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TSMeis
post Mar 22 2020, 10:36 AM, updated 2w ago

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#FortDetrick
#MadeInUSA
#AmericanVirus
#USAVirus
#USALiedPeopleDied
#WhiteManVirus
#WesternerVirus
#FranceVirus
#FrenchVirus
#FranceLiedPeopleDied

PRC, being first in detecting/identifying COVID-19, does not mean COVID-19 is originated in PRC. It could be planted in PRC by foreign forces/agents. It could be brought into PRC by someone (COVID-19 patient) from another countries. It could go undetected earlier before 31 Dec 2019 in other countries, which is now found to be true. No experts in this field in the world 100% confirm that COVID-19 is originated in PRC. Zero, zilch, nil, nada, 零 ling。

A quote:
"That means so many people were laughing at China while he himself was infected by Covid 19. China literally got blamed for identifying virus rather than applaud. This shows how racist people can be, especially Westerners and Indian."
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=96677445

https://pastebin.com/7bT2ktVc
https://pastebin.com/1LH0vTY0

CNN Promotes COVID-19 Conspiracy Theory


The Coronavirus CONSPIRACY - Did COVID-19 Come from America?


CORONAVIRUS LIES
The people that he referred to is fascist, alt-right, right-wing groups, fyi


FRANCE Lied People Died
#FranceLiedPeopleDied


The New Face of COVID-19
#FranceVirus
#FrenchVirus






Concerns raised over U.S. Fort Detrick Lab as COVID-19 rages


Will Washington allow the WHO to investigate its military bio labs?






Italian expert: special pneumonia symptoms exist in October in Italy
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-23/Itali...n8dy/index.html

Coronavirus: ‘strange pneumonia’ seen in Lombardy in November, leading Italian doctor says
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/art...ovember-leading

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U.S. mayor claims he contracted COVID-19 in November
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-05/U-S-m...zjIQ/index.html

U.S. mayor: I was gravely ill in November into December
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-07/U-S-m...Fx72/index.html

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Sources:

Pepe Escobar
China locked in hybrid war with US
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...90233347736433/
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-locked-...id-war-with-us/
"Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019, which included a delegation of 300 US military"

Dennis Etler
US expert Dennis Etler shared his views regarding the spread of Coronavirus COVID-19 in the world as well as the role of the United States in the origination of this terrible disease
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...96296390463462/
https://ednews.net/en/news/politics/421822-...atory-in-the-us

Dennis Etler
This research actually supports my hypothesis that a non-pathogenic coronavirus escaped from a bio-lab in the US, jumped into a human host and evolved into the lethal form that spread globally.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...01273553299079/
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not...ade-in-lab.html

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-furt...ated-us/5706078

China ‘Exposes’ How the US Brought Coronavirus to the Country
https://propakistani.pk/2020/03/13/heres-ho...-came-to-china/

Italian expert: special pneumonia symptoms exist in October in Italy
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-23/Itali...n8dy/index.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELvvknOKSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KliCC1AESmw
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Coronavirus: ‘strange pneumonia’ seen in Lombardy in November, leading Italian doctor says
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/art...ovember-leading

Coronavirus likely spread in California as early as December
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-l...ember-official/
https://archive.is/T5XT2

U.S. doctor with 'flu' in Jan tests positive for COVID-19 antibody
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...34908713268896/
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-05/U-S-d...7Vte/index.html

Coronavirus Death in California Came Weeks Before First Known U.S. Death
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coron...ates-death.html
https://archive.is/O46lI
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...72638202829280/

10 questions for the U.S.: Where did the novel coronavirus come from?
(USA still own 8 billion humans an explanation)
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-19/10-qu...SZfa/index.html

Four questions the US must answer concerning COVID-19
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187243.shtml
https://archive.is/Qs9V2







How the U.S. Government Exposed Thousands of Americans to Lethal Bacteria to Test Biological Warfare (July 13, 2005)
https://www.democracynow.org/2005/7/13/how_...ernment_exposed

Who’s behind the COVID-19 global pandemic
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/26/6...global-pandemic
"We know that the US has a terrible track record of using biological weapons against populations."

Harvard's Genetic Hunt in Anhui
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...36451089781326/
--- "It makes you wonder why bunch of white super elites in US (white nation) are obsessed with Chinese genetics"
--- "At this rate, Anglo-Zio empire and the cabals are willing to do anything to keep its hegemony. They see this as a "side-show" before the real show"

Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at Army Lab Over Safety Concerns (Aug 5, 2019)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...83191115107323/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/g...-biohazard.html

Fort Detrick Lab Shutdown (Aug 11, 2019)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...29150823844685/
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08...b-shutdown.html

Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate (Nov 16, 2015)
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/...rs-debate-34502

Army lab fights coronavirus and its own demons (March 26, 2020)
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/26/army-la...its-own-demons/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/68843034458...60641327362301/

2019–20 vaping lung illness outbreak in USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%93...llness_outbreak

The Coronavirus PATENT is owned by the Pirbright Institute
https://www.facebook.com/va.shiva.ayyadurai...43411582382008/
https://www.facebook.com/va.shiva.ayyadurai...843458172377349







Chinese diplomat promotes conspiracy theory that US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan
(ignore the cheesy title; there is nothing wrong with questioning; USA still own 8 billion humans an explanation)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/chi...-hnk/index.html
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"Dr. Robert Redfield: Some cases that were previously diagnosed as Flu in the US were actually #COVID19. It is absolutely WRONG and INAPPROPRIATE to call this the Chinese coronavirus."
https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/...003509510856704
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"CDC Director Robert Redfield admitted some Americans who seemingly died from influenza were tested positive for novel #coronavirus in the posthumous diagnosis"
https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238110160884625409
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"CDC was caught on the spot. When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!"
https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1238111898828066823
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4860650/user...ed-flu-covid-19
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"Why not send a WHO expert group to US to investigate? US CDC estimates this season flu has so far sickened at least 36 million people and killed 22,000. CDC Director admitted some were actually #COVID19. American people need & deserve more detailed, transparent explanation."
https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/...024085380878337
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Live #82 - Chatting with Caleb Maupin! 20200316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdyozZED4Oc

PRC
Establishment of national defense force on biosecurity urged amid COVID-19 outbreak
Special Unit or bio-defense force to deal with bio-weapons defense and biosecurity
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181343.shtml
https://archive.is/sj4G2

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post Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM

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china said it from US
US said it from china

both super power. so who lie?
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post Mar 22 2020, 10:42 AM

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post Mar 22 2020, 10:48 AM

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almost everyday a tered about conspiracy... ahahaha
and some more from a si botak criminal
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post Mar 22 2020, 10:52 AM

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US military went to Wuhan in October 2019.
- Military World Games

Disease control whatever closed in July 2019.

Sounds like a plan or coincidence? (It's interesting)
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post Mar 22 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Mar 22 2020, 10:52 AM)
US military went to Wuhan in October 2019.
- Military World Games

Disease control whatever closed in July 2019.

Sounds like a plan or coincidence? (It's interesting)
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Some ppl with no arguments here didn't even watch the vids and read the links but bising2 macam 3rd world retards and barbarians.

There are some facts in the vids and links

Kudos to u for being civilized

It's funny how one thing unfolds after another... HK protest (funded by USA), then sign phase 1 trade deal between USA and PRC, then COVID19. One gone, another come.

This post has been edited by Meis: Mar 22 2020, 11:15 AM
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Regardless which superpower country responsible coz both advanced enough to engineered something like covid-19..what we should be really afraid of is this is only a test for them.. covid-19 proved how fragile the world is to a global disaster.. imagine if the more lethal type were released?

Well, I love conspiracy theories..
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post Mar 22 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(washay @ Mar 22 2020, 11:16 AM)
Regardless which superpower country responsible coz both advanced enough to engineered something like covid-19..what we should be really afraid of is this is only a test for them.. covid-19 proved how fragile the world is to a global disaster..  imagine if the more lethal type were released?

Well, I love conspiracy theories..
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It is a human experiment or just a side-show for the Anglo-Zio empire and the cabals. They want to keep their hegemony. Therefore, they want to defame and put the blame on PRC. They butthurt over PRC's global leadership.

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US Trade War With China: Desperate Move To Save Western Empire
China is enabling and uplifting the Global South
China is saving the Global South, poor countries, developing world from western imperialism
https://countercurrents.org/2018/11/us-trad...-western-empire
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-trade-war-...-empire/5660991

China Battles France for Business in Former African Colonies
China is enabling and uplifting the Global South
China is saving the Global South, poor countries, developing world from western imperialism
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...frican-colonies

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post Mar 22 2020, 11:28 AM

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Read this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...ew-coronavirus1

Chinese scientist found source of coronavirus... yup, it's from BATs!

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post Mar 22 2020, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Mar 22 2020, 11:28 AM)
Read this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...e=pocket-newtab

Chinese scientist found source of coronavirus... yup, it's from BATs!
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post Mar 22 2020, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Mar 22 2020, 11:28 AM)
Read this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...ew-coronavirus1

Chinese scientist found source of coronavirus... yup, it's from BATs!
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And this was posted on American propaganda website?
Sound dubious to me.

Hello
Those people has been eating bats for centuries.
For centuries, it was not a problem.

Corona definitely is man-made.


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post Mar 22 2020, 11:42 AM

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It doesn't matter where this virus originated from cuz the damage is done already. would be great if we all can focus on how to minimize the damage by practicing social distancing, self quarantine etc.
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QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Mar 22 2020, 11:36 AM)
And this was posted on American propaganda website?
Sound dubious to me.

Hello
Those people has been eating bats for centuries.
For centuries, it was not a problem.

Corona definitely is man-made.
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No propaganda.. just science.
There could be THOUSANDS of different kind of coronaviruses that we still haven't discover yet.

It's NOT EATING bats (we all know if cooked properly, virus will die).

But.. the live virus can JUMP thru droplets... (eg. blood, salivas, feces).

If you've been thru those wet market and see how they slaughter them,
It's the blood/feces/salivas/aerosols that spread to human respiratory system.

We should continue to support the science that need to identify these type of pathogens
before they find us.

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post Mar 22 2020, 12:00 PM

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I actually watched the first video few days ago. He is neither supporting China or America. He is showing reports, events, and putting everything into a timeline. So it makes it a bit more creditable.

