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post Nov 15 2020, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(lowyat.my @ Nov 15 2020, 04:26 AM)
Ok good to know. But which in your opinion is the best for starters?
And I'm also curious, in what circumstances will payout not be granted? From what I learned in insurance part training in my previous job, say the client has heart problems, so if the client passes on, payout will not be given due to this as the cause of passing on. Someone can explain?
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While waiting for his response,...
In your this heart problem scenario....
To try to get a more realistic scenario for possible rejection circumstances, mind giving more parameters as....
What insurance plan are you refering to?
Is it life insurance or medical/health. Insurance?

How long after buying the insurance did the buyer pass away? (insurance policy did state the "hv to over the" wait" period.)
Is that health problem a pre existing condition before he apply to buy the policy? If yes, did he declare that during application?

Btw, mind telling what is Yr previous job? that requires you to learn abt insurance plans & the claiming T&C?

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post Nov 15 2020, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(hakim182 @ Nov 15 2020, 11:20 AM)
Hey guys, a quick question for the AIA insurance agents - Yesterday I had a brief presentation from an agent and she mentioned that for medical there will be a rm500 deductible. is this normal? I am looking for a comprehensive plan however that focuses more on medical and critical illnesses. Appreciate the reply in advance.
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while waiting for value added responses....
i think i read that, if you do not want deductible...the premium maybe abit more expensive...
just not sure if it applies to your "plan"
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post Nov 16 2020, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(lowyat.my @ Nov 16 2020, 04:50 AM)
This reply is for post #1970 and 1971.

This is what I heard from my trainer:

Let's assume Mr.X vapes, and Mr.X gets a protection plan. However Mr.X later passes on due to some disease caused by vaping. In a case like this, will Mr X get any payout since the complication happened due to his vaping and not other factors? As what my trainer mentioned,Mr.X won't get a payout since it's, how to say.. something he caused and not other factors.

A similar situation is like this:

Mr.Y buys life and/or medical insurance. But Mr.Y itchy backside drink until want to terbang. So he drive then bang until kong. Because he drink and drive until kong. In this case Mr.Y won't get payout right because he caused it and not someone else?

And is it by declaring as a smoker (and with a higher premium), the client can still be covered?

In my situation, I smoke but so far i managed to reduce by around 50%. Nowadays I smoke maybe around 12 sticks. not easy to do but I still tried. I do intend to kick the habit totally also. I have some high blood pressure also, which the doctor prescribed Amlodipine to help with it. Most probably the high BP is also caused by smoking? I do find that if I'm busy, I tend to not smoke for hours.

As to my previous job, I was in a call center for a bank. So we have to sell insurance products (eg. Credit shield and travel insurance) as part of our portfolio. So there will always be enquiries about what is covered, activation, exceptions, etc.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post,that the AIA calculator counts the premium the same whether or not you declare as a smoker or not.

Hope this clarifies.
Thanks!
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while waiting for "professional" responses,

for your above cases of insurance claims for death benefits due to vaping or drink driving,......my uneducated guess is yes can claim for death benefits from life insurance policy .....
reason being...even for a clear cut death due to suicide,.....can still claim death benefit (if the policy had been in force for > 12 months)
from as per this article
Can You Claim Death Benefit of Life Insurance Plan on Suicides?
https://kclau.com/insurance/commit-suicide-life-insurance/

on your question on "And is it by declaring as a smoker (and with a higher premium), the client can still be covered?"
"....you may scoff it off and think that medical insurance does not cover smokers.
As a part of the application procedure, all medical insurance will ask you to check off a box if you are a smoker in their application forms.
With that said, it does not mean a smoker will be automatically rejected when applying for a policy.
It does however, put an individual into a higher risk pool.

In circumstances like that, the yearly insurance premiums charged maybe a little higher or the insurance company may choose to have exclusions on certain diseases."
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/insurance/m...-right-now.html

on your post about "that the AIA calculator counts the premium the same whether or not you declare as a smoker or not."
it is always advised to declare and be honest up front when buying insurance to avoid complication in claims later.
btw, have you tried using a much higher coverage amount?....maybe the the premium may change?
or tried comparing the number of sticks per day scenario?...is the premium paid for a smoker that smokes > 40 sticks per day is the same as those that did not smoked ?

