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 Insurance Talk V6!, Everything about Insurance

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ckdenion
post May 23 2020, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 23 2020, 12:14 AM)
Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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hi rodeon, the plan suggested by HLA is not their wealth booster plan right? dont mix "returns" with the "MLTA" plan, will recommend that you get a separate plan to grow and accumulate your funds. those are actually just unit trust. for claims, the documents required are more or less quite standard.
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post May 23 2020, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:37 PM)
Hi,

Anyone, to help with MLTA?

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:52 PM)
Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance
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1. MLTA / MRTA is used for the purpose to cover loan in the event of death/ disability occasionally critical illness if you add on
2. It's suggested to cover based on your loan tenure
3. Basically the sum assured which is the amount to cover on your loan.
4. No guarantees

QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 08:47 PM)
awesome info! thanks for that.

Term MLTA I referred to fixed payment years and coverage is higher than paid years.

Pay for 10/20 yrs and coverage is for 30/40 yers.

Anyway, All I can see is Insurance is to protect the family and little benefit at maturity if we choose a high premium. 

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If you're looking to own the policy without having to worry about paying it beyond your 50s then paying shorter term would be ideal.

However if you're looking to reduce your short term cost then you may want to prolong your payment term longer.

QUOTE(rodeon @ May 23 2020, 12:14 AM)
Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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That will depends, I would normally get MLTA without hoping for high return as the purpose is to cover for the loan.

For returns, I would invest the money elsewhere.


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post May 23 2020, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 4 2020, 08:48 AM)
Good morning,

Yes, the cost of insurance will follow as per the table. The cost of insurance is not guaranteed. This is the current rate, any changes to these table, say three years from now, you will be charged the new rates with 3 months notice. That's the standard industry practice, same with other insurers also.
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applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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post May 23 2020, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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So far for life policies, increase of cost of insurance is rarely next to none (can't say in the next 20 - 30 years)

But if your policy is attached with a medical card then yes it will increase from time to time (normally will be reviewed every 3 months by the insurance company)
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post May 23 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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For term life, the premium will remain the same throughout the tenure of the term. Whereas for yearly renewable, the increase will be based on attained age, i.e. it will be higher as you get older and will be charged the prevailing premium.
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post May 23 2020, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 22 2020, 05:35 PM)
AIA's A-Life Wealth Care is an investment-linked plan. You need to check whether your agent quoted is based on age 70, 80 or 100 coverage which will affect the premium. The "savings" inside any investment-linked plan is used to pay off rising insurance charges in the future. Which means that the savings or cash value will deplete on its own when the insurance charges is higher than the return on investment.

If you plan to withdraw the cash value, it basically means that you are spending future money so technically it is not really savings. Make sure that waiver is included in the policy as well so when you are diagnosed with critical illness, you do not have to pay for the premium anymore (until the coverage ends).

When do you need life insurance?
1. If your family relies on you for the lifestyle they are living (including children for their future education).
2. You have debt (house mortgages and other loans)
3. You have a high-risk job
4. You want to build an inheritance for your family

Considering you currently have 3.2 million life insurance (1 mil + 100k + 2.1 mil), you may consider adding critical illness coverage which will pay you cash lump sum if you are diagnosed with critical illness. You can consider similar plans like SmartProtect Legacy Max from Great Eastern.
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Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death


QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 22 2020, 11:27 PM)
hi linkham, what is your main concern when she approached you for the RM1mil life insurance? do you intend to increase your protection more or accumulate your wealth more?
hi rodeon, basically if you are just focusing on your house loan, so long the coverage term can cover your house loan tenure (or more its okay also) and the life insuranceamount is also = your home loan amount, then its ok already. the returns in any investment vehicle is not guaranteed ya. the projection is always just an estimation.
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Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone

QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 23 2020, 03:50 AM)
Hi Linkham,
Is the proposal an addition to your existing life insurance or you intent to replace it for Allianz PremierLink?
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Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.