To be a bit more conclusive, ppl should also for the 300 military from US that went to that Wuhan Military event to do the Covid 19 test. Or wait, are they all still alive? 🌚
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in relation to the TS youtube, SCMP has this to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CJY1fO6h0w

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Loool how stupid do you have to be to fall for this obvious propaganda from the ccp to divert blame for their handling of this situation.....every few years there is a virus outbreak in China simply because of eating habits constantly eating exotic animals and storing them together allows viruses to jump hosts.....sars h7n9 etc all flu like viruses started in china the same way as Corona also america is it.....what's America plan to destroy it's own economy and crash the world???????? Don't be stupid sheep people not everything is a conspiracy
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Look at all those sad face, how cute. Instead of debating like a civilized, they decided to jump to conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%93...llness_outbreak

For me, what needs to be done right now is to identify if the 2019-20 vaping lung illness out break is actually covid-19. The CDC claimed the illness is related to vaping and whatnot but the similar illness is not found in elsewhere other than US and Canada, particularly UK and France.

Does that mean the vaping ingredients is built differently in US and Canada compared to the rest of the world

OR

This so called vaping lung disease is actually COVID-19
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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 10:36 AM)
COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-furt...ated-us/5706078
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I read only this, and note that the author is:

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He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West.


I found that expatriate living in China would tend to side against mainstream Western media....

However, I am nobody to say he is right or wrong.
The fact is, this virus was emerged on earth, right on the planet where we live, nowadays every major cities are inter-linked, regardless where did it originate from, each country can affects one another easily.....


If anyone is interested, read this article too:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronav...-update/5705196
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post Mar 22 2020, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 12:51 PM)
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Checked directly with those PRC locals in several states in China, their country is already free from outbreak, the chemical effects gone after 1 month without fresh US chemical agents attack since lockdown and military tightened checks at all country's entrance/exit. PRC now freely go vacation in the country internal tourist spots. All industries resumed business as usual.

Already started calling all other countries to go lockdown closing their borders including ours. Without fresh chemical attacks, this US made outbreak would end in 1 month after all existing infected being identified and quarantined. For those infected who avoided, they won't prove any danger after certain period. The virus doesn't breed new chemicals so the spread is limited. The G needs to close the border to Singapore as well coz they still let border open to chemical agents
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if only the cdc will exhume the dead bodies and test for the virus... and that will never happen.

and the 300 us military personnel who went to wuhan... are they well or sick? that will never be revealed.

china maintains "there is no proof cov19 originate from the wuhan wet market".


we should not be so certain it must be this or it must be that...

more beneficial to keep reading the facts and evidence.

in all likelihood, an x-file will remain, unfortunately.


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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 10:56 AM)
Some ppl with no arguments here didn't even watch the vids and read the links but bising2 macam 3rd world retards and barbarians.

There are some facts in the vids and links

Kudos to u for being civilized

It's funny how one thing unfolds after another... HK protest (funded by USA), then sign phase 1 trade deal between USA and PRC, then COVID19. One gone, another come.
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Any thinking person would be able to connect the dots.kudos to you.
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Over 9000 athletes from 110 countries participated in the games how come nobody else kena?

IF any country wanted to spread bio weapons, there are much more discrete ways of doing it than using a contingent of own country athletes.

I see it as just conspiracy theories to shift the blame.
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Over and over again, the military has conducted dangerous biowarfare experiments on Americans

Kevin Loria, Business Insider US
September 25, 2016

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On September 20, 1950, a US Navy ship just off the coast of San Francisco used a giant hose to spray a cloud of microbes into the air and into the city’s famous fog. The military was testing how a biological weapon attack would affect the 800,000 residents of the city.

The people of San Francisco had no idea.

The Navy continued the tests for seven days, potentially causing at least one death. It was one of the first large-scale biological weapon trials that would be conducted under a “germ warfare testing program” that went on for 20 years, from 1949 to 1969. The goal “was to deter [the use of biological weapons] against the United States and its allies and to retaliate if deterrence failed,” the government explained later. “Fundamental to the development of a deterrent strategy was the need for a thorough study and analysis of our vulnerability to overt and covert attack.”

Of the 239 known tests in that program, San Francisco was notable for two reasons, according to Dr. Leonard Cole, who documented the episode in his book “Clouds of Secrecy: The Army’s Germ Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas.”

Cole, now the director of the Terror Medicine and Security Program at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, tells Business Insider that this incident was “notable: first, because it was really early in the program … but also because of the extraordinary coincidence that took place at Stanford Hospital, beginning days after the Army’s tests had taken place.”

Hospital staff were so shocked at the appearance of a patient infected with a bacteria, Serratia marcescens, that had never been found in the hospital and was rare in the area, that they published an article about it in a medical journal. The patient, Edward Nevin, died after the infection spread to his heart.

S. marcescens was one of the two types of bacteria the Navy ship had sprayed over the Bay Area.

It wasn’t until the 1970s that Americans, as Cole wrote in the book, “learned that for decades they had been serving as experimental animals for agencies of their government.”

San Francisco wasn’t the first or the last experiment on citizens who hadn’t given informed consent.

Other experiments involved testing mind-altering drugs on unsuspecting citizens. In one shocking, well-known incident, government researchers studied the effects of syphilis on black Americans without informing the men that they had the disease – they were told they had “bad blood.” Researchers withheld treatment after it became available so they could continue studying the illness, despite the devastating and life-threatening implications of doing so for the men and their families.

But it was the germ warfare tests that Cole focused on.

“All these other tests, while terrible, they affected people counted in the hundreds at most,” he says. “But when you talk about exposing millions of people to potential harm, by spreading around certain chemicals or biological agents, the quantitative effect of that is just unbelievable.”

“Every one of the [biological and chemical] agents the Army used had been challenged” by medical reports, he says, despite the Army’s contention in public hearings that they’d selected “harmless simulants” of biological weapons.

“They’re all considered pathogens now,” Cole says.

Here are some of the other difficult-to-believe germ warfare experiments that occurred during this dark chapter in US history. These tests were documented in Cole’s book and verified by Business Insider using congressional reports and archived news articles.
Full article: https://www.businessinsider.my/military-gov...016-9?r=US&IR=T
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post Mar 22 2020, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(pretty23 @ Mar 22 2020, 11:40 AM)
china said it from US
US said it from china

both super power. so who lie?
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Japanese said from usa
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post Mar 22 2020, 05:49 PM

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let's talk facts and see which one makes more sense.

Originated from China,
1) First case detected in Wuhan.

2) Comes from bats?

3) Wuhan Huanan seafood market did not sell bats (did not find any bats in the price list of the shop that sell wild animal)

4) Transmit from bats to wild animal then to human?

5) Leak from Wuhan P4 Lab?

Originated from US,
1) Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at Army Lab Over Safety Concerns in July 2019.

2) Vaping illness outbreak in US, cases spiked in August 2019 and downtrend since September 2019

3) US Early Flu Season Cases Much Higher Than Average in October 2019

4) US ranked 35th place and got 0 gold medal in Wuhan Military Game. #1 superpower army get 0 gold.

5) Some cases diagnosed as flu are actually COVID-19

Attached for vape illness map vs covid-19 map in US

EVALI
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COVID-19
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post Mar 22 2020, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 22 2020, 02:10 PM)
Checked directly with those PRC locals in several states in China, their country is already free from outbreak, the chemical effects gone after 1 month without fresh US chemical agents attack since lockdown and military tightened checks at all country's entrance/exit. PRC now freely go vacation in the country internal tourist spots. All industries resumed business as usual.

Already started calling all other countries to go lockdown closing their borders including ours. Without fresh chemical attacks, this US made outbreak would end in 1 month after all existing infected being identified and quarantined. For those infected who avoided, they won't prove any danger after certain period. The virus doesn't breed new chemicals so the spread is limited. The G needs to close the border to Singapore as well coz they still let border open to chemical agents
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Yes they already back to business. A day or 2 ago, PRC had 0 new domestic case! Only 40 or so cases from incoming travels LOL. They now entering to PRC because it is the new SAFE HAVEN.

I watched PRC ppl stuff, vlogs, live streams, read Weibo users, etc., for 45+ days or so. They took 45+ days or so to get the "dip down" line. I know how they archived the "dip down" line.

EVERYTHING IS BACK TO BUSINESS IN PRC, except for Hubei, but getting better as days go by. Whatever happens in Hubei, stay in Hubei. Period.

The vid below is one of the BIGGEST idol contests/programs in PRC which aired recently. It was delayed for months since Jan 15 when they first release the preview, trailer and stuff. They resume the recording after the "dip down" line.

They also soon-to-record one more idol contest/programs called Produce Camp 2020, which is also one of the biggest idol contests/programs in PRC... as long as 2nd wave of COVID19 is dead.

SNH48 girls are also back to business with their live stages but without live audience, just to be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb5-dajN2f4dotoyOtIto3Q

You can know the situations in PRC by monitoring/observing their entertainment.



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QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Mar 22 2020, 11:36 AM)
And this was posted on American propaganda website?
Sound dubious to me.

Hello
Those people has been eating bats for centuries.
For centuries, it was not a problem.

Corona definitely is man-made.
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Here's the thing, for centuries already makan, so why now only this virus spread? Why not last year? Why not last 2 year? Why not during ww2?
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QUOTE(TheRant @ Mar 22 2020, 03:27 PM)
Any thinking person would be able to connect the dots.kudos to you.
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That's why we are the red pillers, and not the cuck ass blue pillers.


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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 06:20 PM)
Yes they already back to business. A day or 2 ago, PRC had 0 new domestic case! Only 40 or so cases from incoming travels LOL. They now entering to PRC because it is the new SAFE HAVEN.

I watched PRC ppl stuff, vlogs, live streams, read Weibo users, etc., for 45+ days or so. They took 45+ days or so to get the "dip down" line. I know how they archived the "dip down" line.

EVERYTHING IS BACK TO BUSINESS IN PRC, except for Hubei, but getting better as days go by. Whatever happens in Hubei, stay in Hubei. Period.

The vid below is one of the BIGGEST idol contest/programs in PRC which aired recently. It was delayed for months since Jan 15. It was recorded after the "dip down" line.

They also soon-to-record one more idol contest/programs called Produce Camp 2020, which is also one of the biggest idol contest/programs in PRC... as long as 2nd wave of COVID19 is dead.

