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post Mar 4 2020, 06:57 AM, updated 6y ago

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Bank Negara issues updated exposure draft on licensing for digital banks
(theedgemarkets.com / theedgemarkets.com March 03, 2020 11:26 am +08)

KUALA LUMPUR (March 3): Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) has today issued an updated exposure draft on the licensing framework for digital banks that incorporates a simplified framework applicable during the foundational phase.

In a statement today, BNM said the simplifications aim to reduce regulatory burden for new entrants that have strong value propositions for the development of the Malaysian economy, while safeguarding the integrity and stability of the financial system.

"Digital banks will be required to comply with all equivalent regulatory requirements applicable to incumbent banks after the foundational phase."

Key features of the simplified regulatory framework include:

~ Capital adequacy requirement: The risk categories to calculate the credit and market risk components for risk-weighted assets under Basel II capital framework have been rationalised into simpler categories; and

~ Liquidity requirement: 25% of the digital bank's on-balance sheet liabilities must be held in high quality liquid assets.

BNM is extending the consultation period for the exposure draft until April 30.

It said all feedback on the exposure draft are to be submitted to the central bank by then. "Applications for new licence(s) will be open upon issuance of the policy document."


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bank...g-digital-banks

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A lot of borrowers not really understand the interest mechanism how to impact lending policy

A lot of borrowers misleading & miscalculating the lending cost

I will give you direct example :-


Scenario 1 :-

Mr.A has borrowed the loan from Bank during Dec'19, the bank offering him by BR + 0.50% = 4.25% (during Dec'19 period, BR only 3.75%)

So now Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) suddenly had announced 2 time interest rate cut (OPR cut), 1st cut at 23/01/20 by 0.25% and 2nd cut at 03/02/20 by 0.25%

Simultaneously Mr.A will enjoy lower interest rate charged by 0.50%, which mean now Mr.A can enjoy 3.75% home loan interest rate



Scenario 2 :-

Mr.Y now intend to apply home loan but unfortunately bank can offer BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (new BR is 3.25% after OPR cut 2 times)

So Mr.Y has asked the bank, why your bank still maintain offering 4.25% since BNM had already announced 2 times OPR cut??

The Bank officer told Mr.Y that, despite BNM had already cut 2 time OPR, it does not mean new home loan application can lower down the interest rate because now bank profit margin getting lower & lower

If, the Mr.Y taking the home loan right now, ie BR + 1.00% = 4.25%, in future Mr.Y need to absorb higher interest cost

The reason behind is because BR can adjust anytime but spread rate (ie +1.00%) is fixed for entire home loan, in other word, if next few years later BNM gradually increase back OPR at the same time BR also adjust back, let say gradually increase by 0.75%, so Mr.Y home loan interest rate cost become 5.00%


Now you know why NOT BENEFIT for those new home loan application sad.gif
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post Mar 4 2020, 07:25 AM

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One more important things

A lot of borrowers also wrong perception about the refinancing scenario

Most of the time, refinancing need to bear some cost, such as :-

1) Legal fees

2) Valuation report fee

3) MRTA or MLTA or MLTT insurance

^^ insurance cost will adjust or revise by respective insurance company every year subject to market conditions (like inflation, bank interest policy, economic factor)

If Mr.Y maybe wanted to refinance later, Mr.Y will need to bear the above costs (don't forget age factor also impact on the cost of MRTA insurance coverage)

At the end Mr.Y still bear higher cost in order to secure the home loan




** You think is it wisely to take up any new home loan right now ?????




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A lot of borrowers not really understand the interest mechanism how to impact lending policy

A lot of borrowers misleading & miscalculating the lending cost

I will give you direct example :-
Scenario 1 :-

Mr.A has borrowed the loan from Bank during Dec'19, the bank offering him by BR + 0.50% = 4.25% (during Dec'19 period, BR only 3.75%)

So now Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) suddenly had announced 2 time interest rate cut (OPR cut), 1st cut at 23/01/20 by 0.25% and 2nd cut at 03/02/20 by 0.25%

Simultaneously Mr.A will enjoy lower interest rate charged by 0.50%, which mean now Mr.A can enjoy 3.75% home loan interest rate
Scenario 2 :-

Mr.Y now intend to apply home loan but unfortunately bank can offer BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (new BR is 3.25% after OPR cut 2 times)

So Mr.Y has asked the bank, why your bank still maintain offering 4.25% since BNM had already announced 2 times OPR cut??

The Bank officer told Mr.Y that, despite BNM had already cut 2 time OPR, it does not mean new home loan application can lower down the interest rate because now bank profit margin getting lower & lower

If, the Mr.Y taking the home loan right now, ie BR + 1.00% = 4.25%, in future Mr.Y need to absorb higher interest cost

The reason behind is because BR can adjust anytime but spread rate (ie +1.00%) is fixed for entire home loan, in other word, if next few years later BNM gradually increase back OPR at the same time BR also adjust back, let say gradually increase by 0.75%, so Mr.Y home loan interest rate cost become 5.00%
Now you know why NOT BENEFIT for those new home loan application  sad.gif
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but also bank might decrease the BR for the new application tho
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post Mar 4 2020, 07:48 AM

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Yesterday many dupes were happy after receiving the news. Some even think it’s time to flip properties. Poor soul.
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post Mar 4 2020, 07:51 AM

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It might be 1 more round of OPR cut but not hurry

BNM also need to protect banks cost

If you look at past 20 years OPR in Malaysia, of course you will know how far can BNM further reduce interest rate

In fact not much room for further reduce


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post Mar 4 2020, 07:59 AM

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I am not blaming to any property agents or sale staffs

Most of the time they are sweet talk, not even understand the bank interest rate cost mechanism, so of course will approach buyers to buy now in order to enjoy lower cost

In fact, right now 2 BIG issue already put on the table

1st - interest rate cost for future

2nd - how much global economic impact on property market, most of the time when recession or turmoil come, property sector is the 1st sector heavily affected


** I am not advising you not to buy property, if buy for own occupation, it might wisely calculate the cost & right property

If your flip or investment wise, you need bear your own huge risk


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post Mar 4 2020, 08:21 AM

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Let me further elaborate the instalment for you

Assuming my property purchased is RM 500,000

Loan amount : RM 450,000 (assuming only property loan without other fees)

Loan tenure : 35 years

Interest rate offer : BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (after 2 times reduced by BNM) (current BR 3.25%)

Instalment amount : RM 2061 per month


Assuming BNM gradually increase back OPR (simultaneously BR also gradually increase back) by 0.75% later 3 years

new interest rate charged : BR + 1.00% = 5.00% (BR become 4.00% after gradually increase back to 0.75%)

New instalment amount adjusted : RM 2271 per month

** Assuming the new project need 3 years completion & vacant possession


You know how much need to bear extra cost each month if gradually increase OPR later !!


RM 450,000 x (5.00% - 4.25%) = RM 3375 per year

equivalent to RM 281 per month extra


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post Mar 4 2020, 08:36 AM

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it's good that disney boss clearly states the impact of the up and down of BR/BLR from OPR.
personally i always advocate when considering loan for housing, to add 2% to it and standby the funds accordingly.
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Agree with TS...


