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TSYggdrasil
post Mar 24 2020, 08:36 PM, updated 6y ago

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Recently, I noticed that almost all companies list their principal bankers in their annual reports.
I am a strong believer that certain banking stocks are more risky with their lending while some like Maybank and Public Bank are more prudent.
So, I took time to compile a few near to bankrupt companies and take a look at their principal bankers.

I selected companies based on TradingView screener to screen high risk of default companies, extracted information from latest quarterly reports (TradingView is not entirely accurate).

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Analysis:
1. Non of them have MBSB & Public Bank as their principal bankers.
2. CIMB is at most risk. I expect more impairments and lower profitability.
3. AirAsia's high debt is mostly because of leases not bank borrowings.
4. Surprisingly Maybank also has quite high exposure to these companies.

I do not have time to extract all companies. There are technically 50+ companies at risk so I needed to narrow down my search.

Now we take a look at some companies that (which I feel) have low/manageable gearing:
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Seems that Maybank has customers with almost all companies.
Well managed companies seem to have Public Bank as their principal bankers.
However, it is possible that these companies are run my mostly Chinese. Hence, they prefer to go to a Chinese bank like Public Bank.
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post Mar 24 2020, 08:49 PM

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SAPNRG and AA still have ++ operating cashflow...

means, still can survive?
TSYggdrasil
post Mar 24 2020, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 24 2020, 08:49 PM)
SAPNRG and AA still have ++ operating cashflow...

means, still can survive?
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++ means 2019 and 2018 cash flows positive but doesn't mention how big
+- means 2019 positive, 2018 negative
-+ means 2019 negative, 2018 positive
-- means both negative

Unable to say about O&G and Airline industry because it's very competitive.
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post Mar 24 2020, 08:57 PM

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where velesto?
where serbadk?
where thheavy?
TSYggdrasil
post Mar 24 2020, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 24 2020, 08:57 PM)
where velesto?
where serbadk?
where thheavy?
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Lazy calculate their ratios but you can just have a quick glance at their annual report. I'm certain Public Bank is not inside.
TSYggdrasil
post Mar 24 2020, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 24 2020, 08:57 PM)
where velesto?
where serbadk?
where thheavy?
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Didn't fit the criteria according to Trading View.
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:17 PM

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ohh..u find negative eps
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 08:36 PM)
Seems that Maybank has customers with almost all companies.
Well managed companies seem to have Public Bank as their principal bankers.
However, it is possible that these companies are run my mostly Chinese. Hence, they prefer to go to a Chinese bank like Public Bank.
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glc are obliged to bank with glc banks.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Mar 24 2020, 09:42 PM
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2020, 09:42 PM)
glc are obliged to bank with glc banks.
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Where you heard that from?
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 09:46 PM)
Where you heard that from?
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If you are in the business long enough, you will know.
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2020, 09:48 PM)
If you are in the business long enough, you will know.
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Hmm but almost all the banks are sort of GLCs no?
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post Mar 24 2020, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 09:56 PM)
Hmm but almost all the banks are sort of GLCs no?
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Chairman and majority of bod members of all banks appointed by mof, ceo need mof/pm approval?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2020, 10:32 PM)
Chairman and majority of bod members of all banks appointed by mof, ceo need mof/pm approval?
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Of course but are you saying all banks because MOF approve then all GLC?
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post Mar 24 2020, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 10:42 PM)
Of course but are you saying all banks because MOF approve then all GLC?
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you are not in banking industry. until you have friends working at senior management then come back to argue with me.

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post Mar 24 2020, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2020, 11:02 PM)
you are not in banking industry. until you have friends working at senior management then come back to argue with me.
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You are dodging the question. I audit banks before so I know a bit since I read the board minutes especially when it comes to changes in boardroom.
Even you as a bank employee don't even have access to the minutes since it's top secret. Unless you are suggesting you sit on the BOD.
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post Mar 24 2020, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 11:06 PM)
You are dodging the question. I audit banks before so I know a bit since I read the board minutes especially when it comes to changes in boardroom.
Even you as a bank employee don't even have access to the minutes since it's top secret. Unless you are suggesting you sit on the BOD.
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If you have accounting back ground, you should know how loan moratorium works, which you don't.


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post Mar 24 2020, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 24 2020, 11:09 PM)
You have no idea.
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Noticed you hardly contribute anything in threads but just talking like an empty vessel thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 24 2020, 11:12 PM)
Noticed you hardly contribute anything in threads but just talking like an empty vessel :thumbsup:
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Same was said to me in property thread for a few years. Guess who are empty vessel?

You have the liberty and choice to ignore me.

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post Mar 25 2020, 07:15 AM

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To me, that also makes public bank is rooted in small private business owners. Instead of big corporations.

they are outside of msia crony circle. Besides hongleong and public, all others are sucked into msia main.

Or, instead of public bank not lending the big corporations, could be the big companies are boycotting public bank

Correct ah? I hentam only


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post Mar 25 2020, 07:27 AM

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Also, you are comparing different sector.

Boustead should be comparable to mmhe

Sapura should be compared to dayang, bumi armada, carimin etc

Why pos not yet pn17, so low performance lol

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