SNH48 girls are also back to business with their live stages but without live audience, just to be safe.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb5-dajN2f4dotoyOtIto3Q


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PRC in China are now busy with business, work or travel within country. As long as MY follow the guidelines and strict on all entrance/exit arrivals, this chemical outbreak would end sooner by end of next month. Things going well in Philippines so far based on Malaysians working there. Next will see how the world would look at America.
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Stop being sino apologist or conspiracy theorist.

The virus strain is natural, not man made in a lab which proper scientist reports from proper journals have already concluded. The most important thing right now is to get rid of it.
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interestingly, regardless of finger-pointing here and there. More worried of a 2nd wave bangwall.gif


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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 22 2020, 06:36 PM)
PRC in China are now busy with business, work or travel within country. As long as MY follow the guidelines and strict on all entrance/exit arrivals, this chemical outbreak would end sooner by end of next month. Things going well in Philippines so far based on Malaysians working there. Next will see how the world would look at America.
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Murica gotta give 8 billion of humans an explanation, instead of calling it CT and walk away scot-free.
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QUOTE(N30rang3r @ Mar 22 2020, 06:54 PM)
interestingly, regardless of finger-pointing here and there. More worried of a 2nd wave bangwall.gif


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I REFUSE TO WATCH ANYTHING FROM THAT FALUN GONG CULT CUM FASCISM SHIT.
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QUOTE(pretty23 @ Mar 22 2020, 10:40 AM)
china said it from US
US said it from china

both super power. so who lie?
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can't fully trust any side

but if compare them

personally i have more trust in china's statement against us

huawei case also
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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 06:57 PM)
I REFUSE TO WATCH ANYTHING FROM THAT FALUN GONG CULT CUM FASCISM SHIT.
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QUOTE(bansai @ Mar 22 2020, 06:47 PM)
Stop being sino apologist or conspiracy theorist.

The virus strain is natural, not man made in a lab which proper scientist reports from proper journals have already concluded. The most important thing right now is to get rid of it.
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i dun think TS meant this thread to be about questioning if it is a man made or bioweapon of any kind.

more to do with where is the origin of this natural virus... an accident, unintended consequence, transported elsewhere?

if the truth is known, it should be easier and faster for the scientists to find a vaccine or cure.

at this time, nobody is definitively where it originated - the ancestral strain that passed from animal to humans,

heck, we don't even know which ANIMAL!
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Should starts investigation papers on those mega conglomerate manufacturer(s) of GMO crops?
Bats are reservoir of deadly transmittable viruses, bats daily diet is fruits, flowers.
Investigate farms cultivating GMO crops?
Remembered how mad-cow disease originated?
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More juicy stuff, courtesy of Bill Gates Foundation.

The Coronavirus PATENT is owned by the Pirbright Institute
https://www.facebook.com/va.shiva.ayyadurai...43411582382008/ (lots of 'funny' comments there)

Here's info on the four groups of coronavirus, from Patent 10,130,701 B2 (issued 11/20/18). From what I am understanding, this is probably the patent it falls under. Per Claim 1 & Claim 15.
Coronaviruses are divided into four groups, as shown below:

▪️Alpha:
Canine coronavirus (CCoV)
Feline coronavirus (FeCoV)
Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)
Porcine epidemic diarrhoea virus (PEDV)
Transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV)
Human Coronavirus NL63 (NL or New Haven)

▪️Beta:
Bovine coronavirus (BCoV)
Canine respiratory coronavirus (CRCoV)—Common in SE Asia and Micronesia
Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)
Mouse hepatitis virus (MHV)
Porcine haemagglutinating encephalomyelitis virus (HEV)
Rat coronavirus (Roy). Rat Coronavirus is quite prevalent in Eastern Australia where, as of March/April 2008, it has been found among native and feral rodent colonies.
(No common name as of yet) (HCoV-HKU1)
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV)
Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV)

▪️Gamma:
Infectious bronchitis virus (IBV)
Turkey coronavirus (Bluecomb disease virus)
Pheasant coronavirus
Guinea fowl coronavirus

▪️Delta:
Bulbul coronavirus (BuCoV)
Thrush coronavirus (ThCoV)
Munia coronavirus (MuCoV)
Porcine coronavirus (PorCov) HKU15
https://www.facebook.com/va.shiva.ayyadurai...843458172377349

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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 22 2020, 06:57 PM)
I REFUSE TO WATCH ANYTHING FROM THAT FALUN GONG CULT CUM FASCISM SHIT.
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Extremists religious separatists, corrupted Taiwan president Tsai and those jilat US masterace would always spread lies on PRC backed by US. Even many K idiots here that jilat US can't stop spread lies and believe all those fake news when they could directly ask those in Wuhan and neighbouring states PRC people with WeChat, QQ, Weibo, etc. They probably did and knew China already cleared and still attack China out of own personal hatred.

The 2nd wave will only happen if US created new batch of Covid19 to release. However, the world is already on alert and for US to do so would only end up being caught red handed. Embargo might be slapped on US if convicted and red dawn might happen to America left isolated by the world succumbed into serious economy collapse and they'll be hit with poverty.
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iran is rubbing it in...

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3:34 pm: Iran’s supreme leader suggests coronavirus ‘created in America’
Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called the U.S. offer to help Iran contain its coronavirus spread “strange” and referred to “suspicions” of the virus originating in the U.S. in a televised speech Sunday.

“Several times Americans have offered to help Iran to contain the virus,” he said in a translation provided by Reuters. “Aside from the fact that there are suspicions about this virus being created by America ... their offer is strange since they face shortages in their fight against the virus. Iran has the capability to overcome any kind of crisis including coronavirus outbreak.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/22/coronavirus...st-updates.html

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So far what they know is the certain bat species has 88% genome same as the current pandemic virus. Pangolin is the suspected incubator before cross infecting human. But no proven yet.

China claims the virus genome they have from the virus now is considered as 3rd generation, they asking where the 2nd and 1st generation, which is the virus 0 originated from.
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Spanish Flu from France/US..

Its doesn't matter..

Virus mutates itself from time to time it will jump from animal to humans, it can happen anywhere anytime.
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Why dafuq u even care about botak jilat ccp?
Now what more important is vaccine will be coming from where n when. Stop being a detective and viruslogis
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i dont believe the virus is originated from both p4 labs and usa, if its accidental leak from lab, the lab that do this kind of dangerous research should not be in the middle of china, will be in remote area.

if its from usa, then usa should expect the virus will spread back to them, if they dont have a way to handle it, means its not them too.
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no it does not come form the USA; this is not an engineered virus like the Anthrax strain that killed 60 in the Soviet union a few decades ago. this is simply a mutation from a species of corona that normally will infect bats;

these corona, that are species that give rabbits diarrhoea, there are species that make dogs have chest infections etc
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QUOTE(rinsedpie @ Mar 23 2020, 05:19 AM)
no it does not come form the USA; this is not an engineered virus like the Anthrax strain that killed 60 in the Soviet union a few decades ago. this is simply a mutation from a species of corona that normally will infect bats;

these corona, that are species that give rabbits diarrhoea, there are species that make dogs have chest infections etc
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Why dafuq u even care about botak jilat ccp?
Now what more important is vaccine will be coming from where n when. Stop being a detective and viruslogis
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if you know who made the virus,

you'll know who is keeping the vaccines smile.gif
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Italian expert: special pneumonia symptoms exist in October in Italy
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-23/Itali...n8dy/index.html

Coronavirus: ‘strange pneumonia’ seen in Lombardy in November, leading Italian doctor says
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/art...ovember-leading





#MadeInUSA
#AmericanVirus
#USAVirus

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The 'early version' of coronavirus (strange pneumonia or unknown pneumonia or whatever f you like to call it) went to Italy via US military bases. And then comes the Wuhan Military Games 2019.

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Even if the virus originated from US due to poor contamination, it is still not a intentional spread.

I'm pretty sure China resort to this because of the discrimination that ongoing against China and Chinese people all around the globe.

No one knows where virus is from, they can only speculate. Usually you would point fingers at the country that reported the first case as the culprit.
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japan says the olympics is cursed. china fabricates and blames the US. trump gets offended and disses china.

or perhaps this is a case of occams razor.

perhaps putting exotic animals so close together in a market is a zoonotic virus transfer waiting to happen......


question is were lessons learned? or will they continue to allow markets that made such a thing happen, happen again? >_>; ......


maybe we can learn from history about the spanish flu and know to deal with the corona problem we have now to some extent




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The horseshoe bats virus got into the pangolins in China.

Poachers in China capture infected pangolins and sell them to the market in Wuhan.

Pangolins meat traders slaughter live infected pangolins infront everyone because they WANT it FRESH!
And.. we got blood splatters everywhere and droplets got into one of them.

Days later... we got the WUHAN Virus (namely so, by the Chinese OWN media).

ICTV officially name it SARS-CoV-2 weeks later.

It's just as simple as that.. biggrin.gif

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a big flaw that I notice is from the marching of the US rep personnel, in the video of Wuhan Military Games 2019.
I can clearly notice they are like some US homeless people handpick and sent Wuhan!!
Marching of an US main cinchai-cinchai aje, what a humiliating disgusting joke, isn't it already a big red flag whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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28:13
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QUOTE(pattleongkam @ Mar 25 2020, 11:15 AM)
a big flaw that I notice is from the marching of the US rep personnel, in the video of Wuhan Military Games 2019.
I can clearly notice they are like some US homeless people handpick and sent Wuhan!!
Marching of an US main cinchai-cinchai aje, what a humiliating disgusting joke, isn't it already a big red flag whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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wheres that video, i wanna see it
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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Mar 25 2020, 12:30 PM)

28:13
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damn, where is the US army team? too long for me to watch
do you have the timestamp for them?
i read up there that their delegation was like, poor
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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 24 2020, 12:47 AM)
The 'early version' of coronavirus (strange pneumonia or unknown pneumonia or whatever f you like to call it) went to Italy via US military bases. And then comes the Wuhan Military Games 2019.
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i dont buy that, do you?
a lot of atypical pneumonias in any winter anyway
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QUOTE(rinsedpie @ Mar 25 2020, 02:22 PM)
damn, where is the US army team? too long for me to watch
do you have the timestamp for them?
i read up there that their delegation was like, poor
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Read properly, that 28:13 below YT video

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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Mar 25 2020, 12:30 PM)

28:13
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QUOTE(rinsedpie @ Mar 25 2020, 02:22 PM)
damn, where is the US army team? too long for me to watch
do you have the timestamp for them?
i read up there that their delegation was like, poor
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member already state the time line so clealy still you can miss it..

is start at 28:07 to 28:39

hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Mar 25 2020, 02:59 PM)
Read properly, that 28:13 below YT video
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its obvious sometimes some people wanna see what people wanna see!!!

just like my usual quote under the spoiler... bangwall.gif bangwall.gif bangwall.gif

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


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There was a simulation on how to handle a pandemic done few weeks before the outbreak happened.

