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MORATORIUM PEMBIAYAAN BANK SEMPENA WABAK COVID
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Mar 31 2020, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Mar 30 2020, 02:09 PM) https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4933724&hl=My monthly repayment is 1.8K and i think i understand that this amount is total of principal amount + interest am i correct? So let say i defer for 6 months and then on the 6th month i pay up all the previous 6 months in 1 shot. In this case there will not incur any extra interest other than the normal amount? I'm still able to make the payment now but if possible i want to keep the money for in case emergency.. Anyone can clarify on this? Assuming no additional charges comes from prepayment on 7th month
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Mar 31 2020, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Mar 31 2020, 01:21 PM) If you immediately dump all your monthly moratorium savings back into your loan on month 7 day 1 to reduce loan principal (net debt) then you will bring the loan principal back down to where it would have been if you never did anything, plus or minus pocket change. There is a difference between a non-compounded interest accrued when you opt for moratorium, and a compounded interest savings made when you opt out and keep paying (because your month 2-6 interest will be lower and lower as you pay off principal). The difference is pocket change. Also, putting your monthly moratorium savings into FD at 3% might give you an offsetting pocket income against above pocket change. For a RM500,000 outstanding principal, we're talking about less than RM100 nett difference. but lets say if you dont opt for the moratorium. and you continue paying your unchanged monthly installment for the remaining loan tenure (apart from movements in OPR) just for an additional 6 months, how would you pay extra? sorry for asking so much, I'm just very curious
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Mar 31 2020, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Mar 31 2020, 10:34 PM) Sorry I don't get you question. If you don't opt for the moratorium, then nothing changes, of course. sorry my bad. I mean if you opt for the moratorium, and you just continue paying every month until the end of the loan tenor. assuming the monthly loan installment remains constant apart from movements in OPR, you would still pay essentially the same number of months and amount. so how would you pay extra if you opt in? as per my understanding, the interest accrue will not be compounded so the interest will be added into the principal balance, hence the longer tenure is necessary to pay longer.
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Mar 31 2020, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Mar 31 2020, 11:08 PM) If you opt in.. the bank has two ways to cater to your higher loan amount now... They can increase monthly payment amount, increase your loan tenure, or both. You cannot take the moratorium, get charged 6 months of interest, and expect to still maintain monthly amount and loan tenure. yup, so RHB is doing the latter which is to increase tenor. extracted based on their website: What would happen to my loan/financing after the moratorium period?
Will I need to pay more interest/profit after the moratorium period is over? Is there an increase in monthly payments, or longer tenure? The monthly instalment/payment amount will remain unchanged after the deferment period. However, the monthly instalment/payment will be adjusted should there be any revision of the Bank’s reference rates (i.e. Base Rate/Base Lending Rate/Base Financing Rate) for variable rate loan/financing.
You will continue paying the same monthly instalment/payment1 with an additional tenure of 6 months2.
You may also contact us after the moratorium period if you want to arrange for other suitable payment plans that you can afford such as increased instalment/payment or further tenure extension2.
Applicable to Home Financing, Property Financing and ASB Financing: 1The monthly instalment/payments will first be allocated to pay off the deferred interest/profit. Payment will only be subsequently allocated to reduce the principal balance once all outstanding interest/profit has been paid. 2Extension of tenure is subject to the maximum loan/financing tenure of 35 years for home financing.That's why from the above you don't really lose out much even if you opt in for the moratorium apart from movements in the OPR. The only argument people are saying now is that if you're not short of cash, why not pay now while the BLR is so low. But apart from the BLR savings which to me is marginal, you don't really pay ADDITIONAL interest per say. Of course after the deferment your 7th and 8th month payments will predominantly used to settle interest, so your principal amount won't touch much.
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Apr 4 2020, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 3 2020, 10:31 PM) Ringgit Plus comes out with a guide whether to take or not to take the deferment offer. Malaysia Bank Moratorium: Why You Should Opt For The 6-Month Deferment For ALL Loanshttps://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/loans/malay...sHy5bCveTADVnlgIt's a long article with 3 sections covering different types of credit facility. Happy reading! Highly inaccurate, there are banks like RHB that are offering increasing of 6 months tenor and exact same monthly repayment. This is achievable on the 7th month onwards the installment will be used to pay outstanding interest first
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Apr 4 2020, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 4 2020, 06:39 PM) Are you referring to Option 2 (A) : Pay the same monthly repayment, and extend loan tenure ? Yes, I don't know how on earth Ringgitplus calculated a "Whopping" 21 months loan tenure extension. My calculation pointing me to approximately 14 months extension under option 2 (A) in the article. As to your claim that RHB can do 6 months extension only @ exact same monthly instalment with interest prioritization on the 7th month onwards.....No bro, it's not possible. https://www.rhbgroup.com/covid_retail/index.html20. What would happen to my loan/financing after the moratorium period?
