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jacky1678
post Jan 4 2021, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Jan 3 2021, 10:15 PM)
Insurance is generally a risk transfer instrument. Good that you have transfered the mortgage risk via MLTT. What about your loss of income if you are not able to work due to illness or accident?
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very good question which i had struggle before dude.

basically it is about the same. That is the reason protection need to be manage well whenever u buy an insurance.


Cant denied that the medisaver program does not really provide so call waiver to the insurance , which u need to pay continuously till u die.

but if you study detail.... the protection is consider good enought compare to the market which none of the insurance company able to come out with such benefit of protections.


Ops, sorry , to anwer your question , therefore you need to managed well buy extra protection to protect your the rest of ur life in case anything happened to you.

from here , you may ask, then buy extra definately pay extra ? confused.gif

Well , cant denied it is biggrin.gif , but things not come free at all for other insurance company too. shocking.gif

you wan to make it free, pls work hard bruce.gif to find people join the program then ur insurnace consider waive for permenantly nd accidently it may become your side income too.



Then lastly i wanna remind thouse policy holder have the waiver option, it not come for free... it is just a easy option to make u feel relief in case anything happened to you. if u see clearly ur policy , it has the charges , that is first thing.

Second thing , you need to think about your protection. To me , i always focus on protections.
let say , touch wood, accidently i can not work for soemtime or illness i got it , then my policy still get waive and probably i got money claimed back from 36 illness or maybe total disability and etc (wow how nice).

Now the question come to you , how much your protection really help you ? [old policy ? or new ? if new maybe still substain a while]
Does the protection allow to cover you when u have problem with other illness or maybe the one of 36 illess you had claimed ?? what if not enought ?? you going to fork our ur money again ?


Think twice , thing nvr come free wink.gif



No products is perfect , is depend on how u think and what choice do you make.
i feel this product can relief me from paying extra premium , which it can save my money but not putting into investmentlink which i really thinks is not a smart choice for me , and some tell me buy medical card from investment link can get back money [at this point, you really need to study deeply you really can get back money or not , or you need to top up to substain your existing policy ? vmad.gif ]. Well , to me i nvr think of buying medical card is a saving plan, to me is just buy a protection for emergency case which no need allow me to fork out the own pocket money. Simplet as that nod.gif

This post has been edited by jacky1678: Jan 4 2021, 10:32 PM
jacky1678
post Jan 4 2021, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 3 2021, 12:21 PM)
I dunno what is this mxm company. I think mxm is like the broker.

Lonpac itself is a reputable general insurer and experienced. More experienced in fire insurance lo, because of public bank as owners ma.

I actually wanted to purchase from lonpac for my mother but got declined. I left my number on their website and they called me after that.

You can go to lonpac website itself and look at the other options available. And can read through the PDS.
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Dont get confuse dude, cant denied lonpac is partner of MXM.

However the program inside is little different from lonpac , meaning the coverage distribute by MXM is different from u buy directly from lonpac.

intially i thought the same like u MXM like a broker , haha biggrin.gif
jacky1678
post Jan 5 2021, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(milleu @ Jan 5 2021, 05:46 PM)
does anyone have experience disputing insurance claim before?

i hit the wall with the insurance

now submitting to the OFS.wonder if you guys have any experience with OFS?
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i think , most people no idea what is OFS .. haha.. i myself also no idea what is this man.


mind further elaborate your story about ur OFS ?
jacky1678
post Jan 6 2021, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(milleu @ Jan 6 2021, 10:44 AM)
it's like a mediator setup by bank negara when your claim is rejected after appeal to insurance.

my son after 3 years was diagnosed with a congenital condition.

initially he was admitted to pantai and doctor think it was cancer. as the situation was escalating rapidly doctors were unsure what to do for treatment and advise better for me to transfer to hukm asap

so we transferred by ambulance and because insurance was late to approve since the day before i paid for the ambulance myself

insurance now refuse to pay for the ambulance on the basis it is congenital. i said it wasn't fair to judge the claim because at that point it was still cancer diagnosis.

also i am not satisfy with the definition of congenital.

my son did not show any symptom at all and i think i like to seek second doctor opinion because it goes away after no treatment.
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i agreed with you .... the word congenital is really nonsense to me ...

once u born , u have it then it is pre-existing illness , why telling me after 3 year only discovered it ? soemthing not making any sense....

or your son is just 3-4 year old now ?

now there is only one thing you can do which is try to proof ur son is not congenital condition [cancer illness] from other specialist and any black and white which is valid to support ur son is what the doctor said. console.gif


