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calvin_gsc
post Jul 22 2007, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 12:34 AM)
Hi, ive been scouting around to get a d80. i went to this place in timesquare, forgot the shops name, ground floor. they offered me 4100 for d80 kit with lens, 1gb, tripod n bag. today was in fotokem midvalley and the guy said 4400 with 2gb, tripod n bag.i asked him why so much more expensive n told him that it was cheaper in timesquare n he said that maybe the battery n all was not original. could this be true? also how to check battery whether its original or not? also wondering what flash to get. want a decent but not too expensive flash coz im just a beginner. thanks alot...
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Well, I got my kit at RM4100 without any other accessories. So, I suggest you to go for the shop in timesquare.

IMHO, Fotokem shops sells cams more expensive.

Well, the original nikon battery should look like this

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If the battery doesn't look this this, then it's a 3rd Party battery. I don't think there is fake en-el3e, but got 3rd party. If 3rd party then it will have a diff brand name.

Since yourself say you're a beginner, you can go for the SB-400 or SB-600. But i think SB-600 is more practical and better flexibility.

However, of course if you have the budget, the SB-800 can guarantee better performance and features.

If you want to know the diff between SB-600 and SB-800, read this http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/sb600vs800.htm
calvin_gsc
post Jul 22 2007, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 12:54 AM)
ah. cool. thanks for the pic n all. so that means it wont be the nikon logo at all if its 3rd party right? btw how much is sb600 now? and is 4100 normal price that some other shops may sell it at? or is it cheaper for a reason? thanks
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yeah, if nikon battery, u will be able to tell whether it's genuine or not. It also has a holographic sticker.

Well, it depends on diff shop's cost price.

Or some just wanna make a profit out of your sales.

RM4100 is kit and they will normally throw in a 1GBsd/tripod/bag

SB-600 should cost from RM750 onwards. I think market price is RM780.
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post Jul 22 2007, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 01:15 AM)
ah okok. so u think its ok the shop in timesquare? any other recommended place which u think i should go to or will have the same price?
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You can try to go and scout for it in Sg Wang.

Enata Photo, Tarita Sg Wang, Boeing Camera.

In lowyat plaza, you can try Bintang maju

In KL Plaza, I would highly recommend Foto Miami, as I got mine there.

Ask around and you may get yourself a good deal.

QUOTE(d8kd @ Jul 22 2007, 01:23 AM)
can try international photo in pertama complex.

i've oso seen ppl selling in garage sale section with the body only at 29xx ... the price it's sooo drooling, i wonder shall i get that and equip it with a nikkor / sigma 18-200  lense.
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Yeah, that one is parallel/japan import.

Well, if you're on a budget, this way is not too bad. Given the chances of a faulty D80 is very low.

Made in Japan set somemore.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 01:24 AM)
damn....serious?? can trust or not? i mean got warranty n all?
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IMHO, it can't be trusted. One seller, just pay RM50 for every year of warranty.

But who's gonna handle the warranty? You have to go back to him, and he may just disappear.

You can buy the set, warranty wont be covered by Nikon Malaysia, you will have to pay for servicing and all.


Added on July 22, 2007, 11:08 am
QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 02:45 AM)
ok. just worried a bit coz pertama complex itself quite dodgy lah d whole place
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international camera service center is a renowned camera shop. No need to worry.

You can also get from YL Camera in pudu Plaza, another place for cheap deals for lenses and body.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Jul 22 2007, 11:08 AM
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post Jul 22 2007, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 22 2007, 10:55 PM)
hmmmm. i think ill stick with the original body. dont know whether the parallel one reliable. especially as far as warranty is concerned. just not sure now whether to get kit and sb600 n worry about 18-200 later or body and 18-200 which will cost much more
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Well, if you have the funding, get the 18-200mm, it's a very versatile lens.

To share with you, I used to be crazy over the 18-200mm, but i read and read and considered....

I already have the kit lens, which covers the 18-135mm range. So I am planning to get a 70-300mm VR lens which costs 1.8K.

The 18-200 is soft at the further range of the lens.

After my telephoto lens, I will need to save up for a constant aperture lens like the Tamron's 17-50mm f/2.8. It's more affordable than Nikkor's 17-55mm f/2.8. (RM1.5k vs 4.8k)
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post Jul 23 2007, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 23 2007, 02:16 AM)
yeah man.getting  poisoned every second. the more n more posts here, more im getting poisoned and gian to get my d80. how come the 70-300 is so much cheaper than 18-200? 18-200 around 2.6k right?? better to get 70-300??


Added on July 23, 2007, 5:15 amoh yeah...does the top lcd have backlight?
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Let's do some simple math.

If you were to get a D80 body only, it would cost you around RM3.5k for original.

Set 1
D80 With Kit lens 18-135mm= RM4200.

Set 2
Body only = RM3.5k
With 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 G ED-IF AF-S VR= RM2.5k
Total = RM6000

Set 3
Body only = Rm3.5k
With 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR= RM1.8k
Total = RM5300

Set 4
D80 with Kit lens (18-135mm) = RM4200
With 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR= RM1.8k
Total = RM6000

Set 5
D80 body only = RM3.5k
Tamron SP AF 17-50MM F/2.8 = RM1200
With 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S VR= RM1.8k
Total = RM6500

If I were you, and had the budget, I would get set 5.

It's good to have a constant aperture lens for low light conditions and without flash photography.

