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rocketm
post May 29 2020, 09:48 AM

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Hi all,

I am having 2 AIA insurance.
1. A-Life CriticalCare (FullPay)
cover ALC2 A-LIFE CRITICALCARE(FULL) and DCF6 A-PLUS DISABILITYCARE
Premium: RM2,795

2. ANNIVERSARY LIFE PLAN
Cover: ALP2PB ANNIVERSARY LIFE PLAN and WP-N 3N EAPWP/BASIC
Both coverage amount is RM20k for each
Premium: RM398

Both plans are stated as Life insurance in the MyAIA online account. May I know is this correct? Should the first one is a medical insurance?

The first plan premium is quiet heavy to me. Having it for about 5 year, if I want to reduce my premium, besides the coverage amount will drop, what are the things will be affected?

Appreciate your advise. Thank you.
rocketm
post May 29 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 29 2020, 11:09 AM)
hi rocketm, the first one is life insurance that covers critical illness (not medical insurance), it is a lump sum payout when diagnosed with critical illness. If there is a medical card in your plan, you should see its details when you check your MyAIA account.

A-Life CriticalCare brochure here for your reference.
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Thank you ckdenion for your reply.

The first plan (life insurance with critical illness =) does not have medical card provided.

For the second plan, is it a pure life insurance?
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post May 29 2020, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 29 2020, 11:40 AM)
Hi, both plans are not medical cards.

1st plan is on CI

2nd plan is on Life/Disability.

As for reducing of the premium. You may need to contact AIA if reducing the premium would reduce on the coverage or will it maintain with lower cash value.

As the plans are pretty old already.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 29 2020, 11:43 AM)
yes, for AIA Anniversary Life plan is those that commonly people say as life insurance + savings.
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Thank you for both of your reply.
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post May 30 2020, 11:40 AM

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Hi all,

I would like to ask what is insurance charge? I only know it is only apply for medical and life insurance. It is a cost to the policyholder.

Can anyone give a simple for traditional medical/life insurance how to derive the figure for sum assured amount, cash value and death benefit since it has insurance charge exist.
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post May 30 2020, 11:05 PM

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May I know for any insurance type, if I have 2 same insurance type with different sum assured, when I would like to claim it, the claim form would require to fill up any similar insurance you have both with the company and with other insurance company, will the claim amount proportionate if submit both insurance claim together or submit one another after the first claim is approved?
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post May 30 2020, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 31 2020, 12:37 AM)
I would look for a more complete all-rounder coverage. Different people have their own plans. Your insurance agent should advise you, but it's up to you to take the action.

If you're looking for just medical alone then you should have opted for a standalone card instead of ILP.

Whether it's an issue of budget, personal choice, not sure what you're buying, have your own thoughts that opted you to choose the above for yourself. I don't know.
You're talking about life or medical ?
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May I know for different insurance type case?

Situation 1
2 Medical insurance

Situation 2
2 critical illness insurance

Situation 3
2 life insurance
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post May 31 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 31 2020, 12:45 AM)
Nothing is really wasted. You'll be just allocating the budget elsewhere.

It's just like you have RM10 now, an item cost RM9.70, do you feel that 0.30 cents change is wasted or do you need to purposely find an item worth 0.30 cent or higher, say RM3 to make it feel better for you to utilize your initial RM10?

But then you would have overspent if you had only budgeted RM10 initially.

Getting the picture here ?
1. Medical you will have to claim from 1 card first then subsequently once it's been fully utilized, you can claim on the 2nd card (based on annual limit)
Policy 1 - Annual Limit RM50,000
Policy 2 - Annual Limit RM100,000
Example: Surgery cost RM130,000, you decided to claim RM100,000 on policy 2 and balance RM30,000 on Policy 1.

2. & 3. The amount will be summed up, example,
Policy 1 - RM50,000
Policy 2 - RM30,000
Upon CI/Death, payout will total to RM80,000.
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For the Medical one, should it be Surgery cost RM130,000, you decided to claim RM100,000 on policy 2 and balance to claim RM30,000 on Policy 1 so still have allowance of RM20,000 for policy 1 (touch wood).

so for situation 2 and 3 will be process the claim (of the same type of insurance in the same company and with other insurance company) as individual policy, without proportion the payout amount.

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post May 31 2020, 02:05 AM

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What is the typical range of medical insurance premium (hospitalization and surgical) that can sufficient to cover those medical bills?

or what are the coverage that I should focus on its when deciding medical insurance as the cost of those items are more expensive in the hospital.

Which we should place more weight between a critical illness insurance or medical insurance?

I have limited budget due to low salary for now and I also plan to reduce the premium for my existing critical illness insurance as it exceeds my monthly salary so I am not afford to pay in long term.

