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post Dec 5 2020, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2020, 06:12 PM)
hi, insurance SIFUs....
as per the post on
"Hi, I'm curious on how the premium price is determined. There seems to be no standard reference. Does it mean agent can put a higher price to earn more commission?"

can it be ascertained/confirmed that...will the quoted premium be the SAME if everything is the SAME just different agent?

same coverage, same insurance company, same benefits, same age, ALL same same except different agent?
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make sure you are sitting beside agent and not opposite him when he is calculating the premium.
as some agent can secretly round up the amount before showing it to you.
a good agent will always explain to you first / get your consent before he perform such adjustment. icon_idea.gif

all agent is using the exact same quotation system , if all coverage is same for the exact same profile.
yes the auto quoted premium from system is exact same across the board regardless of agent.

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post Dec 5 2020, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2020, 08:28 PM)
thanks for telling....  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

as for this
"make sure you are sitting beside agent and not opposite him when he is calculating the premium.
as some agent can secretly round up the amount before showing it to you."....

how many % of the increase in premium, can he deviates from the "system priced quotation" since i think the premium should be "automated" once the parameters are keyed in... hmm.gif  hmm.gif

the "Extra charged" on the premium will be outside of the company system?
but you just mentioned
"all agent is using the exact same quotation system , if all coverage is same for the exact same profile.
yes the auto quoted premium from system is exact same across the board regardless of agent."

:confused:  rclxub.gif
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For example all agent use the system and auto calculated as rm189 per month , agent can edit this 189 to 200 or 250.

This extra serve as an extra saving into your account that you can withdraw in future or use to offset your premium if suddenly you are in a tight cash flow.

What I mean is agent should inform you or get your consent should he perform such editing.

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post Dec 5 2020, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 5 2020, 08:57 PM)
thumbsup.gif thanks for clarifying.... rclxms.gif

then it just mean the quoted price will be the SAME...if the SAME parameters are keyed in
just that the agent can make minor adjustment to the benefits to round up the price with the consent of the prospects.....which would resulted in NOT SAME parameters..
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The life / medical benefit are still same.
For example Ali and muthu both getting rm189 quotation, for the exact same life & medical benefit.
But Ali choose to pay rm200 and muthu choose to stick with 189.

Ali will get extra rm11 savings per month parked inside his account. The coverage for both Ali and muthu still the same.
Just that Ali will have extra saving inside his insurance account.

From agent side , he is not editing the coverage or benefit. He just modify the premium paid from RM189 to RM200 like that only.
Meaning from insurance company perspective , this customer willing to pay more & serve as an extra savings.
This savings can be used as extra investment funds , saving for future withdrawal , savings for future premium holiday if needed.

Other sifu may correct me if I’m wrong.

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post Dec 6 2020, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Dec 6 2020, 02:21 PM)
Pls review my thoughts

As of now, i am currently covered sufficiently by my company for medical and life

If i were to retire in the same company at say 60, and then get medical and life, would it b feasible?

What is the premium difference if i bought since 30 and the price of the premium at 60 compared to when i buy at 60?
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we cant predict the quotation 30 years old later as the price will be fluctuate a lot already.
if assume we are comparing as of now , a 30 years old vs 60 years old , both exact same profile & healthy
with the exact same sustainability and exact same benefit

price for 60 will be around 2x-4x of 30 years old.
above price is just agak agak only for your assumption , case to case basis

rule of thumb for purchasing insurance is during healthy & as young as possible to avoid those risk.
once we are diagnosed with illness / or have some pre existing condition from accident;
that time it will be very hard for us to purchase insurance already , insurance company may not accept your case anymore.

that is why even government next year is allowing citizen to withdraw epf for purchasing life insurance.
to emphasise the importance of it even everyone is tight on budget now.

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post Dec 7 2020, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Dec 7 2020, 11:35 AM)
Hi ckdenion. It from takaful malaysia. I can generate the price online on their website for my 6 years old son for example and it about RM58. Room and board RM200, 100k annual with no lifetime limit. I even can put deductible if I want to.

What do you think?
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hi kazekage_09 have you checked with prubsn takaful as well ?
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post Dec 10 2020, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(jxly55 @ Dec 10 2020, 10:04 PM)
Hi,

My sister (26) is planning to get a medical card and critical illness policy. She is contemplating whether to go for a standalone medical card first which is cheaper or ILP which bundles up life + medical card + critical illness. For now she does not have any dependence, so is thinking that is it really worth it getting an ILP life insurance..
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jxly55 Try to get advises / quotation from few different agent and make the wise decision. rclxms.gif
Age 26 is still consider a very young entry age. The differences wont be significant.
If budget allow , go for ILP instead , much more flexible , anytime can edit policy to suits your needs
Accumulated cash value inside the account can be used in the future in case of emergency such as withdrawal , premium holiday , saving for old age medical costs.

