no way you can get 8km/L. it is a very heavy Van.

This is ANH30 2.5l cvti, u sure can’t get 8km/l? A few told me it varies from 8-10km/l...hmm anyone else can confirm on this?

Vellfire is about 2000 kg, while the starex is 2,250kg but the fc on starex is quite marvelous, about 10-13km/l easily...of coz it’s running on diesel though..

This post has been edited by dikae: Mar 19 2020, 11:18 PM

I have an old Estima 2005 2.4 4 spd auto at home, which weight about 1780kg, average FC on city 7.5km/L, on highway it's about 10-11km/L.

I have also a Kia Sorento 2.2D 8 spd auto at home, which weight about 1980kg, average FC on city about 11-12km/L, on highway it's about 14-15km/L.

Vellfire is heavier than a Estima, but having a newer 2.5 engine and CVT, I guess it should be about the same, maybe slightly better than Estima's FC on highway due to CVT. On city, be prepared to see 7km/L, anything better than that you should be happy.

Another MPV to consider, which has better interior and also diesel is the Kia Grand Carnival. Lesser seats than Starex but hey at least it looks quite handsome.

Thanks...7km/ltr city drive can still pull about 500+ km for full tank, which I supposed isn’t that bad right?

Btw how many ltr tank does the vellfire has? 65 or 75?

Yea I went to see grand carnival, but the 2020 version is a 11 seater which is bad coz they squeeze all the seats into the already small interior, and the seats are not removable. Even the 2019 ones are quite different category than the starex, it’s more of an estima category..it wins starex as a family car as it has all the nessesity i.e 3 pointer belts and etc which the starex doesn’t..

This post has been edited by dikae: Mar 20 2020, 11:21 AM

https://www.mudah.my/2019+Kia+CARNIVAL+SX+2...19-69198472.htm

Appears to have some last orders, if there is, quickly grab one !

Nope, won’t consider the grand carnival coz it’s not the same category of a vellfire/starex, it’s more of the size of an estima..

And the worse is all new design carnival is coming out in 2021, already got leak shots etc...

This post has been edited by dikae: Mar 20 2020, 02:36 PM

Can anyone else who owns ANH30 vellfire share your fc? tqtq

family used to own one starex and im dealing with vellfires on daily basis.

i can say that comfort and refinement wise, they are on different level. starex is really barebone, other than the higher number of seats + more powerful engine, everything else loses to vellfire.

fc on vellfire is pretty alright given the size and weight, i can get 10kml+- on normal driving and 12-13kml on highway cruise.

grand carnival feels as big if not bigger than vellfire to me, definitely not the same class as estima.

Thanks for sharing. power wise, is it much more powerful than the vellfire? And how about fc on starex? (Based on your same usage as the vellfire)

Carnival doesn’t feel the same as vellfire to me and my family, we find it rather cramped on the 2nd and especially 3rd row, drivers seat was alright and spacious, also the ceiling is much lower..

hard to compare the power delivery between both car, one is NA petrol + CVT while the other one is turbodiesel + 5-speed auto. i preferred how the vellfire accelerates compared to starex, very smooth and relaxing.
due to the diesel powertrain, starex can definitely handle full load better than vellfire.

that's a bit surprising to me, given that the carnival's dimension isn't far off from the vellfire from what i remember.

just wondering, are you looking for 2016 ZG vellfire?

Thanks..actually the power for full load is not crucial coz it’ll mostly be on 2 adults 2-3 toddlers....I supposed not too much to handle..how many km/l do u get on a Starex?

The carnivals dimension is about same as estima, even the sales advisor confirmed it..and also the shape (bullet shape) as to compare to vellfire Starex’s dimension..at least the height is visible..

I’m looking at a ZA vellfire 2016..

This post has been edited by dikae: Mar 21 2020, 10:12 PM

The Vellfire you identified looked good, just go for it. FC is high, but it won't kill. 7-8km/L is ok...ish for such a big car, it's unreasonable to assume anything near 10km/L. When you get that, take it as bonus.

BTW, Carnival is bigger than a Vellfire, footprint dimension (length x width) wise. In US, it's matched against Toyota Sienna, the biggest MPV of Toyota, longer, wider but lower than a Vellfire.

Estima length = slightly less than 4.8m
Vellfire length = slightly less than 5.0
Sienna length = 5.1+ m

Thanks for your input bro, yea I think 7/8km/L is ok, considering the fuel tank is 75ltr (or is it 65ltr tank?).

I went for the carnival twice but my family didn’t like it and felt it’s narrow, if the dimension is bigger than velllfire the I believe the height was the deal breaker, coz my family and I don’t feel as comfortable in the carnival compared to starex/vellfire, sort of claustrophobic..

This post has been edited by dikae: Mar 23 2020, 12:32 PM

Someone talk about Kia Carnival, it is a dark horse indeed for SUV category. Few of my friends upgraded to this from Toyota Estima due to it's size and space. No issue heard until now for the diesel engine. My mechanic did 1 starex (purely people mover for tourist) full overhaul maintenance at 300k mileage. Really damn tough the diesel engine. The only weakness now for KIA is it's after sales service from Naza. FYI, the diesel engine technology (Injector, sensors, etc) used from Hyundai & Kia engine is from Bosch Germany.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Mar 24 2020, 09:57 AM

Thanks for sharing your input..but i’d appreciate if you can take this a serious thread with peace sharing and refrain from being rude..this is not a troll thread...like said above, this is not kopitiam.

P/s: there were quite a few who has shared with me their vellfire anh30 can pull more than 8-10km/l, so this is not only based on just 1 person’s input...if your vellfire can’t get close to 8km/l, prolly your engine has issues..get it checked..doesn’t mean others are stupid..

The confusion may come, when we have not defined city driving. Generally we should go by city driving speed. If speed anot recorded for city driving then the comparison is not apple to apple

Higher the city driving speed, better the fuel consumption

Bro, I got my vellfire 2018 model, back last October. Already owned it for 6 months.

I was actually looking at 2016 and 2017 car like you but most units I view have heavy smoke smell. Then I went to view one 2018 model facelift, straight fell in love with how great the condition is. My advise is go for 2018 facelift model cuz it comes with toyota safety sense and also avoid 2015-2017 model because most of it will have torque converter problem. My cousin got 2015 alphard already change gearbox twice.

Yea understood, but a figure to benchmark is always good...i.e 7-9km/l or etc...

Thanks bro, yea I heard a lot about the torque converter issue on 2015-2018 model, unfortunately budget doesn’t permit to get the 2018 facelifted model so guess i’ll have to opt for the older models..btw there’s a 5 years warranty that covers engine, gearbox, and steering rack...wonder if the torque converter is within coverage? And if it’s not under warranty, any idea what’s the repair damage like?

I think you're better off with the starex bro, unless you plan to keep the vellfire for only 5 years. At least the starex is new, so you dont have to worry about gearbox failing.

Plus, 38k km for a 2016 is abit high. I have seen many 2016 vellfire with only 15k to 18k mileage bro.

All in all, it is all up to you as it is your money. Good luck bro!