It is run by:
Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in collaboration with the
World Economic Forum and the
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation


What interest me is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation as Bill Gates has been the in the fore front of world depopulation by vaccinating the whole world.
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QUOTE(pattleongkam @ Mar 25 2020, 03:01 PM)
member already state the time line so clealy still you can miss it..

is start at 28:07 to 28:39

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ah saw that now; hmm rather disjointed bunch arent they
surprising that they were from the Armed Forces of a proud country such as the US of A biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pattleongkam @ Mar 25 2020, 03:01 PM)
member already state the time line so clealy still you can miss it..

is start at 28:07 to 28:39

hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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ah saw that now; hmm rather disjointed bunch arent they
surprising that they were from the Armed Forces of a proud country such as the US of A biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Mar 25 2020, 02:59 PM)
Read properly, that 28:13 below YT video
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cool, spotted that now
shabby bunch, by their proud standards
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No matter where the virus origin from, now is who can quickly come-up with the cure medicine first.
Expert still say need 18 months to test safe woh!! what ? they want more ppl to die, is it ? ranting.gif
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https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/10...propaganda.html
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QUOTE(MakcikLum @ Mar 26 2020, 05:07 AM)
No matter where the virus origin from, now is who can quickly come-up with the cure medicine first.
Expert still say need 18 months to test safe woh!! what ? they want more ppl to die, is it ?  ranting.gif
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Pakai otak can or not.
Dont know procedure dont bark like fb aunties
Hiv took 20 years only came out a supressant.
3 phase testing.
U think 1 plus 1 isit?
If the vaccine rush out, cause mutation deathrate from 1% to 20% how?

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QUOTE(MakcikLum @ Mar 26 2020, 05:07 AM)
No matter where the virus origin from, now is who can quickly come-up with the cure medicine first.
Expert still say need 18 months to test safe woh!! what ? they want more ppl to die, is it ?  ranting.gif
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They have sets of protocols to follow and do clinical trials on animal then only human. No easy straightforward, different blood types, races, age groups, target groups, etc. Side effects? What if accidentally allow virus to mutate on vaccinated person? That wold be the end game... Not to mention the vaccine methodology, use which part of the virus proteins or mimic it as the subject?
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Vaccine research can sometimes need 15 years or more....if the vaccine fail if premature release then it is possible the virus mutation into sometimes scarier than now.

No, it did not come from china... Otherwise usa will detected it first, and spread twice the size of china. China propaganda, they want to delete from history.
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Ok, I got it !! here all US supporters, I shut up & wait for 15 years, & thousand ppl to die everyday world wide !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Coronavirus: Pangolins found to carry related strains

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52048195


Smuggled pangolins have been found to carry viruses closely related to the one sweeping the world.

Scientists say the sale of the animals in wildlife markets should be strictly prohibited to minimise the risk of future outbreaks.

Pangolins are the most-commonly illegally trafficked mammal, used both as food and in traditional medicine.

In research published in the journal Nature, researchers say handling these animals requires "caution".

And they say further surveillance of wild pangolins is needed to understand their role in the risk of future transmission to humans.

Lead researcher Dr Tommy Lam of The University of Hong Kong said two groups of coronaviruses related to the virus behind the human pandemic have been identified in Malayan pangolins smuggled into China.

"Although their role as the intermediate host of the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak remains to be confirmed, sale of these wild animals in wet markets should be strictly prohibited to avoid future zoonotic [animal to human] transmission," he told BBC News

Exactly how the virus jumped from a wild animal, presumably a bat, to another animal and then humans remains a mystery. The horseshoe bat and the pangolin have both been implicated, but the precise sequence of events is unknown.

Finding the virus in smuggled Malayan pangolins raised the question of where they contracted the virus, said Dr Lam. Was it from bats along the trafficking route to China or in their native habitats in Southeast Asia?
Calls to end illegal wildlife trade

Conservationists say it would be devastating if the discovery led to further persecution of the endangered mammal. The animal's scales are in high demand for use in traditional Chinese medicine, while pangolin meat is considered a delicacy.

"This is the time for the international community to pressure their governments to end illegal wildlife trade," said Elisa Panjang of Cardiff University, a pangolin conservation officer at the Danau Girang Field Centre in Malaysia.

China has moved to ban the consumption of meat from wild animals in the wake of the outbreak. Similar moves are being considered in Vietnam.

Prof Andrew Cunningham of Zoological Society of London (ZSL) said it was important not to jump to conclusions from the paper. "The source of the detected coronavirus really is unknown - it might have been a natural pangolin virus or have jumped from another species between capture and death."

And Dr Dan Challender, of the University of Oxford, said pangolins are known to host various strains of coronaviruses. "Identifying the source of SARS-CoV-2 is important to understand the emergence of the current pandemic, and in preventing similar events in the future," he said.
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Mar 27 2020, 09:29 AM)
Coronavirus: Pangolins found to carry related strains

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there were many articles on this some weeks back.

i can't remember (or understand all of it) but i think current studies point to:

bats-> pangolins or snakes-> xxx -> humans ->humans

xxx has yet to be identified.

becos chinese and int'l scientists still cannot find this xxx, it is not completely proven that covid19 originated in wuhan/hubei.

it is possible that xxx was something from somewhere else that was brought by a hunter or farmer or visitor from somewhere else.

that's what i understand from these two articles first posted by beastx; no further updates i know of.

enjoy reading:

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4899131/+100?hl=beastx#bottom
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Mar 5 2020, 02:51 PM)
Not quite.... as I mentioned, Ebola also evolved to be less deadly...

Also human intervention/quarantine have also shifted the viral (population variant) selection to the less potent of the 2 initial strains (S over L, being less deadly has a greater chance to escape detection).

Reference journal paper:
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Mar 5 2020, 04:19 PM)
Evidence: Closes genome similarity to coronavirus isolated from Bats in China....
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/min...break-s-origins

Genomics and Epidemiology points to the Wuhan origin....
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People love conspiracy theory biggrin.gif

I shall ask who first came up with this theory? to me it just seems like some Chinese made things up trying to deny virus came from China sweat.gif
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10 questions for the U.S.: Where did the novel coronavirus come from?
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IMO, It's the battle of ideology, not race.

It's CCP vs the rest of the world free democracy.

You don't see Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau said the conspiracy nonsense.

They said it's the damn Communists from Mainland China..wild propaganda and mind control media saying rubbish. biggrin.gif

Again, the CCP admits first... it came from WUHAN! Their own city.. no else did.

Now, because everyone looking at them, they backtrack. tongue.gif
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What strain in malaysia? Less deadly than Italian?
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Mar 28 2020, 04:14 AM)
IMO, It's the battle of ideology, not race.

It's CCP vs the rest of the world free democracy.

You don't see Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau said the conspiracy nonsense.

They said it's the damn Communists from Mainland China..wild propaganda and mind control media saying rubbish.  biggrin.gif

Again, the CCP admits first... it came from WUHAN! Their own city.. no else did.

Now, because everyone looking at them, they backtrack.  tongue.gif
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if an elephant came out from your toilet, you will tell ppl that the elephant came out from your toilet, thats what you see, but what you didnt see is how the elephant get into your toilet.

scientist say the elephant didnt just appeared in your toilet, but just because you said the elephant came out from your toilet 1st, the world have to believe you ?
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Mar 28 2020, 07:38 PM)
if an elephant came out from your toilet, you will tell ppl that the elephant came out from your toilet, thats what you see, but what you didnt see is how the elephant get into your toilet.

scientist say the elephant didnt just appeared in your toilet, but just because you said the elephant came out from your toilet 1st, the world have to believe you ?
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hahaha a very good anal-logy
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hahaha a very good anal-logy
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well, when they cant understand high tech explanation from the scientist, then i try to lower the difficulty lo.
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well, when they cant understand high tech explanation from the scientist, then i try to lower the difficulty lo.
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Patt:
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In your dreams? [Patt shakes his head no]

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Brain Dead people like, in graves? In coffins?

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Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other.
They only see what they want to see.
They don't know they're Braindead.


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The US blames china that they spread this damn virus, on the other hand, China blames the US that this virus comes from the US military.
What's the truth?
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The US blames china that they spread this damn virus, on the other hand, China blames the US that this virus comes from the US military.
What's the truth?
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like this also kena reported.. really butthurt this kaki report!!! laugh.gif

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the truth will reveal itself sooner or later, karmal is at beach
be patience!!!

like this also kena reported.. really butthurt this kaki report!!! laugh.gif
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Be patience? US already destroyed the evidence of "patient zero" in the "vaping illness".

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Who’s behind the COVID-19 global pandemic
"We know that the US has a terrible track record of using biological weapons against populations."
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/03/26/6...global-pandemic

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The US blames china that they spread this damn virus, on the other hand, China blames the US that this virus comes from the US military.
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we now know that this coronavirus doesn't come from bats nor pangolins, that's for sure smile.gif
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

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Virus may have jumped from animal to humans long before the first detection in Wuhan, according to research by an international team of scientists
Findings significantly reduce the possibility of the virus having a laboratory origin, director of the US National Institute of Health says
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Mar 30 2020, 01:04 AM)
we now know that this coronavirus doesn't come from bats nor pangolins, that's for sure smile.gif
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w
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That is merely an opinion piece questioning the origin...
A much more scientific paper (but still a review paper)..:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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That is merely an opinion piece questioning the origin...
A much more scientific paper (but still a review paper)..:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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it says nothing though biggrin.gif
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Usa can go millions if it go uncheck....they got trillion worth of trading. Sane peoples, say not possible from usa... Insane people will believe what china propaganda told them.

They are fakers, and they have no respect for trademark pattern item.
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if an elephant came out from your toilet, you will tell ppl that the elephant came out from your toilet, thats what you see, but what you didnt see is how the elephant get into your toilet.

scientist say the elephant didnt just appeared in your toilet, but just because you said the elephant came out from your toilet 1st, the world have to believe you ?
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Thats very strongly implying that the coronavirus couldn't have come from China since the 'elephant' must have been brought to the 'toilet' which is categorically false.