Regarding dependency wise , if she really on tight budget
-she can put a low sum assured on life ( this can be added anytime if she change her mind )
-she can put a high sum assured for critical illnes
-add a suitable medical card that suits her budget and needs

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post Dec 11 2020, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Dec 10 2020, 11:51 PM)
I came across GE smart medic million campaign at GE official website. Does GE promises the extra 2m annual limit is free for whole life if we sign up before 31 december?
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when somethings is too good to be true , must download the brochure and look thru those tiny wording that stated the exclusion or remark thumbup.gif
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post Dec 16 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Leroi2x @ Dec 14 2020, 06:42 PM)
Hi all ,

I having a allianz medical card with monthly premium of 220
Would like to fully utilize the 3k medical tax relief
So now im short of 360 to meet my 3k

I remember we may opt to a one time top up premium which will be 95% allocated to the investment portion

Would this consider into the medical portion when i receive the yearly statement for tax relief?

Any idea how i can do for the top up premium?
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instead of one time top up premium which you get nothing apart from cash value
why not use that money for endorsement ? at least you can upgrade your coverage
at the same time you can fulfill your 3k tax deduction coming years...
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post Dec 18 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(weidasdnbhd @ Dec 17 2020, 09:57 AM)
I see, I thought every agent has access to my policy, they can perform policy sustainability and quotation using Allianz system for me if I give them the figure.
My agent sounds unhappy and hanged up my phone when I turned down her proposal. That's why I asked other agent's help. Indeed she can explained to me if I still doubt.

P.S. The branch can do the quotation, even the counter staff? What if I call Allianz general line? Will it help?
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Bro this kind of agent you better change asap. Imagine if you want to make a claim and you unable to contact your agent for assistance.
*sounds unhappy and hanged up your phone when you turned down her proposal* mad.gif mad.gif

Try to walk in to branch or find a reputable alianz agent from LYN. You can always request transfer of agent anytime.
However , new agent couldn't get any commission as it is tied to old agent.

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post Dec 20 2020, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(AgentVIDIC @ Dec 20 2020, 03:00 PM)
Oh vip service? What's that?

Saw from allianz fb a lot of negative comments about hard to claim and allianz asked a lot of documents
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Hi bro , i can share you my experience , the claim speed really depend on all party follow up skill + all document is completed during submission.
My friend took 3 month to claim due to incomplete document submitted / agent did not inform client / client also unaware;
Delay mainly due to slow response from all party when submitting the claim.

Another only took about 2 weeks settle because his agent perform a checklist on what document is needed;
assist customer on what to do,what document to prepare before submit.
After submit , constantly follow up with customer service to make sure the claim is processing.

i believe alianz, aia, prudential, others insurer also the same , it really depend on case to case basic / what type of claim perform / amount of claim.

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post Dec 26 2020, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(mataharih @ Dec 25 2020, 12:13 AM)
Thanks again for your helpful advice, CK. Will stick with my current Pru plan.  smile.gif
Thanks Cyclopes.
Thanks, Ewa. I have decided to keep my current Prudential plan.  biggrin.gif

Thanks again everyone for giving me very helpful advice. Have a good holiday!
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hi mataharih , just to add on , dont simply surrender your old plan because
i) some of the add on in old prudential plan is quite good and no longer can be purchased in new plan
ii) by upgrading existing prudential plan vs purchase a new prudential plan [ let's say both same coverage ]
The price is definitely much more cheaper for upgrade instead of purchase a new

if the issues is on servicing agent and not the product , you can always request transfer of servicing agent to another person.

For policy editing , you can always :
i) remove any add on in your existing prudential plan
ii) upgrade/reduce the coverage of sum assured amount
iii) add new stuff that is available in new plan , so that you no need to purchase new policy
iv) decrease or increase your premium paid amount
*however above can only be edit if you are healthy

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post Dec 30 2020, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Mike.Chang @ Dec 30 2020, 11:01 PM)
Any advantage to this plan? Really that good or not?
I'm a University Student, with little knowledge on insurance, going to graduate soon in 2021 May.

My insurance agent been bugging me to upgrade to this Medical Plan, since I recently changed the ownership of my plan under my name for above 18++ from my parents name.
Because he claims economy getting worst, and insurance company won't "give" such a good plan anymore in the near future...