I just bought one condo..

My rate is 4.05%

Interest 1.30 %+ IBR 2.75%

Im so scared later after OPR increase

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post Mar 4 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(al_madd @ Mar 4 2020, 10:23 AM)
Agree with TS...
I just bought one condo..

My rate is 4.05%

Interest 1.30 %+ IBR 2.75%

Im so scared later after OPR increase
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Relax.

That is a very good interest rate.

And IBR not adjusted yet. Once adjust it’ll be 3.8%.

Steady.
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post Mar 4 2020, 10:49 AM

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Scenario 2 is highly unrealistic as it will be not a 0.5 % diff after 2 cut, a more realistic diff should be around 0.1%
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post Mar 4 2020, 01:14 PM

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scenario 2 means Bank get extra 0.25% profits margin because cost of borrow already reduced by 0.25% if maintain same rate as before.
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post Mar 4 2020, 03:14 PM

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Old loan tak kasi potong?
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post Mar 4 2020, 03:54 PM

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So far any good banks/SA for new loans can recommend ah? tongue.gif
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Very scared if we make new loan application and OPR increase back..
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Very scared if we make new loan application and OPR increase back..
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post Mar 4 2020, 04:19 PM

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the bank is offering 4.25% still despite the rate cut?
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post Mar 4 2020, 07:34 PM

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Too sad to say confirm no interest rate change for new home loan application despite OPR cut whereby announced by BNM yesterday (I have called my some bank officers to reconfirm)

That's mean, if interest rate offered before was BR + 0.75% = 4.25% (before base rate cut was 3.50%), now become BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (after base rate cut to 3.25%)

Bear in mind, during Jan'20 BNM had announced OPR cut simultaneously BR also follow the suit but same practice for majority bank (ie no change of interest rate offer for new home loan by that time)
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My personally point of view, I will feel very high risk if I intend to take up home loan right now

Since Jan'20 BNM already cut 0.25% & now OPR cut again 0.25%, which mean less than 2 months already cut 0.50%

So I need to bear the risk for future cost if BNM gradually normalise the OPR

Since majority commercial bank not willing to reduce home loan interest rate offer, after 2 times BNM OPR cut, no point to challenge current market unforeseen circumstances

Better wait, see & monitor approach to save our cost of living

Don't forget, home loan is always carry "BIG CHUNK" of debt for entire life rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Mar 4 2020, 03:14 PM)
Old loan tak kasi potong?
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Some banks practice with same installment amount but higher principal reduction on each installment. U need to monitor the monthly transaction to see tat.
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post Mar 4 2020, 08:09 PM

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If the respective bank not reduce your instalment, actual is indirectly assist you to reduce more principal amount

Did you know how much you need to pay for interest cost each month again your monthly intalment !!!

If your loan tenure is 35 years, at the starting point, interest cost already cover by 78% of your instalment amount, which mean only 22% can reduce your principal amount

Of course interest cost will gradually decelerated & principal amount cover will be accelerated but need longer period of time

In calculation based on my above scenario, if your instalment is RM 2061 then interest cost already RM 1607 per month, only left RM 454 amount to reduce your principal

So you think if I take the loan right now, unfortunately 3 years down the road, BNM going to normalise the OPR, what happen to my instalment !!! What happen for my monthly interest cost !!!


**Wisely investment or purchase is right now priority thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 4 2020, 07:50 PM)
Some banks practice with same installment amount but higher principal reduction on each installment. U need to monitor the monthly transaction to see tat.
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Pbe potong trus for last reduction, this time dunno yet.
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post Mar 4 2020, 11:30 PM

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I have been watching some members here still misleading for those people intend to apply the home loan

Please reconfirm respectively bank officer who assist your home loan application

You need wisely to ask what is the different right now (after Jan'20 & Mar'20 2 times OPR cut) compare with before rate cut


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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 4 2020, 07:34 PM)
Too sad to say confirm no interest rate change for new home loan application despite OPR cut whereby announced by BNM yesterday (I have called my some bank officers to reconfirm)

That's mean, if interest rate offered before was BR + 0.75% = 4.25% (before base rate cut was 3.50%), now become BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (after base rate cut to 3.25%)

Bear in mind, during Jan'20 BNM had announced OPR cut simultaneously BR also follow the suit but same practice for majority bank (ie no change of interest rate offer for new home loan by that time)
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Really? So bank follows the OPR cut by reducing BR, but increase the interest rate to maintain back the mortgage interest?

A few post back you also mentioned, when BNM announce OPR increase, our mortgage loan will hike more than expected example from 4.25 (BR 3.25 + Interest 1) to 5% (BR 4 + 1)??

Lol. Bank win liao lo
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post Mar 5 2020, 12:50 AM

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When year 2009
OPR is 2%

Still got space to cut rate
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https://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=mone&pg=mone_opr_stmt


If you look at above OPR decision, BNM even though aggressively cut rate to 2.00% during 2009 but very fast to normalise back to 3.00% in year 2011

Based on current offered by respective banks, even though 2 times OPR cut (BR also follow suit) but unfortunately spread rate increased back to normal the effective rate for new home loan applications

As I mentioned earlier, If I want to take up new home loan right now, quite high risk for the coming next few years once BNM normalise the OPR again

For those taken home loan before 2020, I can say congratulation to you all rclxms.gif

For those intend to take new home loan, I can say wisely to calculate your monthly budget future & risk factor how far you can undertake hmm.gif icon_question.gif


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Always remember "Historical Data" don't lie you icon_rolleyes.gif

Only Human always can lie you devil.gif devil.gif
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The for funny things is if I purchase new property, at least need to wait 3 years for completion & vacant possession

During construction period, I only serving interest charged by progressively completion of each stage

Even though, might be, this 2 or 3 years I can willing bear the risk of interest cost by 4.25% (subject to no changes on this 3 years) because still serving interest cost from small ticket of interest charged to gradually increase until VP

Unfortunately after I got my home key, going to start instalment, BNM going to start normalising OPR, so my instalment also gradually increased & monthly interest charged also increased icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

Don't forget right now supply more than demand market situation, if I want to rent out to cover my cost, rental market become more & more competitive ranting.gif


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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 5 2020, 07:42 AM)
The for funny things is if I purchase new property, at least need to wait 3 years for completion & vacant possession

During construction period, I only serving interest charged by progressively completion of each stage

Even though, might be, this 2 or 3 years I can willing bear the risk of interest cost by 4.25% (subject to no changes on this 3 years) because still serving interest cost from small ticket of interest charged to gradually increase until VP

Unfortunately after I got my home key, going to start instalment, BNM going to start normalising OPR, so my instalment also gradually increased & monthly interest charged also increased  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

Don't forget right now supply more than demand market situation, if I want to rent out to cover my cost, rental market become more & more competitive  ranting.gif
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Yes, Long road to go, so I don't think OPR is really matter for new project buyer like us, since all loan now is more on semi flexi, no point to care so much on this OPR, just pay the progressive interest and instalment, that it. hahahaha
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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 5 2020, 07:42 AM)
The for funny things is if I purchase new property, at least need to wait 3 years for completion & vacant possession

During construction period, I only serving interest charged by progressively completion of each stage

Even though, might be, this 2 or 3 years I can willing bear the risk of interest cost by 4.25% (subject to no changes on this 3 years) because still serving interest cost from small ticket of interest charged to gradually increase until VP

Unfortunately after I got my home key, going to start instalment, BNM going to start normalising OPR, so my instalment also gradually increased & monthly interest charged also increased  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

Don't forget right now supply more than demand market situation, if I want to rent out to cover my cost, rental market become more & more competitive  ranting.gif
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if you still getting 4.25% interest today... then you better go do some homework and get a better deal so you won't get a that bad of a hit compare to those who got it before the 0.5% drop. Be a smart consumer and not get shortchange by the OPR drop.