Thats hiding the fact that China has been breeding elephants to put in its toilets for a while now. China has always been stubbornly refusing to stop illicit trade in wildlife eg. not joining the rest of the world to ban the trade in ivory until 2017 I think, reversing its rhino horn ban, not regulating and cleaning up its own messy wildlife trade. Now China is relying on its propaganda ministry to try to create doubt as to the origins of the virus.

China briefly put some curbs on wildlife trade after the SARS epidemic but quietly lifted it after a while. And now it seems that China will finally have to confront its own 'elephant breeding' problem and put permanent restrictions to clean up its dirty wildlife trade in its own backyard. The world doesn't need trade in pangolins for their supposedly medicinal value for another China born pandemic in the future.

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it says nothing though biggrin.gif
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Seems like you don't understand how science works anthat scientific papers are often more nuanced than a simple conclusion 'yes it definitely came from china'.
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Seems like you don't understand how science works anthat scientific papers are often more nuanced than a simple conclusion 'yes it definitely came from china'.
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This argument will never end

Just like syphilis

Italians called it the French disease and the French called it the Neapolitan disease.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Mar 30 2020, 09:16 AM)
That is merely an opinion piece questioning the origin...
A much more scientific paper (but still a review paper)..:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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Many of the articles posted here claiming these and that are opinion articles also. The only thing that is confirmed is nobody knows what needs to be known about the virus.
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I just watching an Astro documentary Coronavirus: The Silent Killer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCKjwLVPVLw
from Singapore and explained by Dr. Leong Hoe Nami, it was originally from Wuhan with 11 Millions and Hubei with 60 Millions populations before spread around the world before 8 December 2019 and declared by China Government after it become serious on 12 Dec 2019 after they can’t hide the news but the virus has been infected by this populations and travelled around the world before and after 25 Jan 2020 but Trump was bar the entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China on 31 Jan 2020, it was too late coz the traveller from china just returned from holiday and all around the world after CNY.

China cant hide the fact about it and blaming other country due to their cultures killing dogs, cats, bats, snakes, etc for food.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_restri...tbreak#Americas

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business...oronavirus.html

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that's why science is on the losing end of the information war because it is elitist smile.gif
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Not really. It's mainly because anti-intellectualism is strong nowadays. Actually, it's been strong since the beginning.

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Only difference is that now, it's gone beyond the political and cultural spectrum and has now started shitting on science and common sense, mainly thanks to religious zealots, flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers, Trump, Zakir Naik, that holywood actress that sells "energizing" vagina rocks, etc. We're back to the old days where they burned female doctors/midwives, claiming they were witches.

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Mar 31 2020, 07:02 PM)
Not really. It's mainly because anti-intellectualism is strong nowadays. Actually, it's been strong since the beginning.
Only difference is that now, it's gone beyond the political and cultural spectrum and has now started shitting on science and common sense, mainly thanks to religious zealots, flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers, Trump, Zakir Naik, that holywood actress that sells "energizing" vagina rocks, etc.
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you may frame it however you want, but the nett effect is science is losing, unless scientists acknowledges the fact that they fail at communication and engage the experts smile.gif
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you may frame it however you want, but the nett effect is science is losing, unless scientists acknowledges the fact that they fail at communication and engage the experts smile.gif
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That has never been the scientist's job. It's been the media's.
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That has never been the scientist's job. It's been the media's.
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the media doesn't care about science, they care more about ratings. Still is the failure of scientists smile.gif
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the media doesn't care about science, they care more about ratings. Still is the failure of scientists smile.gif
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How is it a failure of scientists when the media reporting them doesn't communicate the results they present properly? If anything, it's our failure as the people consuming the media. We've lost the ability to form our own informed opinion, which leads back to the media and their disinformation (whether politically or financially motivated), not the scientists.

The WHO has, from the very beginning, expressed the unprecedented danger Covid-19 presents. They expressed it in plain, simple English that any translation software wouldn't have problems with. The media were too busy to care, trying to create conspiracy theories instead. People couldn't differentiate and continued their social kissing greetings, rave parties, football matches, political rallies, masses, tablighs, and now we're in this mess.

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QUOTE(G-17 @ Mar 31 2020, 07:22 PM)
How is it a failure of scientists when the media reporting them doesn't communicate the results properly? If anything, it's our failure as the people consuming the media. We've lost the ability to form our own informed opinion, which leads back to the media and their disinformation (whether politically or financially motivated), not the scientists.

The WHO has, from the very beginning, expressed the unprecedented danger Covid-19 presents. The media were too busy trying to create conspiracy theories. People couldn't differentiate and continued their social kissing greetings, rave parties, political rallies, masses, tablighs, and now we're in this mess.
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that's why i say this is a net failure. Scientists must buck up their game to win over the media. If science cannot help humanity, then science is useless smile.gif
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QUOTE(atilla @ Mar 31 2020, 11:10 AM)
Thats very strongly implying that the coronavirus couldn't have come from China since the 'elephant' must have been brought to the 'toilet' which is categorically false.

Thats hiding the fact that China has been breeding elephants to put in its toilets for a while now. China has always been stubbornly refusing to stop illicit trade in wildlife eg. not joining the rest of the world to ban the trade in ivory until 2017 I think, reversing its rhino horn ban, not regulating and cleaning up its own messy wildlife trade. Now China is relying on its propaganda ministry to try to create doubt as to the origins of the virus.

China briefly put some curbs on wildlife trade after the SARS epidemic but quietly lifted it after a while. And now it seems that China will finally have to confront its own 'elephant breeding' problem and put permanent restrictions to clean up its dirty wildlife trade in its own backyard. The world doesn't need trade in pangolins for their supposedly medicinal value for another China born pandemic in the future.
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Well since china want the world scientist to investigate the elephant, if its from the toilet, the scientist will eventually find out its from the toilet, stop talking about other irrelevant bamboo trees, they have no direct relation to that elephant, china has that bamboo tree problem, but its the same for all other country, they have their problem, ie japan killing dolphin, usa permit hunting of wild animal for fun, even malaysia is not all innocent when you really want to talk about irrelevant things(i dont want to offend certain ppl so i dont want to give example), china is not perfect, so is the world, when you want china to be perfect, you have to be more than perfect 1st.
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Mar 31 2020, 11:02 AM)
Not really. It's mainly because anti-intellectualism is strong nowadays.
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Yes its a shame that Malaysia can't boast of a truly well educated middle class. The internet age really exposed the bunch who believe in half baked conspiracy theories and fake news followers.
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Mar 31 2020, 12:17 PM)
Well since china want the world scientist to investigate the elephant, if its from the toilet, the scientist will eventually find out its from the toilet, stop talking about other irrelevant bamboo trees, they have no direct relation to that elephant, china has that bamboo tree problem, but its the same for all other country, they have their problem, ie japan killing dolphin, usa permit hunting of wild animal for fun, even malaysia is not all innocent when you really want to talk about irrelevant things(i dont want to offend certain ppl so i dont want to give example), china is not perfect, so is the world, when you want china to be perfect, you have to be more than perfect 1st.
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China refused to allow access to outside investigators like the WHO or US CDC early on during the outbreak of the Wuhan virus and expelled 2 WSJ journalists because the CCP wanted to spin the news. Hardly the sort of attitude for a country that is supposedly so open to wanting the world to investigate the Wuhan virus.

China has bad track record of starting bird/human flu pandemics through unhealthy practices in farming/wildlife trade - 1996 H5N1 avian flu, 2002 SARS, 2003 Fujian flu, 2013 H7N9, 2020 COVID19. No other country in the world has this track record of internal/international epidemics or created as much havoc. Ending the illicit wildlife trade is a long overdue first step for China, the world doesn't need a SARS-3.

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QUOTE(atilla @ Apr 1 2020, 06:19 PM)
China refused to allow access to outside investigators like the WHO or US CDC early on during the outbreak of the Wuhan virus and expelled 2 WSJ journalists because the CCP wanted to spin the news. Hardly the sort of attitude for a country that is supposedly so open to wanting the world to investigate the Wuhan virus.

China has bad track record of starting bird/human flu pandemics through unhealthy practices in farming/wildlife trade - 1996 H5N1 avian flu, 2002 SARS, 2003 Fujian flu, 2013 H7N9, 2020 COVID19. No other country in the world has this track record of internal/international epidemics or created as much havoc. Ending the illicit wildlife trade is a long overdue first step for China, the world doesn't need a SARS-3.
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more bamboo trees, so we are no longer talking about elephant from toilet anymore.

it is the same for every country, just like WHO want to investigate the flu death or suspicious death, do u think USA will allow it ? NO, its clearly double or triple standard, USA will use any reason to reject it, while no matter what reason gave by china, USA will still not satisfy.

China is the worst ? seriously ?

do u know about spanish flu ? i suggest you dig it out, then compare to coronavirus, assuming coronavirus can kill another 10x more ppl. its still not as close as that.

https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-cal...the-spanish-flu

if you dont believe my link, go search your own, make sure read multiple sites.
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It is reported that Wuhan patient zero is Sergeant Maatje Benassi from the US Military Cycling Team who attended the CISM Military World Games in Wuhan on Oct 2019. Her husband Benny Benassi is Holland's patient zero who is also a cyclist in the US Armed Forces (SPAWAR).

In July 2019 a bioweapon lab at Fort Detrick was shut down over leaks. The Fort Detrick laboratory handles high-level disease-causing material. It was shut after the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a cease and desist order to the organization. The lab, which was closed since July 2019, recently caught public attention as a petition submitted to the White House website on March 10 listed some coincidences in time between the closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.

A large-scale 'influenza' killed more than 10,000 people in the US in August 2019 following the closure.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Robert Redfield acknowledged that some flu patients in USA may have been misdiagnosed and actually had corona virus.

News reports about the closure of Fort Detrick were deleted amid the worsening COVID-19 pandemic, raising suspicions over the lab's relationship with the novel coronavirus. US government never disclose the real reason for the lab's closure and to clarify whether the lab was related to the novel coronavirus and whether there was a virus leak.

https://youtu.be/_jZzAAqo1t0

https://youtu.be/OvLHoSCkfEI

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It is reported that Wuhan patient zero is Sergeant Maatje Benassi from the US Military Cycling Team who attended the CISM Military World Games in Wuhan on Oct 2019. Her husband Benny Benassi is Holland's patient zero who is also a cyclist in the US Armed Forces (SPAWAR).

