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 Breaking* BNM say no need to pay loans, for 6 months

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SUSLiamness
post Mar 25 2020, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Mar 24 2020, 10:40 PM)
hey bro, I am happy to be proven wrong, and I am open to accept new information as long as they are backed with facts presented in good light.
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You are wrong.. let's take car finance for instance..

Your payment schedule and interest is already locked. I.e. the interest is a fixed amount. Even if you paid off earlier, you will still be charged the same amount of interest as somebody who settled your car loan at the end of tenure.


So your theory of accrued interest during moratorium is impossible for car loans at least..

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post Mar 25 2020, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Mar 25 2020, 12:01 AM)
Will this grace period of loans reflect in our CCRIS/CTOS scores?
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From the last bullet point, the answer seems a firm no.. which is hugely important because some banks will record this as a negative. But if you show this letter to that bank, maybe they will reverse their decision to record this on our credit score.

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post Mar 25 2020, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(yoshiki81 @ Mar 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
Only who effected not all..confirm by my friend..call bank rakyat..still need to pay
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The rule right now is only those who lost their jobs, took unpaid leave, got infected, etc. Can claim suspension of loans..

You need to submit documents of evidence to the banks too.. i.e. bank statement, letter from employer, etc..

I think that what it means by automatic. But we dont clearly know enough until banks officially come out and make their announcements.. probably tomorrow.

Everything is a competition with these banks btw. Let's see who offers their customers real good packages.
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post Mar 25 2020, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 24 2020, 09:49 PM)
liamness rejoice!
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Right on cue la..

Told you the banks will do everything in their powers to help people that have debt.

Debt is the most powerful tool in the world.

Also, this move is just as bad for savers & bond holders as the fed/bnm printing unlimited money to bail out debters like myself. Haha..

That's the next step btw. Banks printing cash in overdrive.. negative interest rates ftw.
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post Mar 25 2020, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Mar 25 2020, 12:26 AM)
Car loans are simple interest, but there are still ways to penalize borrowers that default their payments. The banks can always accumulate the non-payment and apply interest on them (i.e. interest on the interest). This is easy, usually used for defaulters.

Also you are the one who is wrong about the interest calculation for early settlement. There is this thing called rebate. Whatever interest payable that has not been paid would be rebated upon early settlement. There are calculators to calculate actual outstanding of your hire purchase, find it

As for reducing balance more commonly used for mortgages, asbf, it is also easy to accrue the interest. Interest for these loans are charged on a daily basis, just accumulate the interest accrued each day for the number of days until you make a loan repayment (which reduces your loan balance)

Any of these ways are possible but we don't know yet what the banks will decide. I doubt they will agree to absorb the cost though, the money they lend to their customers are borrowed too and they are charged interest on these funds as well
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Sigh.. A rebate is a rebate.

That is totally different from saying that the hire purchase interest will increase or reduce due to the suspension of loan payments..

You cant suddenly accrue more intetest on your car loan. It's not possible when your payment schedule and interest is fixed from start to finish.. now, at the end of the tenure, the bank may give you a discount for early settlement or a penalty for being late. But again, that is totally different from scenario like this where you are lawfully allowed to suspend your loan for 6 months. Your payment schedule and interest is still fixed.. the only thing that has changed is the end date. That's all..

And your example of accrued interest still doesnt work for car or even personal loans where the interest isn't based on days but rather on your payment schedule. I.e. 60 monthly payments of X amount until the end of Y date.. the interest has already been precalculated and built in..

Hence, the banks cannot charge you interest whilst your loan ia being suspended. It's pretty clear to me on this rule. And my example of how would you charge interest on predetermined or fixed loans such as hire purchase is one of the compelling reasons why the banks won't charge interest on any loan suspension. Including your house loan. They have got to be fair and apply all equal rules across the board.. so if they can't do it for one type of loan, means they should be consisrent and not apply additional interest across the board..

At least that's my logic to this.

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post Mar 25 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Mar 25 2020, 12:07 PM)
Your logic doesn't apply. i don't want to say it, but it turns out that I am right and you are wrong. Now please respect each other, we are just discussing. I am not asking for your apology, but stoip being such a tightass about this whole thing.

Source: https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/2020/FAQs_...%20Measures.pdf

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Of course interest will continue to acrue.. the question is, whether that is ADDITIONAL interest ontop of the interest being accrued as usual.. for somebody like you, who teaches English.. im appalled at the level of your comprehensive skills..

Maybe you should call your bank up. Because that is what I did and was informed that there will not be any additional interest charged for this 6 months..

In anyways, im waiting for the bank letter before I make my move.
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post Mar 25 2020, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Mar 25 2020, 01:44 PM)
Will I be charged additional interest on the repayment amount that is deferred by 6 months during the period?


For conventional loans, interest will continue to be charged on the outstanding balance comprising of both principal and interest portion (i.e. compounded) during the moratorium period.

For Islamic financing, profit will continue to accrue on the outstanding principal amount. Such profit however will not be compounded in line with Shariah principles.

Banks are however not allowed to impose late penalty charges on the deferred amount. In other words, the loan/financing repayment is just deferred by 6 months.
What would happen to my loan/financing repayments after the deferment package period? How does being in the deferment package affect my interest payments after the 6-month period? Is there an increase in monthly payments, or longer tenure?


Interest/profit will continue to accrue on loan/financing repayments that are deferred. This means accumulated repayment amount during the deferment of repayment period will be added to the outstanding loan/financing amount.
More at https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/516688
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So nowhere in there did it say Additional interest will be charged.. accrued interest is VERY different from ADDITIONAL interest..

For house outstanding balance yes, you will get hit because you are not reducing the amount. Which is fair.

But for all other loans, it doesnt matter if you pay in the next 6 months or not because they are fixed interest calculated from the start of the loan and doesn't consider the outstanding amount.. for all other loans, it is wise decision to delay repayment.

Heck.. can even say it is wise decision to delay housing loan repayments based on the fact that house loans have the lowest interest out of any type of secured loan.. you can use your cash to invest and out earn that interest.


 

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