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post Apr 8 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Apr 8 2020, 11:35 AM)
Make no mistake, alot of the construction companies including sub-cons, are going to suffer & even be wiped out due to the MCO.

All construction work can't jalan due to MCO, afterwards, alot will die due to late delivery charges. No company in the world can survive the late delivery charges in construction projects. It's built that way, so those companies that cause delay of the project will have to tutup kedai..

The government better have a plan for those construction firms affected by this bloody MCO, otherwise alot will go bust and tutup kedai, forcing thousands of thousands of workers to go unemployed.

The ones that untung from this mess are the lawyers (sue here, sue there). and the developers & new home owners that sign SPA. They will untung because can claim late delivery charge.
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agreed.. the constructions lines are not doing good all this while..

the main con, sub cons, suppliers, and foreign labours will suffer...

the constructions tycoon are mostly top 50 richest in Msia, why worried, if they honour the payments and stop constructions, can survive one...

Court/government must prepare to lift the corporate veil to make these companies accountable for debts then ok lor

sue here, sue there, but no monies received also useless... most companies are subsidiary... worse case scenario just close it down
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post Apr 8 2020, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Apr 8 2020, 11:53 AM)
So property price will decrease?
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crash and decrease.. 2019 already crashed , go Semenyih and see

more problems arises after this, those compress loan owners.. coming up soon
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post Apr 8 2020, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Silfer @ Apr 8 2020, 11:54 AM)
force majeure already applied since day 1 of MCO. SO of the project is responsible to issue said letter to main contractor.

im from construction line.
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so those foreign labour, Indon/Bangla? how? one kongsi of ppl...

force majuera cluase and say no payment 1 bulan? no need to eat? no rokok?

u help me explain to the group , then ok la... idling charges for equipments?

sub con/main con bares
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post Apr 8 2020, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Apr 8 2020, 11:54 AM)
Only incompetent ones will die.

My father in law and my dad's company still survive je. Both construction.

their clients are mostly local celebs so no issue there.
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these are specialized type... hardly hit.. building customized bunglows and etc...
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Apr 8 2020, 12:01 PM)
+6 mths... start 2021 ?
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Moratorium does not apply to existing defaulters... more than 3 months especially.. that is the guidelines...

but i heard once they pay one month, they are entitled... within 6 months will be safe..

many will try to sell but... valuation does not hit.. so it will be impaired...unless bank change the policy... valuation does not hit, proceed to sell to reduced loss rather than no cash


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post Apr 8 2020, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Silfer @ Apr 8 2020, 12:07 PM)
1. got salary but half and food is provided. rokok is non-essential mind you.

2. yeah we did the explanation to our group.

3. equipments was charged half by supplier for march and april is KIV to see whether it extend or not.
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1. that is provided you only owe them 1 month salary la.. some head labour cant control the down line already if no monies..

2. that is good, payment record good that y they listen

3. wah so good supplier, mostly NSC?

then subcon payments and supplier how? subcons labour now ask payment directly from you guys... sub con say u guys contra units to them so much they no cash flows... CCRIS/CTOS also koyak di

still got such smooth construction lines.. no deductions? no back charge? paymaster so good?
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Silfer @ Apr 8 2020, 12:30 PM)
1. salary no backlog one. even now during MCO will go site give salary.

2. ya payment record good. boss punya mindset is payment record good, no one can do you anything.

3. been using this supplier for many years.

4. march still pay cause got work done. april no work done yet, depends extend or not, no work done no claim.

5. cash flow is subcon own problem, your butthole koyak is it my problem as well?

6. got VO and VE. backcharge got. paymaster good.
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then you are one the good paymaster i can say.. this is like 10% of the line..

next question is whether the project is sell-able? if not.. ur payment will stuck also
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Silfer @ Apr 8 2020, 12:43 PM)
project can sell or not not my problem as well. my work is to complete the job under contracted period.
ayam kuli saja. you've gone from force majure to property sales performance. im sorry to say that i dont have the expertise in that field.
but so far my payment had been diligently paid by developer. all projects performance had been so so throughout the year. it is what it is.
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oh cannot sell = you take few units (contra) =cash flows

ur boss good ah cut own meat and blood to help pay others
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QUOTE(Silfer @ Apr 8 2020, 12:51 PM)
did not take few units as you claimed.
not sure what you mean by that. pay what? cut own meat and blood, i dont get this metaphor. sorry ayam bodoh.
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final claim later... when you wanna take retention sum that time..

it means that boss fork own monies to pay
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin988 @ Apr 8 2020, 12:53 PM)
Main con can claim for EOT la tu
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those staffs under Main Con macam, site supervisors, area, engineer, managers, security guards, accounts and etc..