In July 2019 a bioweapon lab at Fort Detrick was shut down over leaks. The Fort Detrick laboratory handles high-level disease-causing material. It was shut after the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a cease and desist order to the organization. The lab, which was closed since July 2019, recently caught public attention as a petition submitted to the White House website on March 10 listed some coincidences in time between the closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.

A large-scale 'influenza' killed more than 10,000 people in the US in August 2019 following the closure.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) director Robert Redfield acknowledged that some flu patients in USA may have been misdiagnosed and actually had corona virus.

News reports about the closure of Fort Detrick were deleted amid the worsening COVID-19 pandemic, raising suspicions over the lab's relationship with the novel coronavirus. US government never disclose the real reason for the lab's closure and to clarify whether the lab was related to the novel coronavirus and whether there was a virus leak.


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Greenpeace guys say the virus came from mother nature
Trump gang say its from China/Wuhan
PRC say it from US experiment
Religious fan say it from GODs
Vegetarian claim its from eating meat
X-file ppl claims it created by higher intelligent liform
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Apr 1 2020, 11:17 AM)
more bamboo trees, so we are no longer talking about elephant from toilet anymore.

it is the same for every country, just like WHO want to investigate the flu death or suspicious death, do u think USA will allow it ? NO, its clearly double or triple standard, USA will use any reason to reject it, while no matter what reason gave by china, USA will still not satisfy.

China is the worst ? seriously ?
do u know about spanish flu ? i suggest you dig it out, then compare to coronavirus, assuming coronavirus can kill another 10x more ppl. its still not as close as that.
https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-cal...the-spanish-flu
if you dont believe my link, go search your own, make sure read multiple sites.
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No you are making things up again. You have no examples to give about the US or any other democratic western country barring entry to WHO health investigators.
Wuhan China is the origin of the worldwide coronavirus epidemic and the Chinese govt refused to allow access to CDC/WHO in Feb and wasted weeks before allowing a joint mission. China did the exact same thing when SARS happened and tried to cover it up even more and longer.

The Spanish flu happened a long time ago in 1918 whereas China has had a recent string of epidemics from its farming/wildlife industry, even Chinese citizens don't trust the safety of their food.
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No you are making things up again. You have no examples to give about the US or any other democratic western country barring entry to WHO health investigators.
Wuhan China is the origin of the worldwide coronavirus epidemic and the Chinese govt refused to allow access to CDC/WHO in Feb and wasted weeks before allowing a joint mission. China did the exact same thing when SARS happened and tried to cover it up even more and longer.

The Spanish flu happened a long time ago in 1918 whereas China has had a recent string of epidemics from its farming/wildlife industry, even Chinese citizens don't trust the safety of their food.
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what makes you think the whole world is on the same time line ? usa has been 1st world country for so many years, and 40 years ago china was still a 3rd world country, far below malaysia.

and you comparing china with what ? your imagination ? when you say somebody is bad, you need to find somebody good and compare with him, when you cannot find a good example, then u cant say hes bad.

again why you drag into food ? its CCP responsible for food safety ? i guess the next will be eating dogs, scammers, copy, clone thing like that ...
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what makes you think the whole world is on the same time line ? usa has been 1st world country for so many years, and 40 years ago china was still a 3rd world country, far below malaysia.

and you comparing china with what ? your imagination ? when you say somebody is bad, you need to find somebody good and compare with him, when you cannot find a good example, then u cant say hes bad.

again why you drag into food ? its CCP responsible for food safety ? i guess the next will be eating dogs, scammers, copy, clone thing like that ...
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You're not making any sense at all. Just trying to avoid having a reasonable discussion after I showed that everything you have said is wrong.

I brought up food safety issue because zoonotic diseases like SARS/H5N1/COVID is one side effect from a unhygenic agricultural industry.
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QUOTE(atilla @ Apr 4 2020, 10:27 PM)
You're not making any sense at all. Just trying to avoid having a reasonable discussion after I showed that everything you have said is wrong.

I brought up food safety issue because zoonotic diseases like SARS/H5N1/COVID is one side effect from a unhygenic agricultural industry.
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well, we dont agree on each other's so called proof.

you provided so called proof are from western media, they know nothing about science. they claim virus is from food or leaked from p4 lab, the only proof they able to provide is the virus exploded in china, and china was hiding some facts at beginning.

i believe more on the china side story, cause they are from scientist, at least they dont just blame, they point out a few things that scientist able to proof, scientist believe that, but western media completely ignore them.


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well, we dont agree on each other's so called proof.

you provided so called proof are from western media, they know nothing about science. they claim virus is from food or leaked from p4 lab, the only proof they able to provide is the virus exploded in china, and china was hiding some facts at beginning.

i believe more on the china side story, cause they are from scientist, at least they dont just blame, they point out a few things that scientist able to proof, scientist believe that, but western media completely ignore them.
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?? You're not making any sense here. I was only trying to have a logical discussion. For your part, the discussion never went into 'proofs' or used used credible scientific sources.

All I did was call out your analogy about an elephant in a toilet.
I also brought up China's overly secretive behavior about hiding the outbreak early and disallowing outside investigators. Then you lied and said the US did the same thing, and when I called you out on that, you changed your argument into something about China being one of those 3rd world countries.
I pointed out that China has been the source for recent string of blird flu epidemics, you responded by bringing up the 1918 Spanish flu.
When I pointed out that China's poorly regulated unhygenic wet markets and illicit wildlife trade are breeding grounds for cross infection for animal diseases like the bird flu, your reply was nonsensical and went into dog eating.

Since you brought up dog eating. China has a draft law in place to ban dog and cat eating to help curb future outbreaks of novel animal to human diseases.
https://www.dw.com/en/china-pushes-draft-la...tock/a-53079433
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QUOTE(atilla @ Apr 10 2020, 11:41 PM)
?? You're not making any sense here. I was only trying to have a logical discussion. For your part, the discussion never went into 'proofs' or used used credible scientific sources.

All I did was call out your analogy about an elephant in a toilet.
I also brought up China's overly secretive behavior about hiding the outbreak early and disallowing outside investigators. Then you lied and said the US did the same thing, and when I called you out on that, you changed your argument into something about China being one of those 3rd world countries.
I pointed out that China has been the source for recent string of blird flu epidemics, you responded by bringing up the 1918 Spanish flu.
When I pointed out that China's poorly regulated unhygenic wet markets and illicit wildlife trade are breeding grounds for cross infection for animal diseases like the bird flu, your reply was nonsensical and went into dog eating.

Since you brought up dog eating. China has a draft law in place to ban dog and cat eating to help curb future outbreaks of novel animal to human diseases.
https://www.dw.com/en/china-pushes-draft-la...tock/a-53079433
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no i didnt change my stand, usa lies about the numbers, so usa did the same thing, usa lies about face mask, so usa is nothing better than china in term of how evil they are. and what proof do you have when i say something u call it lies and when u say something, it need not to be proven ?

then why you can point to bird flu, i cant point to spanish flu ? your finger is golden ? u can point, i cant ?


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?? You're not making any sense here. I was only trying to have a logical discussion. For your part, the discussion never went into 'proofs' or used used credible scientific sources.

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go read this latest Researchers news from UK(should be reliable by your standard!!!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4940759


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Researchers who mapped some of the original spread of coronavirus in humans have discovered there are variants of the virus throughout the world.

They reconstructed the early evolutionary paths of Covid-19 as infection spread from Wuhan, China, out to Europe and North America.

By analysing the first 160 complete virus genomes to be sequenced from human patients, scientists found the variant closest to that discovered in bats was largely found in patients from the US and Australia, not Wuhan.

Dr Peter Forster, geneticist and lead author from the University of Cambridge, said: ‘There are too many rapid mutations to neatly trace a Covid-19 family tree.

We used a mathematical network algorithm to visualise all the plausible trees simultaneously. ‘

These techniques are mostly known for mapping the movements of prehistoric human populations through DNA.

We think this is one of the first times they have been used to trace the infection routes of a coronavirus like Covid-19.’

The team used data from samples taken from across the world between December 24, 2019 and March 4, 2020.

They found three distinct, but closely related, variants of Covid-19, which they called A, B and C.

Researchers found that the closest type of coronavirus to the one discovered in bats – type A, the original human virus genome – was present in Wuhan, but was not the city’s predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of A were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

Wuhan’s major virus type was B and was prevalent in patients from across east Asia, however it didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations.

The team used data from samples taken from across the world between December 24, 2019 and March 4, 2020.

The researchers say the C variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England.

The analysis also suggests one of the earliest introductions of the virus into Italy came via the first documented German infection on January 27, and that another early Italian infection route was related to a ‘Singapore cluster’.

It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea. Scientists argue their methods could be applied to the very latest coronavirus genome sequencing to help predict future global hotspots of disease transmission and surge.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/coronavirus-...uid?ito=cbshare
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Here is the scientific research paper on which this news article is based.

It is by PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)

Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
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Here is the scientific research paper on which this news article is based.

It is by PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)

Phylogenetic network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
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Coronavirus Death in California Came Weeks Before First Known U.S. Death
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coron...ates-death.html
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Army lab fights coronavirus and its own demons (March 26, 2020)
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/26/army-la...its-own-demons/
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U.S. mayor claims he contracted COVID-19 in November
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-05/U-S-m...zjIQ/index.html


U.S. mayor: I was gravely ill in November into December
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-07/U-S-m...Fx72/index.html


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many angmohasslicker will said is fake news especially from CGTN news...!!!
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The US, Anglo-Zio empires, Zionists, cabals, The Five Eyes, etc., are crafting something nasty for everyone... including depopulation and human experiments.

THEY ARE FCKING OUT OF THEIR MINDS.

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^ The US, Anglo-Zio empires, Zionists, cabals, The Five Eyes, etc., are crafting something nasty for everyone... including depopulation and human experiments.

THEY ARE FCKING OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
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yeah !!!

a bit from diff point of view, we humans are becoming a kind of pesticides infesting the earth till its last .. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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How a Trump media dump mainstreamed Chinese lab coronavirus conspiracy theory

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/20/trump-me...rus-conspiracy/
https://archive.is/aa9p4
http://www.facts.org.cn/Reports/World/2020...430_7249416.htm
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My take.

Covid19 Strain A probably started in USA. They covered it up or they were ignorant about it , I don't know. They just lumped it together with the normal flu cases, and did nothing about it.