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If BR drop, but the particular bank increase the + rate, to normalise the drop in BR, then this bank easily lose a lot of business to other competitor.

When OPR drops, no matter how, borrower generally see reduction in the interest payment across, just degree more and less compared to OPR.

If one still stuck with higher loan interest despite OPR reduction, better review your loan or you may have made a poor decision to take up such a loan, like fixed rate loan or the bank is giving poor competitive rate.


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The normal loan rate now should b 3.65% for existing loan

New loan for gd payor stil around tis rate


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 07:58 AM)
The normal loan rate now should b 3.65% for existing loan

New loan for gd payor stil around tis rate
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Some claimed current economy slowed down could be worse than 1997 AFC.

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Thanks TS for sharing his comment. There is good good or bad interm of lower down the interest rate.

In my point of view, you can buy subsales property now instead of buying under construction project. Because subsales is full disbursement. So you can enjoy lower interest rate now.

Also, if you do refinance now, u can enjoy lower interest rate to use ur money to settle high interest rate debt such as credit card or personal loan.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 7 2020, 08:13 AM)
Some claimed current economy slowed down could be worse than 1997 AFC.
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Some mentioned tis b4 last round. Dementia???
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QUOTE(Pac Lease @ Mar 7 2020, 09:01 AM)
Thanks TS for sharing his comment. There is good good or bad interm of lower down the interest rate.

In my point of view, you can buy subsales property now instead of buying under construction project. Because subsales is full disbursement. So you can enjoy lower interest rate now.

Also, if you do refinance now, u can enjoy lower interest rate to use ur money to settle high interest rate debt such as credit card or personal loan.
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Now the main issue is not easy to do refinancing

Unless you are low gearing & personal profile sufficient strong

Unfortunately a lot ppl holding few units property also hardly to refinance

When market not stable, banks definitely very cautious to review all credit facilities

Recently some majority banks already tightened lending policies, no matter refinancing or new property purchase

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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 4 2020, 07:34 PM)
Too sad to say confirm no interest rate change for new home loan application despite OPR cut whereby announced by BNM yesterday (I have called my some bank officers to reconfirm)

That's mean, if interest rate offered before was BR + 0.75% = 4.25% (before base rate cut was 3.50%), now become BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (after base rate cut to 3.25%)

Bear in mind, during Jan'20 BNM had announced OPR cut simultaneously BR also follow the suit but same practice for majority bank (ie no change of interest rate offer for new home loan by that time)
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You can’t blame the banks.. when rate is cut, banks source of funds (fixed deposit rates) are still locked at higher rates... banks can’t offer lower rates as yet... it will take some time before they attract new FD at lower rates, then they can lower the spreads in the future... banks not in charity.. if u tak suka.. then don’t take the loan .. this is just reality
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 07:58 AM)
The normal loan rate now should b 3.65% for existing loan

New loan for gd payor stil around tis rate
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Really? Which bank is offering this, assuming i have good track record
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QUOTE(Nama saya Amad @ Mar 7 2020, 10:38 AM)
Really? Which bank is offering this, assuming i have good track record
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Few banks. Try 1 by 1. đŸ˜‰

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 10:43 AM)
Few banks. Try 1 by 1. đŸ˜‰

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Yours a new loan?
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QUOTE(Nama saya Amad @ Mar 7 2020, 11:06 AM)
Yours a new loan?
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Approved in Jan but just disbursed. đŸ˜

Dun worry tis rate is stil there. Any1 can make it happen.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 09:10 AM)
Some mentioned tis b4 last round. Dementia???
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In first round of bnm rate cut, covid 19 wasn't a consideration. Loan interest rate cut is unlikely to mitigate supply chain interruption in the short term.

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 10:43 AM)
Few banks. Try 1 by 1. đŸ˜‰

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Typical of "for me to know, for you to find out". Answer is same as no answer.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 7 2020, 12:24 PM)
In first round of bnm rate cut, covid 19 wasn't a consideration. Loan interest rate cut is unlikely to mitigate supply chain interruption in the short term.
Typical of "for me to know, for you to find out". Answer is same as no answer.
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Ironic.......
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Mar 7 2020, 12:37 PM)
Ironic.......
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According to some beans counters; if current market sentiment persists for a few more months, many stretched companies may not survive.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 10:43 AM)
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Your loan offered was before 2 time OPR cut

If not mistaken, you having loan with PBB by offering BR + 0.63% = 4.15% (before 23/01/20)

So now your are enjoying 3.65% after 23/01/20 (OPR cut 0.25%) + 03/03/20 (OPR cut again 0.25%)

Of course for those taken loan before 23/01/20, definitely can rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

I also having 3.70% interest rate offered but I took the loan last year

I pity those going to apply new home loan, definitely not so lucky to enjoy low rate as us doh.gif


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 7 2020, 12:24 PM)
In first round of bnm rate cut, covid 19 wasn't a consideration. Loan interest rate cut is unlikely to mitigate supply chain interruption in the short term.
Typical of "for me to know, for you to find out". Answer is same as no answer.
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Meaning u hav no idea wats goin on đŸ˜‚
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S&P: NPLs to rise for Malaysian banks as political uncertainty adds to Covid-19 blow

(Surin Murugiah / theedgemarkets.com March 05, 2020 11:05 am +08)

KUALA LUMPUR (March 5): S&P Global Ratings expects slower credit growth and a higher non-performing loan (NPL) ratio for Malaysian banks amid challenging operating conditions.

In a statement today, the rating agency said banks are facing a multitude of headwinds from a position of strength, supported by their solid performance in 2019.

S&P credit analyst Nancy Duan said the global outbreak of Covid-19 and renewed domestic political uncertainty add obstacles for Malaysian banks, which are already grappling with the effects of a slowing economy and dampened investor and consumer sentiments over the past year.

“We are revising down our credit growth forecast for these banks to 1%-3% in 2020, from the previous 3%-5%.

“We now expect NPLs to reach 1.7%-1.8% of outstanding loans this year, versus 1.5% as of Dec 31, 2019,†she said.

Duan said the forecasts were based on the assumption that the global Covid-19 outbreak will subside and the domestic political stability can be restored over the coming months.

“We will need to revisit our numbers if those risks stretch beyond the second quarter of 2020.

“In our view, the government's recently announced credit relief measures could buy some time for the sectors most disrupted by the coronavirus outbreak,†she said.