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post Nov 24 2020, 08:57 AM

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post Nov 24 2020, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 24 2020, 09:08 PM)
I've just received a hike in my premium for my Pru medical card, this is my 1st tiime, Pru claim it was cause by increase of medical cost, I want to know how often does this happen? is it a yearly matter based on past year occurrences.
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what is the quantum of increase for your case? (how many % increased from the "old" premium ?)

if you go thru some of these recent posting....there are complaint about that too....not only from Pru
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post Nov 24 2020, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Nov 24 2020, 09:34 PM)
hi gedebe, averagely 5-6 years in general. of course this is just an average estimation based on what happened in the past.
hi MUM, % increase based on paying premium is not so accurate because it depends also on the premium that policyholder started paying since the beginning. it can be low or it can be high. for example this round GE medical COI's adjustment is 40%-50% but in terms of premium adjustment it is not high because it depends on what is the premium they are currently paying and also how much cash value is accumulated (so this also depends on how long has the policy runs). not sure whether Pru show the COI adjustment table or not. i know GE does.
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but for a layman...it is the % of increase that directly affecting their planned budget.
sort of like vmad.gif ranting.gif ....for now will have RM50 lesser per month to spend on other things




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post Nov 25 2020, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 25 2020, 09:57 PM)
Hi what's the ideal insurance premium monthly for a family of 4?

With spouse and 2 children.

Life + Medical
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hmm.gif to me,...the ideal would be as much as i can afford..

how much can you spare to allocate monthly now without hesitation or second thought even if the premium were to increase later every few years?

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post Nov 25 2020, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 25 2020, 10:02 PM)
Idk. No experience in it before.

But I'd say coverage of RM1million life and RM1million Death + TPD for whole family should be a good start?

What's the monthly we are looking for if the above coverage?
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death and TPD = RM 1 mil
what about coverage amount for medical?
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post Nov 25 2020, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Nov 25 2020, 10:08 PM)
Are u agent? Could u get me a quote for:

RM1mil - Death and TPD
RM1mil - CI
300 r&b for each family member
Annual limit - RM1mil
Lifetime - unlimited
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no i am not an agent...
i think your provided info are now should be enough for real sifus that are interested to quote you.
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post Nov 26 2020, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 26 2020, 11:58 AM)
Hi friends,

May I know what other companies offer standalone medical insurance?

I am sourcing for a childhood friend of mine.
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googled and found this

Standalone Medical Cards
https://ringgitplus.com/en/health-insurance...ard/standalone/

hopefully you can find some insurance companies that offer it.
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post Nov 27 2020, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Nov 27 2020, 08:27 AM)
Likely, when you bought the policy the COI (current and projected)  was lower; and
1. with the increase in medical cost in the last few years
2. probably a higher medical inflation in future and
3. with the needs to comply with new rules on sustainability, warranted the increase in COI and premium; maybe.
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So, due to 1 and 2,....the COI need to increase to sustain the policy....PLUS 3 new guidelines....

thus the price hike is related to sustainability and not as "The price hike is different from sustainability because the hike affected every insurance company,"

hmm.gif come to think of it...it could be related partly due to the earlier premium paid...(as you mentioned "when you bought the policy the COI (current and projected)  was lower")
for company A could have charged a higher premium (due to higher COI projection) previously, thus they will do the price "Hike" review 5~10 yrs later while Company B charge lower premium previously thus will need to make price "adjustment" more frequently than Company A.

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post Nov 27 2020, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Nov 27 2020, 09:14 AM)
Your assumption on Company A and B is likely correct.

Also, the COI and premium, should increase hand in hand, to keep the policy sustained to whatever period you have chosen.
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hmm.gif so what is "now" the cheapest premium for the similar coverage comparison between insurance companies before buying it may end up not being the cheapest after some time too sweat.gif vmad.gif innocent.gif
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post Nov 27 2020, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 27 2020, 10:39 AM)
Bruh, it's like trying to say "Why buy an iPhone 12 now at RM6,699 when there is iPhone 20 with 50x the faster processing speed at RM6,699 say in Year 2030?"