After that it was brought to other countries, including China. In China the virus mutated to strain B. It was China who first took notice of this strange virus, and reported it. First to report doesn't mean it is responsible.
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China and America WW3 in worming up !!!

The warning lights and the alarm bells have been going off for some time now. It is well established that there would be some conflict or a deterioration of relationships between the two powers. Around 2009 it was unmistakable and this prompted some firm policy adjustments in America; in Washington DC.

President Obama believed that this kind of global realignment was a natural historical progression. He argued that while America might “sunset” in various areas, China could be “managed” in such a way as to derive a kind of “partnership” where both the United States and China would win and profit in a kind of “give and take” international relationship.

For a while, it appeared that the Thucydides Trap was avoided.

But then…

Donald Trump ran for President. His policy platform was MAGA, which means “Make America Great Again”. His chief rival target was China and he pledged to [1] bring back American jobs (from China), [2] stop the dependence on imported products (from China), to [3] rebuild and increase the size of the military, and [4] re-work and realign relationships with other nations for American self-interest.

Sound familiar?

Once Hitler came to power he wanted to make Germany great again. His chief villains were the Jews. And his actions were all about eradicating the Jewish treat to Germany.

It's not that I am equating Trump with Hitler. That meme is so 2015. It's just that all nationalistic movements require an enemy to galvanize the people against. In the 1930's it was the "Jews against Germany".

Today it is China against America.
So Trump is in office, and he’s realigning all sorts of issues into his vision for the “perfect” world order.

Americans, tired of the social and economic onslaught and minimizing behavior of their leadership for the last three decades flocked to him. They attended rallies where he would proclaim that he would make America great again, put Hillary Clinton behind bars, and bring jobs back to America.

He won the election.

Once taking over the reins of power, he staffed his administration with “neocons”, individuals with a particularly warlike views and ideas.

Basically a word synonymous to names like John Bolton, Pompeo, Dick Cheney, Elliott Abrams, Robert Lighthizer, Peter Navarro etc. A small, but constant clique in the US administration that is responsible for most of the recent US military invasions around the globe. To quote neocon Pompeo: 'I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole'

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In sort order, once he won the 2016 election, he immediately, from day one, started his program of MAGA. He did not waste time. He did not pause. he did not relax.

America was (from the top down) full-on MAGA.

Key to that program was the suppression of China. Much of which involved actions and activities that were NOT reported in the American press.

January 2017
Donald Trump “hit the ground running”. He wasted no time in building up his team, staffing it with aggressive neocons and working on a strategy to suppress China. It’s an implementation of his campaign promises; Make America Great Again.

Unlike President Obama, Donald Trump embraced (or fell into) the Thucydides Trap.

The goals were simple;

Reclaim American “greatness” in all fields, in all areas.
Establish dominance in the Geo-political arena.
Suppress China in such a way that they would always be “under the control or authority” of the United States.
Do whatever is necessary to accomplish the above.
In so doing there were some issues that needed to be addressed and some resources that he had access to.

Outstanding Issues
There were things that China was involved in that were threatening the level of control that America had over China. Trump needed to collapse or mitigate those issues quickly. If he did not, China’s rise would pass the point of no-return. In the collective minds of the neocons, it was now or never.

The primary issues at stake were…

Relationships in Africa. China was building relationships based on jobs, trade, and social improvements. The time-honored American technique of providing wads of cash to third-world dictators was no longer effective. This was giving China unique mineral and resource access, that America was denied.
Belt and Road Initiative. As long as the only way that China could maintain trade was via the sea-lanes, the United States could threaten the sea-lanes and completely collapse the ability of China to conduct trade. This threat has been real and substantive. The Belt and Road Initiative would be a land trade route. Completely bypassing the sea-lane trade routes, and rendering the American Naval threat moot.
Taiwan. Taiwan is a client state of China. Yet the American media presents it as an independent nation in the hopes that once China is weak, an American invasion of Taiwan can occur. The reason why this is so critical is that the United States needs a “safe haven” from whence to launch ground forces. Taiwan is the perfect staging location. Make no mistake, an invasion of China is a long-term dream of the neocon cabal.
Hong Kong. Hong Kong is a financial and technical hub, not to mention a gateway to the rest of Asia. As long as Hong Kong is stable, Europe will continue to conduct business with China. Therefore creating a unstable Hong Kong would effective disentangle Europe from China.
The Plan
Work on a plan to suppress China, for certain, was formulated prior to President Trump’s inauguration.

No one knows the true extent of the planning, or any details of the discussions involved. However, we can pretty much recognize that the people who helped formulate this war-suppression-strategy were…

Donald Trump
Mike Pompeo
John Bolton
Robert Lighthizer
Rudy Giuliani
Nikki Haley
James Woolsey
Frank Gaffney
Eliot Cohen
All of these people advocate for military intervention to accomplish United States objectives.

The only snag in their desires is military. You see, the thing is that every single simulation where the American military tries to take on China, the United States loses. Often, depending on the scenario, quite badly. They cannot ignore this fact.

So a direct military campaign was not the first choice of the “task team”.

Instead they had to come up with a scenario or a plan that would be suppress China and meet all the criteria as discussed, while at the same time avoiding armed military conflict with a HEALTHY VIBRANT China. The Trump administration was faced with a “first”. Just how to suppress China, without using any overt military resources that might result in a nuclear response?

They sat down and came up with an idea.

The basic plan
If China could be “broken” with all sorts of internal strife, starvation, misery, distress, and trouble, China would weaken. As a result, the United States could capitalize on that situation. This would, if properly handled, result in forward staging bases on Taiwan, with a naval harbor there.

Create uprisings and strife at the two gateways for the Belt and Road Initiative.
Create Chinese starvation by decimation of all pork, chicken, wheat, and grain industries.
Offer CIA “incentives” in African nations.
An anti-China propaganda campaign would galvanize Americans against China and it’s products.
“Incentivize” American companies to bring factories back to America.
An anti-China technology campaign would destroy existing business relationships in Europe and across the globe.
A pandemic that would suppress China, but would ignore America.
Then prep for a hot war with the establishment of staging bases on Taiwan.
This is an eight-year plan, and assumes two complete terms as President for Donald Trump.

Additionally there is the possibility of a successful successor that could implement successive states in a complete global realignment to fit the long-term neocon plan.

Implementation
This plan of course is secret / confidential. It’s not advertised. Though, it was moving forward with great rapidity throughout the first term of Donald Trump in office.

I’ve covered all the elements in other posts in far greater detail. There you can see the details. Links are as provided herein.

This is just an overview.

Create strife in HK. The “pro-democracy” protests were implemented by NED / NID insurgents under the guise of being “journalists”. <HERE><HERE><HERE>
Create strife in Xinjiang. Radicalized and CIA trained Muslim insurgents creating “fifth column“ activities. <HERE>
Forced Starvation. Destruction of the pork industry via drones and aerosol viruses, destruction of the chicken industry, the wheat and rice industries, and multiple waves of germ attacks. <HERE>.
African Incentives. This is ongoing. Though lately a number of nations are demanding that China pay billions of dollars to them for COVID-19 damage. I cannot help but see a CIA hand in all this.
Incentivize American Businesses. Enormous amounts of money has been handed to American companies throughout trumps first term of office, the greatest amounts came during the 2020 “COVID bailout”. However, no companies have shown any interest in returning operations to America.
Anti-China propaganda campaign. This is hot and heavy. Apparently it’s working a full 30% of Americans hate China and blame it for all the American ills.
Anti-China technology campaign. Well the arrest of the Huawei President and the suppression of 5G technology is only the tip of the iceberg. <HERE>.
A Pandemic that would suppress China but ignore America. This is the highlight of the plan and really interesting. Three strains. A, B, and C. All unleashed on the world. Lethal strain B is for China. It is dangerous and lethal. However, Americans get the A virus. This virus is mild and safe. It self inoculates (or was intended to). It is designed for Americans to have “Herd Immunity”. <HERE>
Establish American Bases on Taiwan. Ongoing and not public.
If things went as planned…
If things went as planned, China would be a poisonous stew of conflict with all sorts of internal troubles, starvation, insurrections and conflicts. The workers would be sick and dying and the anti-China propaganda campaign would scare companies from trading (or continuing to trade) with China. No hot war would ever be necessary.

The COVID-19 germ bio-warfare released at the most vulnerable time for social communicability on CNY eve, would completely turn China into a basket case.

Hospitals, civil services, and all government would be overwhelmed. People would be clamoring for peace and stability, and that would open up an opportunity for the United States to begin harassment in the area around Taiwan. HK would be in turmoil. Military actions would fracture Xinjiang, and alliances would crumble.

If you recall, in February and March 2020, two carrier battle groups were being sent to that area…

… up until they had to make emergency stops at Guam for COVID-19A lethal outbreaks.

By the time the end of the Summer rolled around, American intervention in Taiwan would be in action. Success would flood the airwaves, whether true or not, and trump being a “War President” would take complete control of the government with landslide victories in both Congress and the Senate.

Then with a solid control of the Washington apparatus, the subsequent phases of action could proceed. Which would of course mean military troops, on the ground, to “liberate” the Chinese yearning for “freedom” and “democracy”.

Things didn’t go as planned
No, things did not go as planned.

They never go as planned.

Someone should tell these neocons that you have to have a few “projects” “under your belt” first before you try implementing them. Things never go according to plan and if you go ahead and kick a dog, expect him to snap at you and bite your arm. China will not watch while all this happens and not train, prepare, plan and take action.

While all this was going on, China knew what the neocons were planning. China and Russia shared intel data, and combined saw that America was an active and real threat. If China collapses, Russia would be next. If Russia collapses, China would be next. So what did they do?

Russia and China signed military self-defense treaties. They also watched with some degree of hope that the intel information was incorrect.

But it wasn’t.

Trade. The “Trump Trade Negotiations” were all a “smokescreen”. No one in the Trump administration wanted any kind of agreement. None. Not at all. <HERE><HERE>

Factories Returning. Well, no factories are returning to America. America is over regulated, the wages are too high, the quality of worker is too low, and the corruption at the state and local levels are absurd. <HERE><HERE><HERE>

Famine. The attempt to destroy the Chinese food supply proceeded as planned. It’s just that the image of what China actually is was completely out of alignment with what the Trump advisors expected. So even though the assaults went as planned, the were unable to induce a famine. <HERE><HERE><HERE>

Africa. Africa is still in play.