Duan said S&P also expects more potential easing from Bank Negara Malaysia to shore up the economy, leading to a further 5-10 basis point compression of banks' net interest margin (NIM) in 2020.

“Our base case assumes stable capital adequacy ratios. However, risks are now tilted to the downside, given added drains on profitability and the rising dividend payouts announced by some banks last week,†she said.

Meanwhile, she said the rating agency expects a generally neutral impact to domestic banks from the RM20 billion stimulus package unveiled last week.

Duan said even before the government's stimulus package, the country's banks had rolled out their own programs to provide relief to struggling corporate borrowers.

“Supportive policies in the package could strengthen lifelines to banks' affected clients.

“However, we feel the special credit facility of RM2 billion is more symbolic than material, and that credit demand will weaken visibly, especially over the first half of 2020,†she said.

Duan said Malaysian banks' direct exposure to the most disrupted sectors, such as hotels, restaurants and airlines, is small at only a single-digit percentage of loan books on average.

“However, the global health emergency and domestic political upheaval are hitting oil prices, consumer confidence, and the broader economy in Malaysia. We will closely monitor such second-order effects and revise our forecasts as necessary.

“Malaysian banks are fundamentally strong, as reflected by their low NPL ratios, light credit costs, and large capital buffers.

"The banks' credit profiles have remained solid despite muted profitability in recent years. In our opinion, conditions in 2020 will put the banks to a much bigger test to their resilience,†she said.


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sp-n...ds-covid19-blow


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According to some beans counters; if current market sentiment persists for a few more months, many stretched companies may not survive.
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[BNM shared the same sentiment when it said on Tuesday that its monetary policy committee decided to reduce the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 2.5% to provide a more accommodative environment to support the projected improvement in Malaysia's economic growth amid the global COVID-19 outbreak.

Today, Hong Leong Investment Bank Bhd wrote in a note that Malaysian banks' net interest margin slippage is seen to return in the first quarter of 2020 given the recent OPR cut.

"However, recovery would ensue in the following 3-6 months from downward deposit repricing (lagged impact),†Hong Leong said.]



https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/klci...ovid19-concerns



What is meant by slippage in banking?

Fresh accretion of NPAs during the year or a falling below the current position of standard assets of the bank is a slippage. ... A sharp rise in slippage has major impact on provisioning and net profit of the bank. Low slippage or no slippage in asset quality shows how asset qualities are managed by the bank.


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PAS urges merger of Malaysian banks to address liquidity concerns
(Ahmad Naqib Idris / theedgemarkets.com March 06, 2020 11:41 am +08)


KUALA LUMPUR (March 6): PAS central economic, real estate and entrepreneur development committee vice-chairman Mazli Noor has urged for the consideration of a merger of banks to address liquidity concerns in the nation’s financial system.

In a statement yesterday, he said that a merger is “inevitable†and that it is a much needed move given the current situation, urging industry players to act fast.

Mazli said the party’s recommendation follows Bank Negara Malaysia's (BNM) decision to cut the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 2.5%, the lowest level in 10 years, which it said was part of a series of capital controls employed, which also includes the reduction in the statutory reserve requirement (SRR) to 3%.

“Analysts expect this situation to have an impact on net interest margins and earnings of the banking sector," he said, adding that some analysts are expecting the banking sector’s margins to see contraction of between 2% and 3%, which will then affect their earnings by 1% to 2%.

While Mazli agreed that the lower OPR will translate to lower borrowing costs for consumers, he said this has had other effects, especially the decline in the loan to deposit ratio, which he said stood at 87.6% as at January 2019.

He said this has forced banks to compete for deposits, which will affect their earnings.

Given the tight liquidity environment, a merger, he said, is the most optimum way to save the banking industry and to protect consumers.

“With an enlarged size, the banks will have better economies of scale to continue competing. The government has to facilitate this by initiating talks between the banks, suggest on business matching and by giving relevant incentives.

“Governance is also important as in any integration or business merger, good governance is a main factor for success,†he said.

Mazli also urged banks in Malaysia to expand regionally, following in the footsteps of Malayan Banking Bhd, CIMB Group Holdings Bhd and Public Bank Bhd, as the banks would be able to take advantage of an enlarged market which could improve their cash flows.

However, he added that this would only be effective in the event that a merger of the banks is completed.


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/pas-...uidity-concerns

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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 7 2020, 01:11 PM)
PAS urges merger of Malaysian banks to address liquidity concerns
(Ahmad Naqib Idris / theedgemarkets.com March 06, 2020 11:41 am +08)
KUALA LUMPUR (March 6): PAS central economic, real estate and entrepreneur development committee vice-chairman Mazli Noor has urged for the consideration of a merger of banks to address liquidity concerns in the nation’s financial system.

In a statement yesterday, he said that a merger is “inevitable†and that it is a much needed move given the current situation, urging industry players to act fast.

Mazli said the party’s recommendation follows Bank Negara Malaysia's (BNM) decision to cut the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 2.5%, the lowest level in 10 years, which it said was part of a series of capital controls employed, which also includes the reduction in the statutory reserve requirement (SRR) to 3%.

“Analysts expect this situation to have an impact on net interest margins and earnings of the banking sector," he said, adding that some analysts are expecting the banking sector’s margins to see contraction of between 2% and 3%, which will then affect their earnings by 1% to 2%.

While Mazli agreed that the lower OPR will translate to lower borrowing costs for consumers, he said this has had other effects, especially the decline in the loan to deposit ratio, which he said stood at 87.6% as at January 2019.

He said this has forced banks to compete for deposits, which will affect their earnings.

Given the tight liquidity environment, a merger, he said, is the most optimum way to save the banking industry and to protect consumers.

“With an enlarged size, the banks will have better economies of scale to continue competing. The government has to facilitate this by initiating talks between the banks, suggest on business matching and by giving relevant incentives.

“Governance is also important as in any integration or business merger, good governance is a main factor for success,†he said.

Mazli also urged banks in Malaysia to expand regionally, following in the footsteps of Malayan Banking Bhd, CIMB Group Holdings Bhd and Public Bank Bhd, as the banks would be able to take advantage of an enlarged market which could improve their cash flows.

However, he added that this would only be effective in the event that a merger of the banks is completed.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/pas-...uidity-concerns

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Is it the right action taken right now ???

Is it benefit for all banks ???

Is it any benefit for all consumers???

Is it very very close to become monopoly banking industry ???


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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 7 2020, 12:48 PM)
Your loan offered was before 2 time OPR cut

If not mistaken, you having loan with PBB by offering BR + 0.63% = 4.15% (before 23/01/20)

So now your are enjoying 3.65% after 23/01/20 (OPR cut 0.25%) + 03/03/20 (OPR cut again 0.25%)

Of course for those taken loan before 23/01/20, definitely can  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

I also having 3.70% interest rate offered but I took the loan last year

I pity those going to apply new home loan, definitely not so lucky to enjoy low rate as us  doh.gif
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We are very fortunate.

PBB loan revised to 3.6 (promo) 3.72 (non-promo).