You will miss the 50-70mm range in between the 2 lenses, but nothing to worry about that. You just need to move back or forward of your obect by a few steps.

It all depends on your budget really. If you have the funds, I strongly suggest you to get a good set of lens to start with. They're suitable to start with.

I got myself a D80 Kit Lens because my funding wasn't that good at the point I bought my camera.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Jul 23 2007, 07:24 AM
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post Jul 23 2007, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 23 2007, 02:13 PM)
thanks man. u set out all the options really nicely for me. sorry for asking, how does constant aperture lens differ from normal lenses. cant u just set the aperture on the kit lens too? btw..u forgot to include sb-600 which would cost me another 700?
sorry...the smaller number on lenses state the distance or width? coz someone once told me it was the width
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Sorry I missed out on the Sb-600, didn't know you were getting it all one shot. Lucky you! rclxm9.gif

Constant aperture lens means that at any focal length, the biggest aperture size you can can be a constant f/stop.

For eg. Tamron's 18-50mm f/2.8

from 18-50mm range also it can be set to f/2.8 which makes it a fast lens.

However, for eg. the 18-135mm f3.5-5.6G, at 18mm, it can open widest to f/3.5 and at 135mm aperture can only open biggest to f/5.6. This makes a lot of diff compared a f/2.8 lens.

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Zoom lenses without constant aperture will have diff biggest aperture at different focal lengths.

Simplified:

]# 18mm f/3.5
# 24mm f/4
# 35mm f/4.5
# 50mm f/5
# 70mm and higher f/5.6



Another reason why I am not getting the 18-200mm VR lens is that it has very bad distortion at 18mm compared to the kit lens.

18mm at 18-200mm VR

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18mm at 18-135mm kit lens

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Added on July 23, 2007, 4:45 pm
QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 23 2007, 03:01 PM)
ah ok..no wonder...someone once told me like 18-135, 18 is the width and 135 was the length. thats why a bit confused.  damn...now 50mm 1.8 shinchan?? im sooo confused. i especially want a lens that can zoom quite a bit so i can take photos from far e.g. concerts and stuff. not that far like all the way from the back but i mean if im a bit far that the lens can help me zoom quite a bit.
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Save the RM350 on the 50mm 1.8d for the lenses I recommended if you don't need the 50mm.

The 50mm 1.8d is a very sharp lens, great for portraits, close ups and macro (paired with close up filter/extension tubes/reverse ring)

One good thing about the 50mm 1.8 is that it's really fast.

It's great for indoor low light photography without flash.

But the downside is that it's not a variable zoom lens.

Which is why I ask you to invest on a Tamron 18-50mm f/2.8. thumbup.gif


Added on July 23, 2007, 4:52 pm
QUOTE(d8kd @ Jul 23 2007, 03:22 PM)
70-300 is a slower lense as compare to 18-200.
options 5 is indeed a good choice, might source for 2nd hand lense right now biggrin.gif
prepare to spend RM6500 - RM8000 for the basic set. hahaha ... that's killing.
hmm ... might consider 18-200 or the 70-300 then
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I don't think you should compare 18-200mm with 70-300mm.

The working range for both lenses are different.

70-300mm is more of a dedicated telephoto, so it doesn't have the speed available on the wide angle part of the 18-200mm.

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Biggest aperture on the 18-200mm VR

18mm f/3.5
24mm f/3.8
35mm f/4.2
50mm f/4.8
70mm f/5
135mm and higher f/5.6


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Biggest aperture on the 70-300mm VR
    *  70mm f/4.5
    * 100mm f/4.8
    * 135mm f/5
    * 200mm f/5.3
    * slightly over 200mm and up f/5.6
If you compare the same focal lengths, clearly you can see the 70-300mm VR lens is a slightly faster lens than the 18-200mm. icon_idea.gif



This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: Jul 23 2007, 04:57 PM
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post Jul 23 2007, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jul 23 2007, 08:45 PM)
If you plan to get the 70-300mm VR or 55-200mm VR, the 18-55mm is good enough. For a variable zoom, anything above 50mm is pretty useless at night without flash/tripod/VR.
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If he has the funds, I strongly suggest he gets a constant aperture zoom lens like the Tamron's 17-50mm f/2.8 rather than the D40 kit lens.
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post Jul 23 2007, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(bsm @ Jul 23 2007, 09:49 PM)
mannn. im stumped. really no idea now. again...anyone free 2moro or wed? thanks. 70-300 is variable aperture right? and not as fast as 18-200? really alot of diff or what?
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You really didn't read what I wrote huh....

I explained quite clearly.
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post Jul 24 2007, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 24 2007, 01:23 PM)
I am guessing trade-ins for a D80 kit? I've asked some shops but none of them accept trade-ins.
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YL Camera would buy second hand bodies or lenses.

YL Camera is in Pudu Plaza. Do pay them a visit!

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post Jul 27 2007, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(kriel @ Jul 27 2007, 07:04 AM)
try going to fotokem @ sg. wang. d80 plus kit lens 4.1k. the price quoted to me 2 weeks ago. cash or CC same price.
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Wow, that's a very good price using crredit card payment.
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post Jul 29 2007, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(h_bib @ Jul 27 2007, 10:42 AM)
Tumpang this thread also..^^...getting D80 too...
Btw,Who already using SDHC 8GB on D80?issit compatible?
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hey bro, SDHC tend to perform slower because of it's high capacity. They have slower read/write speeds.

try going for those normal sd cards with high speed. But limited to max 4GB.



 

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