but Main con can sustain one..
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QUOTE(Prometric @ Apr 8 2020, 12:57 PM)
Im in construction company, i think my Boss now day day pray the MCO extend cause company cash flow can tahan min 1 year without any income/collection at all. Time to kill off all the competition.
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hmm dirty... the billionaires are waiting for chanci to sapu other companies like airline Malaysia... constructions company...

later wholly taken over by new billionaires
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QUOTE(kelvin988 @ Apr 8 2020, 01:04 PM)
if main con a lot of them sub out their work, staff wise every industry same haha
but if construction mati, a lot of firm will die together
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the trend is happening, just waiting the right time... maciem some even listed cons also Winding up

maybe after falling quite bad, there will be take over by other companies... HLBB/PBB these players can sapu..
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post Apr 8 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Prometric @ Apr 8 2020, 01:07 PM)
Not dirty, its the survival of the fittest
Ya i agree, cash is king now. Now all payment out confirm on hold. At least boss treat us good, no pay cut / un-paid leave etc etc
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if got cash, why still submit to pay subcon to finish the project?

drag, until pay master gg, then sapu paymaster position with dirt cheap price ma

my idea if cash rich enough
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QUOTE(rickyro @ Apr 8 2020, 01:12 PM)
EOT must be granted under PAM under such circumstances
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boss explain further can? if not EOT clause dalam PAM ? PAM not standard form? so those direct sub contract punya depends on each individual contract la?

i saw views that even Majuera tak de, still will be implied/understand such clauses... true?
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Apr 8 2020, 01:14 PM)
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only QS ke? construction related boleh ke?
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QUOTE(KHunterz @ Apr 8 2020, 01:28 PM)
i know some main developer wont die. u know why, they are cash rich. they have some 4years old property cannot sell also no worries. why worry?
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siapa? name it? many China constructions funders luring ard 50M to 100M anytime

one of the players at Bukit Jalil Pavillion players ? or Semenyih? or Rawang? KL South?
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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Apr 8 2020, 01:32 PM)
biggrin.gif why sub-con need to submit EOT , aldy name also mentioned as sub-con liao , stupiak keh

normally is the main-con that got contract with the Client , main-con submit EOT enough lah

surely main-con will be experience enough
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correct wor... because LAD biasanya paymaster punya issue...

btw main con dan sub con biasanya can talk extension , worse case back charge je...

orang experience tu
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QUOTE(RO Player @ Apr 8 2020, 01:34 PM)
thats contrs company have project, those finding suffers.

long terms, developer will suffer, if no sales..then domino effect...
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contra lor to Main Cons.. happens every time...
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Apr 8 2020, 01:36 PM)
sohai la u

in the contract got many allowances also for unforeseen things that is not out of the control of main con/sub con

got "extension of time" clause.

the SO wanna give under "force majeure" also can or under "government order etc"

then maincon can claim "loss & expenses" due to the delay

many more la sohai. the only company who dead are stupid company..topkek  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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rightfully explained, but the loss and expenses rates ? macam BQ?

the issue before and after MCO is payment wise.. not updated.. 3-4 months and under certifications/non certifications

yes there are remedies for you to with regards to under certi/non-certi, issue stop work order letters, complain.. but remaining projects how? normally starting times, fora projects main con/sub con relocation equipment, workers office, labour already big costs in..

as such they will continue work, those under-certi/non -certi wil keep quiet, Main con/paymaster normally give enough to survive/run the projects.. supplies side the use nominated sub-cons... and Main con pon kena bayor, give face to paymaster..

am quite sure sure a da consultant/paymaster coupled with current defect, no follow design and MCO raise issues... can potong sub-cons and back charge... these are normal? sub con documents not complete then gg di
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QUOTE(@Adele @ Apr 8 2020, 01:45 PM)
Where got affected? My friend do QS everyday also busy job secured. Always ppl say construction slow mana ada. Just 2 mths ago 1 of the construction company had company dinner and open 1k/bottle whiskey unlimited drink and gave away gold bars at dinner.
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oi... alahai.. u tak tau meh those annual dinner and bagai kat Mandrin oriental, Sp convention centers, KLCC and etc macam mana?

Construction company linked to developers/main paymaster will call main cons/sub-cons, then 'invite them" to go dinner...

"Hi ABC constructions, your good company is invited to attend our annual dinner, Dato/Dato Sri/Tan Sri had reserve slots for you... each ticket RM5K, We reserve 1 table/2 slots for your" ok?

that is how annual dinner/majlis is held.. those gold bar, whiskies are sponsored ma...

anyone from constructions industry can confirm? last i heard was RM10K one seat.. depending on location which they host la .. normally KL rates are like that

and on that day all subcon/main cons come with blazer, coats, watches, spectacles tu, hair like aaron kwok/hong kong star... and seating priority whether close to organizer/boss depends on relationship and contributions

they listent to Dato/Dato Sri/Tan Sri speech about history of the company and etc...

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