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post Jun 16 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 16 2020, 10:43 AM)
Would like to ask a general question here

Assuming the COI/pax for my company's group insurance is high, does it make sense for me to withdraw the money and use that to buy my own personal insurance, as well as for my spouse (since group insurance covers spouse).

Edit: This is of course assuming the company is flexible in letting me do that
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It's a tax deductable expenses for the company. It's one way of keeping the staff loyal to the company too.
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post Jun 16 2020, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(arclynmen @ Jun 16 2020, 05:31 PM)
yeah, i'm paying the same amount but the policy will lapse earlier.
just doubt will they decrease the annual limit amount to claim or not lol
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arclynmen: The annual limit will be as per your original plan, as you will be charged full premium amount. However for standalone plan, not paying the revised new premium, will risk termination of the standalone plan.

QUOTE(responsible poster @ Jun 16 2020, 05:49 PM)
did anyone get the same for GE?

previously the agent showed a minimum quotable premium increase on June 1 2020

im just wondering for people who hold the policy before the increase, will they still get the old price or will the new price be enforced?
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responsible poster: Generally will follow the rates as per age band. If increase in age band will be the same as plan unless a overall increase that you will be notified in writing that your rates have being increased.
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post Jun 18 2020, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(zhuanko @ Jun 17 2020, 11:43 PM)
Guys, I'm in the middle of selecting life insurance between prudential and GE.

Both policy is quite similar to what I want, only the GE is thirty bucks more expensive.

The hearsay is GE claim is easier and faster than PRU? Pls share your experience.

Another question is, does PRU has the tendency to increase premium over period of time?

Thanks.
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Very unlikely the extra thirty bucks is for the hearsay 😂.

The higher premium may translate into higher cash value, try checking that out too.
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post Jun 20 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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Yes you can restructure your investment linked policy to retain the medical card. However for events such as disability (TPD), it's attached to your life policy. Thus removing the life insurance may not be the best option.

My reading of US based personal management books also says you should be insured for Xx numbers of your productive years. This is assuming they don't have saving like your good self. Not sure if your current net worth sufficiently meets that need.


QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM)
I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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You don't have to buy multiple term life to meet your '10 times of annual income'. One investment link policy can meet your needs.
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post Jun 21 2020, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(Unkelpipit @ Jun 20 2020, 10:42 PM)
Hi guys, what insurance plans is best for a woman at 40 yrs old with 02 kids age 17 and 13?

Should she get term insurance till 99yrs for herself and ILP insurance for her 2 kids? What add ons do you recommend?

Their whole family members do not know anything about medical insurance and only goes to govt hospital and so far no issue with payments saying its affordable and maybe because they are bumi. How best to explain this insurance things with them?

Thanks in advance guys
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Medical plan would be necessary for herself and probably start with medical card for the kids. Add on will depend on individual needs.
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post Jun 21 2020, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(shuqian6991 @ Jun 21 2020, 11:18 PM)
I am a 24 yo non smoking female with considerably high myopia, still in university, have not bought any insurance before, and want to buy medical insurance, what should I get? Preferably it covers critical illness.
Also, I feel stupid to ask, is there insurance plan that will pay for my medical fees such as consultation, treatment, tests, admitting to the hospital etc without having me to pay from my wallet first?

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One of the benefits of having a medical card is not having to pay from your wallet. But not all are claimable using the medical card as other have pointed out.
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post Jun 22 2020, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(jyjyjyjy @ Jun 22 2020, 12:08 PM)
Hi, I am a 26 y/o non smoker male who is looking to top up my life insurance coverage for RM500k. I am currently comparing the ILPs between:

1. Prudential PruWealth Max
2. GreatEastern SmartProtect Legacy Max
3. AIA A-Life Wealth Care
(I approached Allianz as well but it's ILP - PremierLink Advance is not as feature-packed as the other 3)

All the ILPs are of 5 years premium payment term and sum assured 500k with waiver rider. The monthly premium for Pru and GE is the same @ 1109, while the monthly premium for AIA is ~1165. Pru and AIA coverage term is until ANB70 (auto extendable to ANB100), while GE is until ANB100.

Can I get some feedback on which ILP should I go for? Coz currently I am only with Pru (Prulife ready policy) so I am not sure how the other 2 insurers perform in terms of stability in investment returns as well as the smoothness of claim process.
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Smoothness of the claim process would probably be similar across all insurers with complete documentations subject probably to administrative delays. As for investment returns, adequate analysis would help identify how best to obtain a better return, of course, there are no guarantees.

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post Jun 24 2020, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jun 24 2020, 09:44 AM)
Thanks for the response.

ILP is a red line I will not cross personally, I would rather keep it simple and pay minimum amount required to get insured.

But again, I don't have any dependants and not sure if it will remain this way for foreseeable future. And will RM 1M will be too much?
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Is RM 1M too much. Not if you do require that level coverage. Of course, it also depends on the insurer, if they are willing to take the risk.
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post Jun 24 2020, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Jun 24 2020, 06:54 PM)
Hey Guys, any advice on getting a group/family medical card for 3 people? Adults aged 59, 56, and 20. Or is it better to get standalone for each 3?
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Significant age gap between 50s and 20, better cost savings with each having their own.
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post Jun 28 2020, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(*MoonStone* @ Jun 28 2020, 08:34 AM)
I was attracted with this plan by then because the agent told me the cash value can be withdrawn after 10 years without any charges. And the cash value is almost same as I paid for the past 10 years according to the schedule shown, so I sort of think of it as a forced saving as well. But reading in forum, I feel like over insured but I’m not sure 🤔
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If the plan is marketed as a savings plan, the premium will be high, enough to have cash value equal to the premium paid.

