at the end of the month, because the price flactuations tend to be extremely volatile because the big boys (Foreign Funds) are moving the market (i.e. rolling over their contract).

Oh by the way, if you roll over u still have to pay for price differences.




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post Apr 24 2009, 10:00 AM

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Matching Order...

1. Say you long one contract

2. than 5 mins later you short the same contract you bought

3. this is known as a close out = matching order.

5. the difference will be your profit or loss (in equity terms contra loss/gain)


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post May 18 2009, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 18 2009, 01:09 PM)
hm....still have 2 more weeks to go..

hopefully could cover up the loss
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lol dont hope too much...

or later really smell like bunt sh.it than u know ...


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post May 26 2009, 10:22 AM

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thats why i prefer to focus on investing in the stock market and slowly grow to other products like warrant, call warrant than to futures market ...

still taking those baby steps to understand more of the product...

currently doing research on margin facility tongue.gif ...

next will be CW.
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post Sep 25 2009, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(tblee88 @ Sep 24 2009, 07:32 PM)
2 lots for fkli not enough at least 5 - 10 lots but i don't like bcos at last broker who will be the winner . risk & rewards ratio no good. collecting small money is hard work.


Added on September 24, 2009, 8:01 pm
Do u know why malaysia small market bec`ome smaller no energy. this is bcos bursa set the limit for stock like RM1.00 stock can move 1 sen RM10 can move 5 sen . this way is to turn m market to become little .where got overseas pro come to play . no big player no game lor .
I don't know what the bn goverment thinking want the stock market to turn smaller . i think is bcos they have no experience to manage the market
u see now bursa have too sell its own share 25% to CME hope they can help to attract big boy from overseas to come in the malaysia derivatives market .
i feel sad as a malaysian
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the highlighted part is very true, since some broker (if u mean the futures broker and not the futures broker) tend to churn commission from clients trades.. exiting 4-5pts without receiving the full value.

My perception is...

Brokers who do churning (even to some extent traders - u n me) merely gain in the short term, we merely see the immediate profit.

Simple comparison, would be a get rich quick scheme. if u are one of the early investors, u'd probably see high returns 30-50%.

The unfortunate truth is, it only takes one event to wipe out all gains made, the only winners are the Futures Broker House and the Broker.


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post Sep 25 2009, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Sep 25 2009, 09:35 AM)
Sorry aurora, mind to explain what does the highlighted part mean?
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the highlighted portion actually trying to say "if one is not referring futures broker and not the futures broking house"

i had my coffee 5 mins ago just realised the mistake, thanks for pting out.

Futures Broker = same like remisier
Futures Broking House = CIMB Futures, OSK Futures etc...



 

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