HLB 3.53 (promo) and 3.75 (non-promo)
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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 7 2020, 01:05 PM)
I also found some opinion from funds manager related to recent OPR cut preview :-
[BNM shared the same sentiment when it said on Tuesday that its monetary policy committee decided to reduce the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 2.5% to provide a more accommodative environment to support the projected improvement in Malaysia's economic growth amid the global COVID-19 outbreak.

Today, Hong Leong Investment Bank Bhd wrote in a note that Malaysian banks' net interest margin slippage is seen to return in the first quarter of 2020 given the recent OPR cut.

"However, recovery would ensue in the following 3-6 months from downward deposit repricing (lagged impact),†Hong Leong said.]

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/klci...ovid19-concerns
What is meant by slippage in banking?

Fresh accretion of NPAs during the year or a falling below the current position of standard assets of the bank is a slippage. ... A sharp rise in slippage has major impact on provisioning and net profit of the bank. Low slippage or no slippage in asset quality shows how asset qualities are managed by the bank.
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That's reason why now all new home loan applications need to scale up the spread rate despite BR cut

At the end, the new home loan borrowers definitely will suffer if few years down the road, BNM normalise back the OPR

Sooner or later they need to pay more especially for those purchase from new project property because still no feel pain during construction period but after VP with full instalment start than different story

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Why not choose to b the outstanding one tat survivesđŸ¤”
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Easier said than done especially those highly leverage/geared.

poorperly is illiquid, it could take longer than expected to liquidate to adjust. only those prepared before the crisis could escape with less damage or injury.

QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 7 2020, 01:11 PM)
PAS urges merger of Malaysian banks to address liquidity concerns
(Ahmad Naqib Idris / theedgemarkets.com March 06, 2020 11:41 am +08)
KUALA LUMPUR (March 6): PAS central economic, real estate and entrepreneur development committee vice-chairman Mazli Noor has urged for the consideration of a merger of banks to address liquidity concerns in the nation’s financial system.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/pas-...uidity-concerns

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Banks merger could mean the weaker party is stretched. some well known developers could fold from heavy debts.

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So conclusion if i wanna buy for own stay this year, should i proceed or no?
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So conclusion if i wanna buy for own stay this year, should i proceed or no?
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So conclusion if i wanna buy for own stay this year, should i proceed or no?
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Buy if below market value.

Handbrake if project.
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Economic recession has little or no effect on gomen servants.
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Whats this got to do with my question lol. I'm not gov servant btw

QUOTE(Zwean @ Mar 7 2020, 02:59 PM)
Buy if below market value.

Handbrake if project.
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Project meaning? New launches?
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Mar 7 2020, 02:59 PM)
Buy if below market value.

Handbrake if project.
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I see....thats bad news....

Already brought 1..huhu
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Whats this got to do with my question lol. I'm not gov servant btw
Project meaning? New launches?
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Easier said than done especially those highly leverage/geared.

poorperly is illiquid, it could take longer than expected to liquidate to adjust. only those prepared before the crisis could escape with less damage or injury.
Banks merger could mean the weaker party is stretched. some well known developers could fold from heavy debts.
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Why u alwiz choose to b the kantoi species đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚

U hav a choice. Noone force u to lose money wan. The rest leave it to god.

Further to tat u r 9 st ahead of any1 here how can u fail??? đŸ¤”
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Mar 7 2020, 03:39 PM)
Yes.
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Whats the reason? Currently eyeing a new freehold launch, price seems reasonable
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 03:44 PM)
Why u alwiz choose to b the kantoi species đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚

U hav a choice. Noone force u to lose money wan. The rest leave it to god.

Further to tat u r 9 st ahead of any1 here how can u fail??? đŸ¤”
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Until you are out from your coconut shell, your world is the coconut shell.
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Until u r the expert in 1 particular field then u ll know how to handle

It's experience so to say đŸ˜đŸ˜‰

Well I oso salute n respect ur con job well done in sucking the money fr ur naive clients. But 1 thg I failed to und. Wats the different between fund con job n prop guru skl??? 9 st ahead sifu pls enlighten đŸ˜˜

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 7 2020, 04:29 PM)
Until u r the expert in 1 particular field then u ll know how to handle

It's experience so to say đŸ˜đŸ˜‰

Well I oso salute n respect ur con job well done in sucking the money fr ur naive clients. But 1 thg I failed to und. Wats the different between fund con job n prop guru skl??? 9 st ahead sifu pls enlighten đŸ˜˜

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As said many times, until you are out from your coconut shell, your world is the coconut shell.
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Oh true oso hor. No wonder ur coconut sounds like automated answering machine. Now I und liao. đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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OPR drop, Bank will soon try to compete and drop Loan Rate, might not be immediate but eventually.
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Oh true oso hor. No wonder ur coconut sounds like automated answering machine. Now I und liao. đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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Don’t bother. No references.

Just repeating same thing over and over again.
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Don’t bother. No references.

Just repeating same thing over and over again.
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Facts remain unchanged e.g overhang.

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Facts remain unchanged e.g overhang.
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One could only defy or ignore reality, gravity, long term economic equilibrium, the law of supply and demand temporary.
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One could only defy or ignore reality, gravity, long term economic equilibrium, the law of supply and demand temporary.
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Meaning u hav no idea where to look for success???

One whole big round the botanical garden but stil lpplđŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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Meaning u hav no idea where to look for success???

One whole big round the botanical garden but stil lpplđŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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Prime residential properties in KL are expected to record a decrease in value of up to -1.9% or zero growth for 2020.

KL recorded a 1% fall in capital value on the back of oversupply following a rise in the number of residential developments over the past few years.

According to the report, Dubai and KL recorded the largest rental falls over the year, with -5% and -4.1% respectively.

https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1656876/klâ...s-cheapest-2019

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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 4 2020, 07:14 AM)
A lot of borrowers not really understand the interest mechanism how to impact lending policy

A lot of borrowers misleading & miscalculating the lending cost

I will give you direct example :-
Scenario 1 :-

Mr.A has borrowed the loan from Bank during Dec'19, the bank offering him by BR + 0.50% = 4.25% (during Dec'19 period, BR only 3.75%)

So now Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) suddenly had announced 2 time interest rate cut (OPR cut), 1st cut at 23/01/20 by 0.25% and 2nd cut at 03/02/20 by 0.25%

Simultaneously Mr.A will enjoy lower interest rate charged by 0.50%, which mean now Mr.A can enjoy 3.75% home loan interest rate
Scenario 2 :-

Mr.Y now intend to apply home loan but unfortunately bank can offer BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (new BR is 3.25% after OPR cut 2 times)

So Mr.Y has asked the bank, why your bank still maintain offering 4.25% since BNM had already announced 2 times OPR cut??