First time getting these type of plans. Any advice and precaution that I will need to be warry about?



https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...quiry-form.html

The Brochure is below:

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...on-brochure.pdf

Deadline is tomorrow. sweat.gif He say can give me 15 day cancellation. But dunno what's the T&C.
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Mike.Chang
nowadays a lot of marketing gimmick to attract customer to sign up new plan.
maybe you can ask back this question to yourself ? is 3M limit really needed ?
this is medical coverage charged by hospital not the lumpsum payout to you
since covid is getting serious for next year , i believe bank negara will impose some new term to help consumer next year.
Maybe wait next year ? since tomorrow already 31th
hope other GE Sifu can advise as well

by the way , you can scroll back to page 109 , there is a similar discussion on this promotion from GE earlier

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post Dec 31 2020, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(Mike.Chang @ Dec 31 2020, 01:38 AM)
My parents signed me up for "MULTICARE - WHOLE LIFE WITH SPECIAL CASH BONUS" as a baby.
Until now the thing pay for itself.

Only cover life/death. No Med Card, my agent urge me to get one Med Card as mentioned as the promo plan.
I do not really get all those insurance terminologies yet so bare with me ah  rclxub.gif

As mentioned by tyenfei RM 150-200 monthly is abit over kill for my wallet lah, since Im not working now also... sweat.gif
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It’s good that you already start reviewing your own coverage while you are young . Many don’t even bother and only start look into it when they start working.

If you feel don’t want burden your parent to upgrade the policy for you then you may wait until you are capable for it.
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post Jan 6 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(milleu @ Jan 6 2021, 10:44 AM)
it's like a mediator setup by bank negara when your claim is rejected after appeal to insurance.

my son after 3 years was diagnosed with a congenital condition.

initially he was admitted to pantai and doctor think it was cancer. as the situation was escalating rapidly doctors were unsure what to do for treatment and advise better for me to transfer to hukm asap

so we transferred by ambulance and because insurance was late to approve since the day before i paid for the ambulance myself

insurance now refuse to pay for the ambulance on the basis it is congenital. i said it wasn't fair to judge the claim because at that point it was still cancer diagnosis.

also i am not satisfy with the definition of congenital.

my son did not show any symptom at all and i think i like to seek second doctor opinion because it goes away after no treatment.
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hi you can always re-appeal to your respective insurer , some customer they hire lawyer to do so. And fight for the claim.
there are success case and fail case depend on scenario and record proof from hospital.
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post Jan 6 2021, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(milleu @ Jan 6 2021, 12:08 PM)
yeah that what i find it weird because i check with my obgyn and he said it was not possible to diagnose if it doesn't show up in scan meaning it has to manifest physically.

and until now doctor not sure what trigger or why it goes away.

i mean we can't all put in under congenital condition simply.

i appeal twice and second appeal they didn't even bother to reply. make me upset. i waited 60 days before i can submit to the OFS

my agent also so blur keep saying he does not know how to help me. bla2

i had to take things into my own.

i'm afraid in future insurance can simply waive any claim because they can say the root cause is the congenital.

yeah your idea getting report card from the hospital during birth is very good. in fact i do see the paed regularly from he was born. i will ask him to do so when i see him next week.
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hmmm your servicing agent should at least help you understand your case more , report to agency managers / leader for further help.
some of the agency manager have directly connection to the top management of insurer and see whether can help appeal your case or not.

if the baby born from private hospital like sunway , they will issues a full details on baby health condition including congenital during discharge.
plus the combination of supporting letter from your gynae doctor. I think is a very good win against this claim.

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post Jan 6 2021, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(seesawseen2k @ Jan 6 2021, 03:53 PM)
hisifu
plan to upgrade my old prudential plan (increase protection, reduce investment part)
Is there any upgrade promotion I can wait for?
Thx

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hiseesawseen2k , normally upgrade old plan called endorsement whereby hardly have any discount.
those heavily promoted is new plan purchase only whereby got cashback / newbies

i suggest you can compare price of upgrade vs price of existing plan + new plan.
then you can make a wise decision rclxms.gif
prudential today just launch a new product , you may have a look
https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-l...rueasy-protect/

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post Jan 29 2021, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(anhydrous @ Jan 29 2021, 06:51 AM)
hi experts,

is it normal for Prudential to suddenly increase your monthly premium for medical card stating that they are revising the prices due to changes in cost of health care bla bla bla (price increase almost 20%.
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hi anhydrous yes it is normal , not just prudential but all insurer , especially covid claim this year
i forsee next year might have another round of repricing

if you feel burden due to repricing , you can adjust all your policy section by reducing benefit.
FYI normally its the medical card portion that cause this repricing
those that did not attached medical card into their plan wont get repricing much.
For example : life , accident , illness hardly get adjusted from time to time.

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