QUOTE(*MoonStone* @ Jun 28 2020, 01:12 PM)
30yo female non smoker
400k sum insured
350k CI
100k early CI
100k care for mum
premium waiver

How much per year for above ILP in market now?
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A ILP would average RM200 per month onwards.
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post Jun 29 2020, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(jacsotong @ Jun 29 2020, 10:38 PM)
I'm 33 years old, just married second year & no kid yet. Existing got ILP with 70k life insured only.

Am thinking to add more protection on life insurance. Should i go for whole life or term plan? am considering the GE Great Term Direct plan....
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Both whole life and term life has its benefit... Depending on how you want to address your needs.

QUOTE(coldbasecamp @ Jun 29 2020, 11:11 PM)
Maybe I had wrong expectations towards agent (sorry in advance), because I thought agent is supposed to handle claim matters since I might be..... (touch wood touch wood touch wood).

So can I understand as if agent is located far away from the client then the agent might not be able to handle claim as effectively as the agent able to?
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There are agents who DO travel outstation to attend client needs, as conditions may vary, and with advance use of technology, some matters can be handle even from a distance.
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(tonyckt @ Jun 30 2020, 09:04 PM)
I bought GE life with death coverage 500k at rm150 monthly. Do we have cheaper package without investment link, purely death coverage. How much monthly premium will it be ?
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Check out term policies, might serve your need.
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post Jul 1 2020, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Bearberry @ Jul 1 2020, 04:07 PM)

Sorry but what is the main difference between standalone and term life insurance?
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Hi Bearberry.

My original reply to the post was on both Medical Card and Life Insurance.

Life Insurance can be Whole Life (eg Investment Linked Product, till age 100) or Term Life ( meaning you insure for a fixed shorter duration of 1,5,10,25 or 30 years). You insure your life against death.

Standalone, in that post, refers not to Life insurance, but to Medical Card.

If you want to cover only medical cost/ hospitalisation, than you opt for a standalone medical card.

If you want to cover both life and medical cost than you can opt for Investment Linked Product.

Standalone in essence means you are not pairing both life and medical card together in a single product.

Hope this clarifies.


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post Jul 2 2020, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2020, 03:11 PM)
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I bought this for my daughter before she was born. The insurance agent is kinda pushy. I'm paying around RM190 per month. PRUlink managed fund 2 value also like crap, around RM755 only after 3 years. I was thinking of buying a new policy and terminating this one. Any suggestion?
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It looks like crap, because bulk of the premium was used for the benefits? Choose wisely or might end up, in your words, with another crappy policy.

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post Jul 3 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion.

So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment?

Company A:
Monthly premium: RM180
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.)
PA: 50k
Medical card: Co-insurance RM300
(The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card)

Company B:
Monthly premium RM210
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.)
PA: RM50k
Medical card: Zero deductible

At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year.

I think that it's like a gamble.
Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card
OR
Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims.

Which one is worth the risk/gamble?
I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion.
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Only you know your family health history better. Which of the two gives YOU the better Critical illness cover? That may also help you if you need deductible or non deductible card.

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post Jul 6 2020, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(seesawseen2k @ Jul 6 2020, 02:00 PM)
Some said better upgrade with GE, some ppl said best to buy a new one. I am confused
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Good to go back to the same insurer, unless the upgrades do not fulfill your needs.
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post Jul 9 2020, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Jul 9 2020, 04:05 PM)
But she did offer to convert my hospitality coverage to another coverage (more comprehensive critical illness coverage) to not overlap, so have to assess that as well

however my feeling, serving 2 (or multiple) policy seems not financially wise. is there any practical consideration on doing so?
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You can consider to review Policy A to include what was in Policy B, and pay the additional premium, if any. It may be cost effective and more manageable.
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post Jul 15 2020, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(whirlwind @ Jul 15 2020, 11:26 AM)
Yup, I’m assuming that if I apply for the new policy in January next year and it takes max 2 months to get it approved, by Mac I would have the new policy and I’ll get surrender my old policy by end of Mac
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Appproval would be not an issue and probably approved within 1 week unless there are health issues.

Waiting period is different from approval period. Waiting period is, you have to wait for say 120 days after the policy is enforced to make a claim. The idea is you don't suffer from the illness during the waiting period. Waiting period varies for different illness/sickness, as some have mentioned here.
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post Jul 17 2020, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 17 2020, 11:50 AM)
if putting premium aside and looking from COI angle, can i assume that the medical COI will be the same be it a standalone or ILP, say for e.g. a healthy individual aged 40 has the following alternatives:-

1) standalone medical plan with annual limit of RM1mil
2) ILP medical rider with annual limit of RM1mil

from medical coverage standpoint only, is the COI the same for either options above?

if the above is true, then i foresee if the sustainability of an ILP is at stake in the future, one will have the flexibility to "restructure" his/her existing ILP akin to a standalone medical card, i.e. keeping only the medical rider and very bare minimum of life coverage?

ok seems like my 3 post per day is up. till the next 12 hours..
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Unlike ILP, the COI in the stand-alone medical plan is not separately categorised, thus comparison may not be simple. But your assumptions may be valid.
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 19 2020, 04:59 PM)
Hi all

Looking for advise for my wife life + TDP + illness insurance upgrade
Currently, she cover with
- 1.32m medical / annual / unlimited lifetime
- 300k life/TDP/illness

Last month, just diagnose with SLE but condition is very mild which only need take medicine to maintain the  situation

Now we looking to increase the 500k life/TDP/illiness coverage
(looking for good insurance charge and at least cover till 75/99 YO)

Need some opinion of what kind of plan we can consider?
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If it's recently diagnosed, insurers will be looking into how well it is managed/contained before offering any health plan.

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