The Bank officer told Mr.Y that, despite BNM had already cut 2 time OPR, it does not mean new home loan application can lower down the interest rate because now bank profit margin getting lower & lower

If, the Mr.Y taking the home loan right now, ie BR + 1.00% = 4.25%, in future Mr.Y need to absorb higher interest cost

The reason behind is because BR can adjust anytime but spread rate (ie +1.00%) is fixed for entire home loan, in other word, if next few years later BNM gradually increase back OPR at the same time BR also adjust back, let say gradually increase by 0.75%, so Mr.Y home loan interest rate cost become 5.00%
Now you know why NOT BENEFIT for those new home loan application  sad.gif
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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Mar 6 2020, 08:07 PM)
Today just checked with few banks after the implementation of new rate (OPR CUT BY 25 basis point), without any insurance :

RHB 3.85 TO 3.9%
PBB 3.85%
Ambank 3.8%
Hlb 3.65%

HLB repayment capped at 70% for conventional, 30% capped for Islamic, if you wish to dump in additional capital to reduce interest rate, and also to clear the loan faster, avoid taking this loan
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HLB famous for giving ridiculously low interest for their promo rate. (2 years)

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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 7 2020, 09:52 AM)
Now the main issue is not easy to do refinancing

Unless you are low gearing & personal profile sufficient strong

Unfortunately a lot ppl holding few units property also hardly to refinance

When market not stable,  banks definitely very cautious to review all credit facilities

Recently some majority banks already tightened lending policies,  no matter refinancing or new property purchase
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now alot of client apply refinance due to need to have standby cash for future investment or cash out to settle their credit card debts.

However, some bank is willing to give refinance cash out with debt consolidation service to settle their debts.
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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 4 2020, 07:14 AM)
A lot of borrowers not really understand the interest mechanism how to impact lending policy

A lot of borrowers misleading & miscalculating the lending cost

I will give you direct example :-
Scenario 1 :-

Mr.A has borrowed the loan from Bank during Dec'19, the bank offering him by BR + 0.50% = 4.25% (during Dec'19 period, BR only 3.75%)

So now Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) suddenly had announced 2 time interest rate cut (OPR cut), 1st cut at 23/01/20 by 0.25% and 2nd cut at 03/02/20 by 0.25%

Simultaneously Mr.A will enjoy lower interest rate charged by 0.50%, which mean now Mr.A can enjoy 3.75% home loan interest rate
Scenario 2 :-

Mr.Y now intend to apply home loan but unfortunately bank can offer BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (new BR is 3.25% after OPR cut 2 times)

So Mr.Y has asked the bank, why your bank still maintain offering 4.25% since BNM had already announced 2 times OPR cut??

The Bank officer told Mr.Y that, despite BNM had already cut 2 time OPR, it does not mean new home loan application can lower down the interest rate because now bank profit margin getting lower & lower

If, the Mr.Y taking the home loan right now, ie BR + 1.00% = 4.25%, in future Mr.Y need to absorb higher interest cost

The reason behind is because BR can adjust anytime but spread rate (ie +1.00%) is fixed for entire home loan, in other word, if next few years later BNM gradually increase back OPR at the same time BR also adjust back, let say gradually increase by 0.75%, so Mr.Y home loan interest rate cost become 5.00%
Now you know why NOT BENEFIT for those new home loan application  sad.gif
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Copy paste from whatapps group:

Lowest rate for each bank (for new loan application)
*As at 10th March 2020* 1.30pm

☀ PBB - 3.9% (Gred A, 3.65%)
☀ RHB - 3.85%
☀ HLBB - 3.8% (If good profile can get 3.7%)

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HLB give 3.9% now. Below 4% consider quite good
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Loan interest rate showed 3.85 online but installment due is still the same as before! When will it change? Rhb online
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 10 2020, 02:27 PM)
Copy paste from whatapps group:

Lowest rate for each bank (for new loan application)
*As at 10th March 2020* 1.30pm

☀ PBB - 3.9% (Gred A, 3.65%)
☀ RHB - 3.85%
☀ HLBB - 3.8% (If good profile can get 3.7%)
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Just got my loan approved, these rates are valid (public bank that 3.65% not sure how to beg only will give) laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 10 2020, 02:27 PM)
Copy paste from whatapps group:

Lowest rate for each bank (for new loan application)
*As at 10th March 2020* 1.30pm

☀ PBB - 3.9% (Gred A, 3.65%)
☀ RHB - 3.85%
☀ HLBB - 3.8% (If good profile can get 3.7%)
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For me, if anything +0.5% is > 4.15% is no no for me. I’m just assuming when BNM normalise 2~3 years down the road.

If 3.9% and +0.5% after normalise is 4.4% consider quite high d. That’s comparing with the 4.15% that I had previously (now 3.65%)
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QUOTE(kha7577 @ Mar 10 2020, 04:04 PM)
Loan interest rate showed 3.85 online but installment due is still the same as before! When will it change? Rhb online
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Installment due is always the same. Only the amount going into your principal is more since your interest is less now.

The amount due will only be different if you are just serving interest (undercon projects) currently, loan not yet fully disburse.
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QUOTE(diners @ Mar 10 2020, 05:47 PM)
Installment due is always the same. Only the amount going into your principal is more since your interest is less now.

The amount due will only be different if you are just serving interest (undercon projects) currently, loan not yet fully disburse.
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Instalment will be adjusted.
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QUOTE(diners @ Mar 10 2020, 05:44 PM)
For me, if anything +0.5% is > 4.15% is no no for me. I’m just assuming when BNM normalise 2~3 years down the road.

If 3.9% and +0.5% after normalise is 4.4% consider quite high d. That’s comparing with the 4.15% that I had previously (now 3.65%)
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Bnm has reduced opr 0.75 (total) since last year. So if 3.9+0.75 = $$
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Would like to clarify generally it is better to choose bank with lower spread rate?

For example all offered interest is 3.9
Bank A = BR + 1.40%
Bank B = BR + 0.44%
Bank C = BR + 0.33%

Which one should recommended?
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My EIR for RHB mortgage loan now is 3.75%, wondering if it's worthwhile to refinance to try to chase that magical 3.65% interest rate?
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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Mar 11 2020, 04:13 PM)
My EIR for RHB mortgage loan now is 3.75%, wondering if it's worthwhile to refinance to try to chase that magical 3.65% interest rate?
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How much saving on 0.1% p.a. vs legal fees?
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How much saving on 0.1% p.a. vs legal fees?
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How much saving on 0.1% p.a. vs legal fees?
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QUOTE(blackie19 @ Mar 11 2020, 05:17 PM)
That's the million dollar question I guess.
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BNM cut rate again!


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bnm-...ZpnPxBXOO3m8IKo
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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Apr 23 2020, 12:49 PM)
Don't pancut awal ya wait for official announcement.
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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Apr 23 2020, 12:49 PM)
not yet....just say expected only....wait for May to come first..


Anyway Check out this article to learn more about OPR ....it dives into the OPR topic quite deeply.

http://propertythinktank.my/index.php/2020...r-cut-covid-19/

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Apr 23 2020, 12:49 PM)
QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 23 2020, 03:17 PM)
Don't pancut awal ya wait for official announcement.
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Found the KING of pancut awal.
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Well u know la some ppl need to just boast to show ppl how gd they r. Tis kinda species r usually hav low self confidence n usually vely racist cos living in own world cheating own species n alwiz onli know a new way to blame ppl.

Oh yeah some guessed it rite. Tat kinda ppl r like trump. Or r they all trump???