Propaganda. The Anti-China propaganda campaign seems to be working, though it’s giving everyone fatigue. On more than one occasion I have seen people complaining. They say “Get this shit off my feed. Heck you need waders to plow through all the muck.”

Technology. The Anti-China technology campaign is hit and miss. Certainly the drums are beating and there are skirmishes. Huawei, however is still in business, and many non-American companies, and nations are moving with the Chinese 5G model.

COVID-19. It is the pandemic where China decided to stop playing “defense” and go on the “offense”. And the Trump administration did not expect China to be so aggressive, and proactive. Let’s talk about this…

The COVID-19 bio-weapon attack
So America launches a very dangerous bio-weapon attack on Chinese New Year eve. The timing was such that it would have spread like a fire inside a bone dry barn filled with hay. If China did not take immediate action, the entire nation would have turned into a complete “basket case”.

But that is not what happened.

China went on full military alert. It went DEFCON ONE on CNY eve. Everything went under lock-down, and then China took aggressive action on an entire slew of areas. Obviously the Chinese intel knew something was up, and had more information about what was going on than what we have been led to believe. China killed the pandemic and stopped it right in it’s tracks.

But that is only part of the story.

The entire time while China was under lock-down, people were dying, and the anti-China propaganda campaign was reaching a fever pitch, China took action.

COVID-19B Lethal – For Chinese to get sick and die from.
COVID-19A Safe – For Americans and their allies to build up “herd immunity” to.
So, China made a dangerous version of the virus.

A virus based on the safe version that the Trump neocons wanted to infect all of America with. A virus that was/is being disseminated all throughout the United States thanks to Trumps advisory that everyone does not need to wear masks, or use social distancing. Don’t you all think that it was weird that he would insist on no one wearing masks? Don’t you think that he wanted groups of people to conjugate together? Don’t you think this was strange when there were just terrible videos out of China?

China took action. They turned the “immunization” virus lethal.

COVID-19A Lethal – Non-immunization version, lethal, sent back to America.
And that is what is unleashed in America today.

Yes. We are in World War III
Today the world is wracked with three strains of a bio-weapon designed, concocted in America and unleashed by the neocons in the Trump administration.

COVID-19A – Mild. Designed to grant immunity to Americans.
COVID-19B – Lethal designed to kill Chinese.
COVID-19C – A variation of B, designed to target Iran and North Korea.
And now…

COVID-19A Lethal
Oh, and by the way. none of the viruses in the COVID-19 family grants immunity. Once you get a mild strain, you are more prone to get a more dangerous strain.

The world is FUCKED.

And so, it’s all a complete FUBAR. Yup. That’s just exactly how and why you know that it is an American military operation. Name one American military operation that was not FUBAR. Name one!

Military slang from WWII, fubar is an acronym for "fucked up beyond all recognition ". " the house was completely fubar."

-Urban Dictionary: fubar
It’s a military operation. That is for certain.

No it is not yet “hot”, but it sure is “warm”. People are dying and more people have died so far in America that during the Vietnam war. Just because nuclear weapons are not yet in play does not mean that it is not going to happen.

These neocons do not give up. They have a near religious vision of the world where America controls everything and everyone. Where American law is obeyed everywhere and where “American greatness” defines the human race.

Many of Trump's followers view his role as near religious. They believe that God and Jesus are blessing all of his actions and that he can do no wrong.
Many of Trump’s followers view his role as near religious. They believe that God and Jesus are blessing all of his actions and that he can do no wrong.
Heck!

They even made a coin to commemorate this event, or at least to keep the Wuhan bat-eating Chinese narrative alive. What? You don’t think that this is all part of a long-term, well-thought-out plan?

What can I say?

The coincidences in America during this period of COVID-19 coronavirus are astounding!
As I have mentioned before, the various world-lines are all interconnected with rapid trans-reality communication. This leads to some odd and strange phenomena. Nothing is more poignant than when it is associated with a global situation or catastrophe. As is the case with the COVID-19, coronavirus.
The time-table is still in play.

Trump is right now, according to news reports, making “arrangements” for a transition of power if he were to lose the election. I have no idea what that means, but if the players like Pompeo are still in office, then that means that the situation will only get worse. They will continue their plans.

I expect things to go “hot” around 2023.

This is for certain if Trump gets a second term of office, and a 50% chance of certainty with someone else in office.

I also predict that it will not go as any one expects, and that America will be devastated, the globe would we completely turned on it’s head, and China would suffer.

Let’s hope that this prediction does not transpire.

Conclusion
Or, I could just have an over active imagination. Right?

To paraphrase some of the responses I have read…

Everyone knows that America would never even contemplate such a thing. After all, it’s currently fighting eight wars, has 800 military bases and 14 carrier battle groups. America is way too busy to devote time and effort to fighting China. Why fight China when it’s much easier to fight in Somalia, Yemen and Syria?

And Trump and his advisors are fine God-fearing folk. Pompeo and Bolton would never advocate a war against China. The idea that a neocon wants war is well…silly.

There is no such thing as The Thucydides Trap.



Trump wants a fair trade arrangement where everyone wins, and the Chinese are just evil, bad and eat bat soup. They are filthy foul liars. They steal and a scourge of the planet.

Right?

With my personal duty out of the way of attacking the trolls and hopefully driving them back under the bridges from whence they came, I would like to ask if there is any way to "strip a country of its sovereign immunity" without a war? I mean, isn't that the whole point of wars? To eliminate or protect a nation's sovereignty? Isn't trying to eliminate another country's sovereignty by just passing a law kinda like trying to simplify math by passing a law to make π=3 ? If you want your sovereignty-stripping law to have any meaning, then you have to enforce it, and that enforcement will look a whole lot like a war, regardless of what you want to call it.

Unlike Americans the Chinese are not stupid. They have long known of the approach of the obligatory scene of the Thucydides Trap and have been preparing for it as best they can (which happens to be some quite good preparations).

I'll let the empire's trolls in on a little secret: The Chinese can lose every single ship they send to the "Battle of the Xisha Islands" and still win the war. That's because industrial capacity is important in a major war.

-Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2020 15:48 utc | 33
Yes, the USA can take their itemized list, and pencil off the playing field. And China will sway in the wind for a while. But you know what?

China owns the ball the bat, the gloves, the players, the field, the dugouts, and the fencing. While the USA is so proud to have control over the score, it will be China that will control the game. And no wishful thinking is going to change the reality that you need people, factories and skills to make things.

Thinking that you are accomplishing something by writing about it, comparing it in a spreadsheet, or endlessly debating it on social media is meaningless in the overall scheme of things. Real productive nations make physical things.

Ya, I do hope that you enjoyed this post. I’m gonna place it in my China Index, My Trump Trade Wars Index, and my SHTF Index. You can access these indexes directly here…
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Quoted from comments:
"That means so many people were laughing at China while he himself was infected by Covid 19. China literally got blamed for identifying virus rather than applaud. This shows how racist people can be, especially Westerners and Indian."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYfnYYFMYg...3YpBV3Vh4AaABAg

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What u think? Is she anti vaxx pipu?
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Lol! I'm not sure about that. I still think it's from Wuhan.
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Lol! I'm not sure about that. I still think it's from Wuhan.
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Quoted comments:
"It was the Fort Detrick virus, coming from the US. It was spreading in the world as “malaria” or “flu” virus. Same thing happened in Wuhan, China, when 5 US service personnel were hospitalized with “Malaria” symptoms during the 2019 CISM military games. That hospital later became an epicenter during the Covid outbreak and lost a number of doctors and nurses."
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US urged to explain military lab shutdown
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1182694.shtml

Netizens and experts are calling for the US government to release information on the suspension of an infectious disease research lab under the US Army, as a petition on the White House website listed coincident events between the closure and the outbreak of COVID-19, urging the US government to clarify whether the lab was related to the deadly virus.

While the origin of the novel coronavirus is still unknown and conspiracy theories have caused widespread panic, experts said that timely information disclosure to the public would benefit global unity and cooperation against the pandemic, which had infected more than 150,000 people and killed 5,400 around the world as of Saturday.

The Fort Detrick laboratory that handles high-level disease-causing material, such as Ebola, in Fredrick, Maryland was shut after the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a cease and desist order to the organization in July, 2019 according to local media.

The suspension was due to multiple causes, including failure to follow local procedures and a lack of periodic recertification training for workers in the biocontainment laboratories. The wastewater decontamination system of the lab also failed to meet standards set by the Federal Select Agent Program, media reported.

The lab, which was closed more than half a year ago, recently caught public attention as a petition submitted to the White House website on March 10 listed some coincidences in time between the closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.

For example, "a large-scale 'influenza' killed more than 10,000 people" in the US in August 2019 following the closure; and the COVID-19 epidemic broke out globally in February 2020 after the US organized Event 201 - A Global Pandemic Exercise - in October 2019.

The petition also noted that many English-language news reports about the closure of Fort Detrick were deleted amid the worsening COVID-19 pandemic, raising suspicions over the lab's relationship with the novel coronavirus.

#FortDetrick
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Wrong geographical region/facts. Wuhan is in China, brah. That's where it all started/spread. Not in the US. Lol!
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Wrong geographical region/facts. Wuhan is in China, brah. That's where it all started/spread. Not in the US. Lol!
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Originated from USA but USA having the most hit cases and number one in death etc etc ...

Now that is really a well plan pandemic in a Planet level .
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Officials: Chinese ambassador to Israel found dead in home
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5:36 PM MYT

JERUSALEM: The Chinese ambassador to Israel was found dead in his home north of Tel Aviv on Sunday, Israel’s Foreign Ministry said.

No cause of death was given and Israeli police said it was investigating.

Du Wei (pic), 58, was appointed envoy in February in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. He previously served as China’s envoy to Ukraine.

He is survived by a wife and son, both of whom were not in Israel.

Israel enjoys good relations with China.

The ambassador's death comes just two days after he condemned comments by visiting US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who denounced Chinese investments in Israel and accused China of hiding information about the coronavirus outbreak. - AP
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/20...nd-dead-in-home

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Will Washington allow the WHO to investigate its military bio labs?

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Petition urges US gov’t to clarify army lab shutdown as doubts grow over COVID-19’s origin

http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0321/c90000-9670852.html

Speculation over COVID-19’s origin continues to grow, with some people demanding that the US government disclose more information on the closure of a US Army biological laboratory that may be connected to the outbreak.

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