Same goes with a car, same price, better model / looks / specs in the following years. You just can't compare it over time. The only thing is to upgrade it, that's all.
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so you meant you will buy a RM6,699 price Iphone 12 without comparing the specs with other makers like Huawei, Sony, Samsung? which for that same RM6,699 price may have "better" specs & features too.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 27 2020, 10:49 AM)
Sure, by all means if 2030, Samsung is better than Apple, buy Samsung, unless you're a die-hard fan of Apple right? smile.gif
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by 2030, what ever phones that we now bought would be obsolete, battery dead or spoilt bangwall.gif ranting.gif
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post Nov 27 2020, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Nov 27 2020, 10:56 AM)
Everything in this world has an expiry date, even the very computer you're using now typing is probably gonna knock off in a few years time. Technology advances, would you bang your head on a wall if your parents spent RM10,000 to buy a "Mobile Phone - Big Brother Big Phone" back in the 80s just to make a phone call without any smart feature as compared to a Smartphone now? would you say it was senseless back then ?

How about a flashdrive with only 50mb and cost RM1k when it was first introduce?

Advancement in time and technology waits for no one, if you're gonna mope about the past about old policies, you're free to do so. The insurance companies will continue to launch new things, whether you want to subscribe to it is really your personal preference.
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so with that,..the below post is still relevant

QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 27 2020, 09:28 AM)
hmm.gif so what is "now" the cheapest premium for the similar coverage comparison between insurance companies before buying it may end up not being the cheapest after some time too  sweat.gif  vmad.gif  innocent.gif
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post Nov 27 2020, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 27 2020, 02:41 PM)
Do you have the policy contract booklet with you?
Yes - great! You can get all the info in there.

No - you can request for a digital copy or even have it reprinted (at a cost).
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does the booklet contain the info that he seek?
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QUOTE(eeesiang @ Nov 27 2020, 02:31 PM)
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Just a simple thing, I wanted to know minimal amount of death benefits that I could adjust to, what was the rate like?
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post Nov 27 2020, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(jeffree bkt @ Nov 27 2020, 08:20 PM)
Hi insurance Sifus,
Recently, i received an email i need top up my premium due to inflation. My insurance under Allianz. Powerlink. I pay montly Rm150.The suggested amount increase by Rm115. 33. Been paying since 2015 Currently 29.
Here my questions.

1) Should i coutinue  pay 150 or fellow d suggested
    amt. My worry is later my cost of insurance will
    getting higher as age is increasing.
   
 
2)Should i surrender d policy?Look for more better ILP within my budget arround

3)or any good advice. Thx n appreciate.
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wow....from 150 to 265.33 per month, that is about 77% increase doh.gif

try read back last few pages (for some almost similar situations) to get some info while you wait for responses...

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 30 2020, 01:48 AM)
I do not think is has anything to do with individual sustainability because the price hike happen for everyone for every insurance provider, my question is how many times in the past has this hike happened so i can roughly predict the frequency of future hike.
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no, not everyone...those that bought after the new guidelines are not affected.
well those that bought before the new guidelines on sustainability will be impacted ...how much ?...that depends if you had bought it "cheaper" or quoted lower due to lower sustainability level, now due to new guidelines will increase more.

how many times more will it come?....depends on the medical cost inflations.

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 30 2020, 02:06 AM)
this is so not tally with what my agent has mentioned, do u have any info for the new guideline and how come this report who did not mention abt it:
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...re-costs-go-up/
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googled and found this...
What You Need To Know About The New Regulations On Investment-Linked Insurance
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/insurance/w...-insurance.html

What to know about your investment-linked products beginning July 1. 2019

According to the document, “at the point of sale, a licensed person must ensure that premiums/takaful contributions are priced at a level where an investment-linked policy/takaful certificate is expected to sustain its coverage until the end of its contractual term”.

If the amount of premium is insufficient, O’Dell believes insurers could offer a few solutions. One is a higher premium in return for the same sum assured and policy tenure. Or, if the premium is insufficient, policyholders can opt to pay the same amount with the option of having a shorter policy duration or a lower sum assured.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/insu...eginning-july-1


https://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=57&pg=140&ac=781&bb=file

more...
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=...Q4dUDCAc&uact=5

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post Nov 30 2020, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 30 2020, 02:01 PM)
As mentioned, the above is sustainability for each individual and not the increase of premium for all medical policies.  My agent told me that all medical policies are affected.  Can you just let me know that is there any person whose medical premium not increase in this year?
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thumbsup.gif that is a GOOD question on "Can you just let me know that is there any person whose medical premium not increase in this year?"

hmm.gif sorry i cannot answer it as i don't know and hope others can helps you.....
but while waiting for answers to this question.....i was just wondering....will the CEO company A...knows about that statistic numbers to that question as in other companies B, C, D, or others.

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