U just dun c bill Gates tok shit like trump rite??? But tis self claimed hensum skl is. đŸ˜
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 23 2020, 10:51 PM)
Well u know la some ppl need to just boast to show ppl how gd they r. Tis kinda species r usually hav low self confidence n usually vely racist cos living in own world cheating own species n alwiz onli know a new way to blame ppl.

Oh yeah some guessed it rite. Tat kinda ppl r like trump. Or r they all trump???

U just dun c bill Gates tok shit like trump rite??? But tis self claimed hensum skl is. đŸ˜
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 23 2020, 03:17 PM)
Don't pancut awal ya wait for official announcement.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 10 2020, 02:27 PM)
Copy paste from whatapps group:

Lowest rate for each bank (for new loan application)
*As at 10th March 2020* 1.30pm

☀ PBB - 3.9% (Gred A, 3.65%)
☀ RHB - 3.85%
☀ HLBB - 3.8% (If good profile can get 3.7%)
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These are including the interest spread?
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QUOTE(Amideva @ Apr 26 2020, 09:32 PM)
These are including the interest spread?
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Effective interest rate.
Lowest currently is 3.60% first year promo from PBB.
More info can ask in this thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3437581/+15360
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Faizul keep it up the good work!!!

I like your knowledge sharing in FB.

Don’t care about the haters . Your sharing is very good

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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 12:33 AM)
Faizul keep it up the good work!!!

I like your knowledge sharing in FB.

Don’t care about the haters . Your sharing is very good

Knowledgeable  notworthy.gif

I m a fans of you and Milan Doshi blush.gif
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During gold, BTC, cbj, poorperly, etc bull run, different in opinion was called hater and we all know where they ended; similarly for faizul and herd members.
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cuts in interest helps most men on the street but on the other hand more and more people income has been impacted during these period...

another cut in may is expected. at least 50 basis point, most economists anticipate


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QUOTE(forever1979 @ Apr 27 2020, 05:19 AM)
cuts in interest helps most men on the street but on the other hand more and more people income has been impacted during these period...

another cut in may is expected. at  least 50 basis point, most economists anticipate
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Low bank interest rate encourage unproductive investment e.g residence and excessive spending, erode purchasing power and weaken MYR/USD Forex rate.

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Support low interest rate that allow more consumer money flow back to market .
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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 06:46 PM)
Support low interest rate that allow more consumer money flow back to market .
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Low or near zero interest rate in japan for many years didn't increase consumer spending nor rise in property price.

before mco, consumers spending already suffered from overpriced property for the last few years and unlikely to rise in time of uncertainty.

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I not sure about their spending then, I don’t stay at Japan, do you?
Japan property couldn’t go up due to earthquakes
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 07:07 PM)
Low or near zero interest rate in japan for many years didn't increase consumer spending nor rise in property price.

before mco, consumers spending already suffered from overpriced property for the last few years and unlikely will rise in time of uncertainty.
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Japan is a totally different case study.

Just look at the period leading up to the 92 crash.
Not applicable as a yardstick.

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QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 07:29 PM)
I not sure about their spending then, I don’t stay at Japan, do you?
Japan property couldn’t go up due to earthquakes
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Data is available.

If earthquakes is the reason why japan property couldn't rise, how to explain drastic price rise in late 1980's?

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 07:31 PM)
Japan is a totally different case study.

Just look at the period leading up to the 92 crash.
Not applicable as a yardstick.

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After >20 years, price is still substantially below the peak. will this occur in boleh land?

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 07:35 PM)
After 20 years, price is still substantially below the peak. will this occur in boleh land?
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That is not the point I was trying to make.

But you do you.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 07:39 PM)
That is not the point I was trying to make.

But you do you.
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There are a few similarity between Japan and bolehland property market and economic policy. Bolehland property is likely to track Japan trend with smaller magnitude.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 07:45 PM)
There are a few similarity between Japan and bolehland property market and economic policy. Bolehland property is likely to track Japan trend with smaller magnitude.
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Sure.

Why don't you list then down and give us an in depth analysis to back up your claim?

I'm sure we can learn from you.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 07:45 PM)
There are a few similarity between Japan and bolehland property market and economic policy. Bolehland property is likely to track Japan trend with smaller magnitude.
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Oh I see , a 100 year multigeneration loan in Japan is same like us . That’s a good compare smile.gif

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 07:46 PM)
Sure.

Why don't you list then down and give us an in depth analysis to back up your claim?

I'm sure we can learn from you.
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How could sifu learn from a lowly student.

QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 07:51 PM)
Oh I see , a 100 year multigeneration loan in Japan is same like us  . That’s a good compare smile.gif
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If 100 year loan tenure couldn't spur property prise, what's more 30 years tenure?
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How could sifu learn from a lowly student.
If 100 year loan tenure couldn't spur property prise, what's more 30 years tenure?
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You’re my sifu le.

Please, do go ahead and provide and in-depth analysis on how you made your conclusion.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 08:18 PM)
You’re my sifu le.

Please, do go ahead and provide and in-depth analysis on how you made your conclusion.
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You could pulled out Japan price index, sure you could find similarity.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 08:19 PM)
You could pulled out Japan price index, sure you could find similarity.
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I want to hear it from you, I want your thoughts, your analysis.

If you can’t come up with an in-depth analysis and comparison of both our economies then you indirectly say you know nothing of the subject.

Do you know nothing of the subject?
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[QUOTE] [quote=icemanfx,Apr 27 2020, 08:15 PM]
If 100 year loan tenure couldn't spur property prise

[quote=Zwean,Apr 27 2020, 08:18 PM]

Please, do go ahead and provide and in-depth analysis on how you made your conclusion.
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[/quote] [/QUOTE]

He can’t , if can , he wouldn’t commenting here

[QUOTE] [quote=icemanfx,Apr 27 2020, 08:19 PM]
You could pulled out Japan price index, sure you could find similarity.
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sweat.gif are you men coming from Mars ? Comparing 100yrs property loan vs 30/35 years loan
doh.gif , Japan their economy and culture is different sweat.gif any facts is same ?

If you so hate Malaysia , why you still here. Oh Gomen'nasai maybe you in oversea now laugh.gif

I m lazy to continue . Bye for now

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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 08:26 PM)
I want to hear it from you, I want your thoughts, your analysis.

If you can’t come up with an in-depth analysis and comparison of both our economies then you indirectly say you know nothing of the subject.

Do you know nothing of the subject?
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What I foresaw in last few years is more realistic than yours. And what I foresee in near future is also likely more realistic than you. You can believe whatever you wish and I don't intend to change your mind.

QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 08:31 PM)

He can’t , if can , he wouldn’t commenting here

sweat.gif are you men coming from Mars ? Comparing 100yrs property loan vs 30/35 years loan
doh.gif  , Japan their economy and culture is different  sweat.gif any facts is same ?

If you so hate Malaysia , why you still here. Oh Gomen'nasai maybe you in oversea now  laugh.gif

I m lazy to continue . Bye for now
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I don't hate this country at all, in the contrary love this country. I am just realistic, practical and not blinded by greed.