Some questions on investment link products.
Does the investment link insurance originally is for life insurance and can add on riders such as medical insurance, critical illness, PA?

Does the investment amount is based on sum assured? The sum assured is the portion of premium set by insurance company allocate for investment after deducted those fund management fee and misc fee?

When the fund perform badly, does the policyholder require to top up premium in order to serve the investment portion?

Does those riders such as medical insurance is affordable and comprehensive than a standalone traditional medical insurance?

Is there any difference for medical insurance having medical card and without card?

This post has been edited by rocketm: May 31 2020, 03:01 AM
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post May 31 2020, 04:25 AM

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QUOTE(JoelTMH @ May 31 2020, 04:24 AM)
The Industry Benchmark for medical insurance now is all about 1million Annual Limit with Unlimited Lifetime Limit. Where the premium is depends on your age and health condition.
A medical insurance is to cover highly cost medical bills from hospital treatment, such as cancer. As it cost around 50k-100k per cycle (3months) depends on what type of treatment method. From my client's record, is around 300k treatment till she recovered from it.

A limited budget due to low salary aren't an issue as you can start it from low coverage and upgrade it later, better than without any coverage at all. Will certainly suggest you to get one standalone first if possible.

Investment-linked plan is like what you've said, is kinda flexible. As you can adjust or add on any rider you wanted, such as Medical, Critical Illness, Accident & Waiver.

The investment amount of investment-linked plan will taken from your premium with these rates :
1-3yr 60%
4-6yr 80%
7-10yr 95%

Then the remaining portion will only goes into those management fee, misc fee, agent commision and what not.
This new allocation rate is only enforced 2019 by Bank Negara, as it ensure consumers premium paid could sustain the plan longer enough until its maturity.
And yes, depends on the fund your agent selected in, there's fund profile from high risk to low risk, if it does not perform. It will affect on your sustainability of your policy. Top-up might required to allows you to continue / extend your coverage longer.

If there's budget for it, it will be more affordable and comprehesive than a standalone medical card.

Here's a guideline of price for you. Investmentlink plan which includes life, critical illness, medical card and waiver.
From age, 21-30, is around 200-300/mth.
From age 30-40, is around 300-400/mth.
From age 40-55, is around 400-500/mth

Hope these info helps you. =)
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Thank you for your reply.

How do we know the policy is allow to upgrade? What are the conditions for upgrade the policy? Can it done by walk through the insurance branch or online?

I also notice that some the medical insurance offer until age 99 and policyholder require to pay until 99 year old. Any medical insurance offer no payment coverage without using the cash value/cash bonus accumulated?

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I saw this diagram in the BNM document explain about the investment link insurance. As you said there are percentage of premium allocate to the investment account as show in the middle column. Does the value derived from the percentage of premium then deducted all the fund related expenses then will be the Sum Assured as the final value to invest in the selected fund? The profit/loss of the selected fund performance is kept as cash value that the policyholder like those traditional insurance?

What is the must have element for investment link insurance, is it life? If the new investment link insurance is having those rider that I already have then it might not economic for me as I have to pay for the price.

Does the price for the investment link you provided is refer to the premium?

How much different averagely for a standalone medical insurance and with investment link medical insurance?

Is there any different for medical insurance for having medical card and without card?
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post May 31 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ May 31 2020, 01:26 PM)

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 31 2020, 01:31 PM)
you may check the fine print from the product illustration. the plan is up to 80 years old but the sustainability might not reach 80. so you may double check with agent on that.
apparently, the COI for Standalone medical and ILP medical card rider is different reason being Standalone medical card included other fees like policy fee and perhaps other misc fees (in the COI table there is no breakdown on this but just a lump sum). for ILP medical card rider COI table, the figure is only referring the rider charges, the other charges you will see the breakdown in the COI table in the product illustration.
rocketm, answer as above smile.gif
hope the above replies clear your doubts. smile.gif
tried my best to answer your questions. biggrin.gif
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Thank you for the detail explanation.

Perhaps, I need to consider what is the effect of downgrade my CI insurance and then decide a traditional medical insurance (if possible with card).
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post Jun 8 2020, 03:01 PM

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Is there any traditional medical plan for lady cover medical bills and hospitalization for person age 64 years old this December?

For traditional medical insurance, will the policy holder get any payout (cash value/dividend) when they terminate or mature?

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Any AIA agent can clarify what is Critical Illness Type 2 Coverage? How do we know the Critical illness insurance should go to 100% medical or 100% life and 60% life while remaining 40% to medical for tax reporting purpose?

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post Jun 8 2020, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 8 2020, 04:16 PM)
Refer to the annual statement.
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That is the note from the Premium statement at the bottom. The insurance type is Critical illness.