Will I need to pay more interest/profit after the moratorium period is over? Is there an increase in monthly payments, or longer tenure? The monthly instalment/payment amount will remain unchanged after the deferment period. However, the monthly instalment/payment will be adjusted should there be any revision of the Bank’s reference rates (i.e Base Rate/Base Lending Rate/Base Financing Rate) for variable rate loan/financing.
You will continue paying the same monthly instalment/payment1 with an additional tenure of 6 months2.
You may also contact us after the moratorium period if you want to arrange for other suitable payment plans that you can afford such as increased instalment/payment or further tenure extension2.
Applicable to Home Financing, Property Financing and ASB Financing: 1The monthly instalment/payments will first be allocated to pay off all outstanding interest/profit. Payment will only be subsequently allocated to reduce the principal balance once all outstanding interest/profit has been paid. 2For new loan/financing that are approved/disbursed after 1 April 2020, additional tenure is subject to the maximum loan/financing tenure of 35 years for home financing, 10 years for personal loan/financing and 9 years for hire purchase loans/financing.The above is extracted from RHB's website. Theres also a diagram depicting the same, gone to the branch and was informed the same thing. So why wouldn't it be true? just curious. Why would the bank give misleading information and make themselves be susceptible to litigation and backlash from the public? Attached thumbnail(s)
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Apr 4 2020, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(IAmLejen @ Apr 4 2020, 08:10 PM) Hi guys I have a personal loan with RHB due 5/4, I called the customer care it says any loans 1/4 on wards no need to pay for 6 months. I just want to ask, due on 5/4 means the loan is for month of March right? Or it doesnt counted that way, need some guidance on this thanks! no need to pay, mine same issue and asked before
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Apr 4 2020, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(IAmLejen @ Apr 4 2020, 08:18 PM) in RHB Now it still stated 5th April, so just ignore and wait they update the dates? just ignore, asked before QUOTE(oro102 @ Apr 4 2020, 08:26 PM) Oh shit, i just paid today. My RHB loan due date is 4/4. So can I still opt in? no problem, still entitle for moratorium of 5 months
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Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 4 2020, 09:33 PM) With or without moratorium, you can always make partial payment to reduce your outstanding loan balance. If yours is not a flexi loan, you need to notify your bank of your intention, otherwise your bank will account it as advance payment. Based on RHB illustration Outstanding balance RM280,585.00 @ 4.6% p.a. Balance tenure 360 months @ RM1,439/mth. My calculation based on payment as usual @ RMRM1,439 after the moratorium, the tenure will be extended to approximately 378 months. Please check with RHB if there is any flaw in my calculation and please correct me if I'm wrong. I finally gotten through RHB CS line. What they told me is exactly the same with what the RHB branch people said...which is also consistent with their publishing in their FAQ. They reassured that assuming OPR doesn't move and IR remains the same, your monthly repayment is the same and will not increase. Additional 6 months tenor.
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Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 4 2020, 11:17 PM) Sorry bro, even though monthly interest is not compounded, the normal interest is still accumulated right? So by not paying for the six months, you are actually accumulating full interest over that six months. Compared to if you continue paying for six months, your principal and interest is reduced. QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM) This is true. But he is correct too. if he put the full lump sum back into the loan later on after moratorium, everything goes back to square one. Yes he is right, if he does that he will be pari-passu and not inferior to the initial position
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Apr 5 2020, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 5 2020, 12:06 AM) This is only possible if RHB does not impose additional interests for month 7-12, which would be incredibly generous, since they are imposing interest even from month 1-6. If your monthly repayment is 2k a month and out of that your nterest charges are 1.5k a month, then you accumulate 9k of interest over month 1-6. If RHB wants you to pay off all interest in month 7-12, leaving your principal untouched, then it can only mean that you need to pay 9k of accrued interest plus 9k more in interest charged during month 7-12. That's 3k per month until all accrued interest is paid off, and then you can go back to your original loan schedule.. same amount, same tenure. Note: above are rough calculations only to explain the idea. The CS person didn't specifically said that the outstanding interest for the 6 months has to be repaid within 7-12 months...this is a gray area and they only told me the apportionment between interest/principal will be revised to accommodate this. Called again this morning, and RHB still reassured me its merely 6 months extension of tenor. I recorded the call, saved the PDF copy of the FAQ and T&Cs etc for future reference
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