But bear in mind if the cancer previously has spotted then recovered and it come back again.. then the insurance has right to reject your claims. i think most insurance practise the same.
jacky1678
post Jan 6 2021, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(seesawseen2k @ Jan 6 2021, 03:53 PM)
hisifu
plan to upgrade my old prudential plan (increase protection, reduce investment part)
Is there any upgrade promotion I can wait for?
Thx

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Let me share with you the the medisaver program which i recently joined.

you may take a reveiw on the following link about the benefit u entired if you joined the program :

https://www.mxm.com.my/wp/wp-content/upload...VIP-Leaflet.pdf

https://www.mxm.com.my/wp/wp-content/upload...-Leaftlet-1.pdf

https://www.mxm.com.my/wp/wp-content/upload...let_FA-o-02.pdf


just have extra info for you to make comparison , no harm icon_idea.gif
jacky1678
post Jan 15 2021, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(anhydrous @ Jan 15 2021, 07:32 AM)
Dear experts,

what kind would be my Life insurance, TPD and PA coverage if i am willing to pay about 2500 - 3000 MYR per annum?

40yo, non-smoker, no pre-existing
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here is for your reference.

u may do comparison for other insurance company dude.

https://medisavers.my/wp1/wp-content/upload...rs-leaftlet.pdf
just look at your PAsaver 2# , price is show at bottom in Annual , if u r damn rich , maybe u can look at PASaver 1.

Cheer cheers.gif
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post Jan 15 2021, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 15 2021, 03:47 PM)
Here is some community service announcement in regards to MXM since someone promote kao kao recently in here (or from time-to-time, last fella that came in here with it was 3 years ago).

For the benefit of any new comers or future readers:

Sos:
1. http://aididmuaddib.blogspot.com/2011/03/m...im-piramid.html
2. http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php?topic=45830.0
3. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1146592/all

I would like to begin with some of the sources above so I'm not quoting out of no where.

The background of MXM is an MLM company which the members tries to get you to join them as a member to buy their insurance.

Do take note that the "members" may not have the license issued under LIAM / PIAM but are distributing the insurance plans via direct marketing.

Therefore as a potential consumer who is looking for insurance, take it with a pinch of salt that you may not get a professional advise from their members, they may not be liable as well for any mis-selling since they're not licensed under LIAM/PIAM as a member.

You may instead, go directly with the insurance company that they're partnering with instead of joining their MLM scheme in order to benefit on the medical plan (if you decided that their plans meet your requirements).

I do welcome any further info if the info above is inaccurate, do kindly provide sources / newspaper cutting / online article to substantiate your points.
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To be honest , i joined this becoz i see the need of myself.
and if u have doubts, is good to obtain the information from internet la but as u know also .. too much informative is also misleading your understanding.
So at here , i dont think i able to explained well here of all ur question , becoz once i answer , you will other question to ask back.

i strongly recommned you attend the zoom every Thursday night which is ready provided explaination about everything for this membership program.
i think by this can easily clear your doubts for sure.

coz i can see really many people around us still have lot misunderstood about this program or perhaps u can say MXM company as well.


i pm you the id and password and hope you spend a little time to attend and listen the speaker for your understanding

Disclaimer " For your understanding purpose i dont asking u to join ya "


Thank you notworthy.gif




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post Jan 16 2021, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jan 16 2021, 02:51 PM)
yo jacky, nothing wrong promoting medisavers. i do refer some of my friend to get it from medisaver for those with tight budget. only thing to clarify is MXM is not an insurance company and it's not regulated under LIAM and BNM (correct me if im wrong). thanks for sharing info, at least we know what's available in the market. icon_rolleyes.gif
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no really bro, it does under Piam License otherwise wont have other insurance agency cari makan jump over to join this business models.

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post Jan 17 2021, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 16 2021, 03:53 PM)
user posted image

The above is the list of members under PIAM, MXM is not enlisted.

user posted image

As mentioned, MXM operates under the MDDA.

I understand that you are trying to relate that they are partnering with the insurance company. However, are the members licensed under PIAM and being regulated under the Code of Ethic?

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Sos: http://www.mdda.org.my/faq.php

As per the definition and explanation on the difference between direct selling & direct marketing from MDDA.

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What's the history about MDDA ? the above picture says it all, MLM.

As for whether the members are regulated by PIAM, it's best for MXM to furnish any evidence / letter showing their members are regulated by PIAM & requires any new/existing members to sit through the PIAM exam to be licensed before they are allowed to distribute the insurance plan. This will be good to provide confidence to the general public.