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post Jun 8 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 8 2020, 04:31 PM)
The annual statement will auto summarise for you how much went for medical and life separately for the year. Then key in that amount entitled under your exemption.
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There is no summary. It only stated the policy holder name, policy number and the picture I attached previously (plan name, coverage type and the premium paid).
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post Jun 8 2020, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jun 8 2020, 10:39 PM)
hi BlackberryBlack, so long agent can justify the reason why you wanna get the new policy, then it wouldn't be a problem. of course the agent's justification must be also verified by you and signed by you. this section is stated in the new insurance application actually.
hi edwin, if you are very sure that is the coverage amount and term you need (10 years), then yes it is worth to get a 10 years term life insurance.
for standalone medical insurance, there is no fix premium throughout the coverage. you can check in this few brochures for their plan benefits and premium rates.
Great Eastern standalone medical card online
Prudential standalone medical card online
AXA standalone medicl card online
AIA standalone medical card online
hi moiskyrie, in this case, perhaps you can look into whatever liabilities you have, one of the basic thing that life insurance helps to cover is actually to clear your liabilities.
it depends on the purpose you bought it for. basically treat it as a savings plan more than protection as the protection element is not as great compared to usual ilp plan.
end of the day decision is of course still yours, you just need to make the correct decision for yourself after analyzing what other options is better for you.
hi rocketm, are you referring to standalone medical card?
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Yes, whether to have medical card might not be important as what I understand is without the medical card we need to pay first then claim with the insurance company with the bills, while doctor will charge higher price if notice the patient is having the medical card thus reduce the annual limit.

It is for my mother, 64 this December, still working, no medical history before only have joint paint (if I could remember correctly).
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post Dec 19 2020, 08:49 PM

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Hi guys,

Is it possible to change my credit card details from MyAIA online portal so that I can continue to have auto debit payment through the new credit card? Previously, I have registered a credit card for auto debit.

Can you tell me the steps and anything need to be aware of?
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post Jan 14 2021, 04:13 PM

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May I know medical and critical illness insurance bought before covid-19 time (before 2019), which one will compensate if the policyholder positive to covid-19?
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post Jan 14 2021, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Jan 15 2021, 12:00 AM)
For medical plan, only Hospital Benefits or Hospital Income (depending how your policy name it) entitle for claim if admitted to hospital.
example RM100/day

Fyi, Covid19 doesn't fall under Critical Illness category. So it won't be claim under CI policy.

Generally medical plan exclude coverage for any communicable diseases requiring quarantine by law. (Covid19 under this).
Early of 2020, insurance companies came out with own statement to waive covid19 exclusion by own T&C.

As for GELM, waive the "quarantine" exclusion for treatment related to covid19 in hospitals within Malaysia. That's why hospital income can be claim if you have the rider.

What happen to medical fees if admitted to private hospital as government requesting support now? No firm answer in hand .. got to wait for more info.
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Thank you for the clarification.

May I know what is GELM?

In summary, covid-19 cases only covered by medical insurance with the terms and regulations set by each insurance provider. But policyholder can use the hospital income or hospital benefit (if any) under their medical insurance plan to cover only the cost of quarantine.

Besides the hospital benefits, what other coverage from medical insurance that is eligible for Covid-19?

If the positive covid-19 person died then is go straight to the life insurance.
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post Jan 14 2021, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 15 2021, 12:08 AM)
It'll be covered as long as you're not gotten the covid 19.

Benefit wise depends on which company you're with
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My concern is when gotten covid-19 biggrin.gif
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post Jan 23 2021, 10:48 PM

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Does MyCTF claim for covid-19 test (first time) is still accepting claim?

Does individual with life insurance able to enjoy this benefit?

How high the possible to get claim if having medical and CI insurance with complete document for submission?
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post Jan 23 2021, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 23 2021, 11:57 PM)
You can browse their website individually and see which suits you. The insurance company have made it easy for you to go to their website to choose the plans
Medical insurance policyholders and takaful certificate holders may apply for reimbursement up to a maximum of RM300 for COVID-19 testing (one reimbursement per individual) to maximize the number of tests that can be supported by the CTF.

Requirements & Eligibility
Insurance policyholders and takaful participants with group/individual medical and health insurance policies and takaful certificates who undergo COVID-19 tests at recognised private labs listed on MoH's COVID-19 website.
The CTF reimbursement is limited to one test per policy/certificate holder only and the reimbursement period is valid until 30 June 2021 or earlier, if the fund is fully utilized.
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Thanks for your reply.

I saw this in the website too.

Does the medical and health insurance including life insurance?

As the available fund is not available to know by public and the processing time as stated in the website is 14days, then how high possible does people (starting in this year) can claim through this campaign if they have fulfill all the requirements?

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