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post May 23 2020, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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I think your goals are pretty clear. In your policies mentioned earlier, you might need more critical illness coverage to achieve the complete protection you need. 5 years of income replacement or 300k critical illness (assuming monthly expenses: 5k) is a good start.
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post May 23 2020, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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Hi Linkham,

A-Life Wealth Care can be a good plan to realise your objectives. Let your Life Planner guide you on the additional benefits of the plan. Enjoy the extended festive holidays.
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post May 23 2020, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
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in this case perhaps you identify this 3 things.
1. how much life insurance amount you need to top up?
2. how much critical illness payout amount you need to top up?
3. how long coverage is the above 2 mentioned needed? example, until 70,80,90 years old.

with this 3 identified, it is easy to how to allocate your funds to buy insurance and allocate for wealth accumulation. of course you can also go through a detailed planning to identify the 3 above. wink.gif
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post May 23 2020, 11:28 PM

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Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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post May 24 2020, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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interesting. i'm considering GE as well. how did you get the feedback on negative claim experience?
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post May 24 2020, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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Hi linkham, in such case, it would be best to get more input rather than just put your thoughts into the wealth care plan as there are other solutions available to do what you intend to do but may yield a better result =)

QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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Hey, I may have a solution to your problem but may need more detail on your dad though
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post May 24 2020, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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usually yearly renewable term will based on age when it is renewed. level term likely will have fixed premium during the term of coverage. check the product illustration when agent quote you/you got the quote from website.

QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
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hi irving, i'd dealt with several insurance companies' claims before. so far GE claims are okay. if medical is your priority, perhaps you can ask GE agent to show you the standalone medical card. wink.gif

This post has been edited by ckdenion: May 24 2020, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Fragden @ May 24 2020, 12:30 PM)
Is there a medical insurance that cover visits to general practitioner? Panel/nonpanel etc..
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Under personal insurance, none

Unless you own a company or employed by a company then your company can apply for a company insurance and to include outpatient coverage for the employees then can
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post May 25 2020, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 24 2020, 11:06 AM)
interesting. i'm considering GE as well. how did you get the feedback on negative claim experience?
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Just doing some simple search on the forums:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3123872/+100


I dont mean to undermine any GE agents just basing my opinion on what i've read. GE name seems to be coming up more than most


I am with Allianz now but my agent recently quit. So any Allianz agents out there do drop a PM please

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post May 25 2020, 10:45 AM

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Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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QUOTE(jaredtay1994 @ May 25 2020, 10:45 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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You are only eligible to get relief on the following

RM4000 for life portion

RM3000 for medical / education

Instead of just for the purpose to maximize your tax relief but unknowingly buying a plan that may not benefit your current need. You should understand what is the best way to maximize your personal finances.
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post May 25 2020, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(jaredtay1994 @ May 25 2020, 10:45 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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Great Flexi Plus is similar to Great Flexi Wealth Plan. Both are saving plane.
The different, Great Flexi Plus come with waiver options.

Yes these plans got TPD/ accident dealt extra benefit.
But not under tax relief LIFE or MEDICAL portion .. assuming you refer to LHDN .. right?

This post has been edited by tyenfei: May 25 2020, 11:46 AM
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post May 25 2020, 12:10 PM

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hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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If you taking RM500K sum assured for minimum 20 years coverage (sounds like GE SWP20 for me)
You have the options to pay by 5 years/ 10 years / 20 years.

System will calculate the annual premium need to sustain your coverage.
If you choose to pay 5 years, for sure annual premium higher.
If you choose to pay in 20 years, for sure annual premium can go lower.

The different will be the projection cash value by year 20th.

Then why paying 20 years total cost higher in your case?
One of the reason, waiver benefits. Insurer need to calculate the cost to cover your premium if waiver benefit kick in.

You can't count every single cent try to earn the maximum when deal with insurance against risk.
Understand the formula, choose within your conformable budget.

This post has been edited by tyenfei: May 25 2020, 12:36 PM

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