okay, my bad then, sorry.

bah, i'm lazy to play this pwning game. only leads to flame wars.

Nope. that is coffeshop talk. BS.

Chinaman say: No sauce. Well, sauce may be tasty with some govt projects - but does not go well with Proton.

Proton is operated as a company like any other. It does not economy of scale, but is coping ok i guess.

RM50k for a 1200kg sedan OTR is reasonable. Do a comparison of the OTR prices for 1200kg class sedans in other countries if you dont believe me.

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Added on July 23, 2007, 8:39 pm

The City/FitAria is a ~1000kg class sedan. It's a lil smaller than a gen2 sedan, which is a ~1200kg class sedan.

The City/FitAria is a sedan version of the small Jazz/Fit.

A fair comparison would be between the City and the upcoming "Sedan" version of the Savvy platform.

A Honda 1200kg class sedan, the civic, costs RM75k OTR (WITHOUT TAX/NAP)... even if NAP/proton didnt exist, it would be about RM85k with GST and normal taxes... much more than the gen2 sedan. Of course, it is abit more technologically advanced. But the gen2 sedan is only ~RM50k

...it's still reasonable.

No need to apologize...too many people just didn't realized we're all getting pawn big time....by Proton.

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Added on July 24, 2007, 6:17 am

What SAVVY SEDAN?? U mean Gen-2 sedan rite??

And Civic is a few level above Gen2. Why even bother to compare that to Gen-2!! City would be fair comparison to Gen2 regardless the kg difference. Not to mentioned they have provenquality and a fc efficient engine....so far i haven't heard Campro being fuel efficient....very important in these days of petrol naik lagi....

RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jam


can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ?

RM 70 can bring u 400 km with consistant shifting at 6k rpm + daily comuting stuck at damansara infamous jam


can your FC efficient 'DVVT' return u the same thing ?

Stupid bashings again..pawn big time my shiny ass.

Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh*

Noobies stop the bashings...we've had enough of dumb people around.

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Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned.

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Added on July 24, 2007, 9:04 amStick to the top or I'l had you all banned.

this might be good... but i wonder how much impact it gonna hit for previous gen2 and waja sales.

Cheaper to run on DVVT which one Beroktua cars? How to compare 1.6 with 1.3 capacity cars? Standard 1 pupil also knows the difference *sigh*

200 bookings in just two days for new Proton model
By SHARIDAN M.ALI

SHAH ALAM: About 200 bookings have been received in just two days for the latest Proton model, to be launched by mid-August.

The yet to-be-named 1.6-litre sedan would be priced between RM45,000 and RM50,000, said Edaran Otomobil Nasional Bhd (EON) managing director Datuk Syed Hisham Syed Wazir.

ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher. 

Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be.

20yr's is very young for a car company.
Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years!

About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc).

I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt.
The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags.
edited: grammatical errors.

the new gen2 sedan = rm45k - rm50k...
old gen2 + old waja value will be like piece of JUNK...
if tht's the current value, i wonder who's gonna buy those savvy...
hmm... not to mention is there any value for a savvy now...?
owner of proton will suffer the most...

And Gen.2 sedan looks much sexier than those tall narrow japangese cars anyway - vios, city and latio sedan which are dam ugly.

Just go for it..

Don't fall for advice that ask you go for SECOND HAND cars..it's stupid. You need to have at least 5k cash at least in hand if buying SECOND HAND cars...trust me. The smell of new car is ecstatic.

or you will regret big time with the quality of vios and transmission problem of the city.

And Gen.2 sedan looks much sexier than those tall narrow japangese cars anyway - vios, city and latio sedan which are dam ugly.

don't forget msia government impose 120% tax on Japanese car and 300% tax on European cars