The thing is that, anyone who wishes to advise and to sell on insurance in Malaysia are required to license under LIAM/PIAM and undergo CPD training before they can officially engage and solicit for business with regards to insurance. I don't see how someone just pays a membership fee, get some brochure, and start selling a Financial products. If yes, I do wonder why ppl still need to get themselves licensed and be regulated by BNM if ppl can just join an MLM to start selling.  sweat.gif
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under loanpac Sir. refer to your pm for more info , hope it asnwer u .
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post Jan 18 2021, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 17 2021, 01:17 PM)
Hey Jacky, thanks for providing me some details.

Based on your info given, the license holder is under Pathlab Health Management Sdn Bhd (PHM) which is the corporate license holder for Lonpac & MPI General.

However, the program is "outsourced/managed" to MXM and runs it like a MLM scheme instead of the normal insurance structure.

I'm getting a pattern here whereby, what you've shown me is that.

A (License Holder) ---> B (MXM - 3rd party)
- A says to B - Hey I got this product, help me market it/refer me cases, B runs a MLM structure, but to stay legal, B refers to case back to A for any signing.
- However in return, A pays an incentive to B for giving them the business.
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However, I am not sure to what extent the above regulation works as this is plucked from an insurance agreement contract under Life Insurance, I'm not sure if this is applicable to PIAM. But then again, since they are running as a corporate license holder, may not be applicable? Maybe an expert in this field can advise.

- B calls themselves "Advisor" - is this even legal to call yourself that if you're just a referee and you're not licensed under LIAM/PIAM?
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- PHM doesn't run recruitment for agents, instead, their agents are the "referees" who joins under MXM to bring in the business.
- In this context, I'm sure the referees has cross some lines to introduce the insurance plan as part of soliciting without a license.

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- Based on my findings, PHM is not a Insurance Broker as per http://www.mitba.org.my/EN/about.

Overall :-
I feel that there is something wrong / abuse in the system for this to get by without noticed by BNM for so many years..

Threads going back 10 years ago - https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1146592/all
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However, there was no longer follow up by mfikri77 after that.

If the above can be abused, any company can simply set up a MLM company, ride under a company/agent who has an insurance license. Get their friends/customers to refer cases and give them an incentive and get them to keep asking more ppl to refer and soon enough, the MLM pyramid scheme comes out. (Now look back at MXM, isn't that what it is?) - Food for thought.
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u tell me , in insurance company, the agency schema which is not using MLM??

that why i say , no matter how i asnwer here, you wont feel satisfy ...

why dont you direct attend the zoom which is free sharing information in order to clarify your doubt? becoz i only think from there experts able to fullfill what u want to know instead of writting so many story here doubt this and that which wasting your time, then come the end the asnwer from me you always not satisfy biggrin.gif
So strongly recommend you attend the zoom rolleyes.gif

To me is simple, i pay what i want, and they have the package , simple as that. if you doubt the claims will have issue , then u can take challege to question in Zoom or FB page and so on.

https://www.facebook.com/mxm.international/


if you really think this MXM have problem ....then it wont operate such long years dude and somemore recently get recognized by MSC otherwise if this program have probelm.. i believe it easily get sue already from long ago.


Lastly ,do me a favor Sir. i share the screenshot info to you , which is i dont want to show in public becoz if do so consider bridge the compliance law from my end.
Seeking your cooperation notworthy.gif notworthy.gif kindly remove the screenshot, appreciated your helps.
Thank you for your actions.



This post has been edited by jacky1678: Jan 18 2021, 01:02 AM
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post Jan 18 2021, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 18 2021, 09:26 AM)
Don't worry, there are plenty of other available screenshot, I've replaced it with an even detailed version.

I don't think it'll help much to discuss this further, I'll bring the case to BNM
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oh, okie, seem like u got from someone else.

i wonder what you wanna tell the problem with BNM ???

so you think this is an illegal business to bring to market ??

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post Jan 19 2021, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 19 2021, 01:49 PM)
Anyone has the Medisavers medical card? 
How is it like?
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this forum seem to be very sensitive about this program .... that why no one resposne to you . haha. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jan 29 2021, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(anhydrous @ Jan 29 2021, 06:51 AM)
hi experts,

is it normal for Prudential to suddenly increase your monthly premium for medical card stating that they are revising the prices due to changes in cost of health care bla bla bla (price increase almost 20%.
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i will say , all insurance company has the right to do that coz all of their policy written , they have the right to revise bla bla bla within 60 or 90 days during your renewal of policy. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE(den @ Jan 29 2021, 11:39 AM)
My sister also just got it yesterday, but I got mine since last Nov/Dec.

This is not the first time it got revised. I received such letter every few years. Only this time, they increased the premium without adjustment to the lifetime limit.  sad.gif
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ya , normal thing. beautiy of investment link biggrin.gif

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