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Let’s wait 10 years and see, don’t close this topic, I will come n comment back , see whose statement is correct by then smile.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 08:43 PM)
What I foresaw in last few years is more realistic than yours. And what I foresee in near future is also likely more realistic than you. You can believe whatever you wish and I don't intend to change your mind.
I don't hate this country at all, in the contrary love this country. I am just realistic, practical and not blinded by greed.
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I want to see and know what is realistic.

I want to learn from you, so unless you can give us all here an in-depth analysis of the similarities of both our economies prior to the Japanese crash of 1992 and Malaysia in 2020.

You concede that you know nothing on the subject matter.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 08:50 PM)
I want to see and know what is realistic.

I want to learn from you, so unless you can give us all here an in-depth analysis of the similarities of both our economies prior to the Japanese crash of 1992 and Malaysia in 2020.

You concede that you know nothing on the subject matter.
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Reality is in the market and economy. If you need to show intestine to prove is the stomach, you are unworthy to learn.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 27 2020, 08:59 PM)
Reality is in the market and economy. If you need to show intestine to prove is the stomach, you are unworthy to learn.
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There you have it guys. This guy knows nothing.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 09:02 PM)
There you have it guys. This guy knows nothing.
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Time has proven and time will prove again.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 09:06 PM)
Indeed.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ Apr 27 2020, 09:38 PM)
I know right.
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Next few years will be interesting time for poorperly market. Those were swimming naked will be revealed.

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Next few years will be interesting time for poorperly market. Those were swimming naked will be revealed.
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It’s ok.. I got underwear pakai.
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It’s ok.. I got underwear pakai.
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Good for you.
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is it consider biggest rate cut for the decade?

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...d-25bps-in-july
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is it consider biggest  rate cut for the decade?

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...d-25bps-in-july
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Mean economic outlook is worst in the decade.

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https://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ac=5045&lang=en

Monetary Policy Statement
Ref No : 05/20/01 05 May 2020 Embargo : Not for publication or broadcast before 1500 hours on Tuesday 05 May 2020
At its meeting today, the Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) of Bank Negara Malaysia decided to reduce the Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) by 50 basis points to 2.00 percent. The ceiling and floor rates of the corridor of the OPR are correspondingly reduced to 2.25 percent and 1.75 percent, respectively.

Global economic conditions have weakened significantly. Measures to contain the COVID-19 pandemic have disrupted economic activity across most economies. Recent indicators show that the global economy is already contracting, with global growth projected to be negative for the year. Financial conditions have also tightened amid elevated risk aversion and uncertainty. Substantial policy stimuli introduced by many economies, coupled with the gradual easing of containment measures globally, would partially mitigate the economic impact of COVID-19. Growth prospects should improve in 2021 with the expected containment of the pandemic.

For Malaysia, domestic economic conditions have similarly been affected by the pandemic. Widespread containment measures globally, international border closures and the consequent weak external demand environment will exert a larger drag on domestic economic activity. The Movement Control Order, while necessary to contain the spread of the virus, has also constrained production capacity and spending. Labour market conditions are also expected to weaken considerably. Economic conditions would be particularly challenging in the first half of the year. The fiscal stimulus measures, alongside monetary and financial measures will, however, offer some support to the economy. With more businesses allowed to operate under the Conditional Movement Control Order, economic activity is projected to gradually improve. The outlook for growth continues to be subject to a high degree of uncertainty, particularly with respect to developments surrounding the pandemic.

Inflationary pressures are expected to be muted in 2020, with average headline inflation likely to be negative this year, due mainly to projections for substantially lower global oil prices. Nevertheless, the outlook remains significantly affected by global oil and commodity prices, as well as evolving demand conditions. Underlying inflation is expected to be subdued given the projections of weaker domestic growth prospects and labour market conditions.

The financial sector is sound, with financial institutions operating with strong capital and liquidity buffers. Liquidity remains ample, augmented by liquidity injections by Bank Negara Malaysia. Since March 2020, Bank Negara Malaysia has provided additional liquidity of approximately RM42 billion into the domestic financial markets, via various tools including outright purchase of government securities, reverse repos and the reduction in Statutory Reserve Requirement. Bank Negara Malaysia stands ready to provide liquidity in the interbank market to ensure orderly market conditions, conducive to support financial intermediation activity.

With the decision today, the OPR has been reduced by a total of 100 basis points, complementing other monetary and financial measures by Bank Negara Malaysia as well as fiscal measures this year. Together, these measures will cushion the economic impact on businesses and households and support the improvement in economic activity. The MPC will continue to monitor the outlook for domestic growth and inflation. The Bank will utilise its policy levers as appropriate to create enabling conditions for a sustainable economic recovery.


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OPR 2%, good time to buy?

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Is it a good news for first time home buyer?
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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ May 5 2020, 03:26 PM)
Is it a good news for first time home buyer?
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Good rate for those who really want to buy property.
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Mean economic outlook is worst in the decade.
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at this, it is good for borrowers, cash out, stock market
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at this, it is good for borrowers, cash out, stock market
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Low interest rate is meant to encourage investment and spending. However, if interest rate is below inflation rate will erode purchasing power, less amount available for future investment, spending, etc, and risk tipping the country into deflation.

wealth is created from productive work; wealth created from debts is unsustainable and will eventually collapse.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 5 2020, 04:16 PM)
Low interest rate is meant to encourage investment and spending. However, if interest rate is below inflation rate will erode purchasing power, less amount available for future investment, spending, etc, and risk tipping the country into deflation.

wealth is created from productive work; wealth created from debts is unsustainable and will eventually collapse.
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Low interest rates does not cause deflation.

Deflation causes low interest rates.

Low interest is a product of deflation, used as a tool to drive consumption, spending and lending to spool up the economy resulting in inflation.
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Low interest rates does not cause deflation.

Deflation causes low interest rates.

Low interest is a product of deflation, used as a tool to drive consumption, spending and lending to spool up the economy resulting in inflation.
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This may be on your economic book but not happened in reality like Japan.

By your definition/book, the country is going to or already in deflation stage.

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QUOTE(DisneyHome @ Mar 4 2020, 08:21 AM)
Let me further elaborate the instalment for you

Assuming my property purchased is RM 500,000

Loan amount : RM 450,000 (assuming only property loan without other fees)

Loan tenure : 35 years

Interest rate offer : BR + 1.00% = 4.25% (after 2 times reduced by BNM) (current BR 3.25%)

Instalment amount : RM 2061 per month
Assuming BNM gradually increase back OPR (simultaneously BR also gradually increase back) by 0.75% later 3 years

new interest rate charged : BR + 1.00% = 5.00% (BR become 4.00% after gradually increase back to 0.75%)

New instalment amount adjusted : RM 2271 per month

** Assuming the new project need 3 years completion & vacant possession
You know how much need to bear extra cost each month if gradually increase OPR later !!
RM 450,000 x (5.00% - 4.25%) = RM 3375 per year

equivalent to RM 281 per month extra
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My calculation is reduction of RM270/month for every RM1,000,000 outstanding balance.
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QUOTE(JustNobody @ May 5 2020, 03:42 PM)
Good rate for those who really want to buy property.
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Yeah, than later OPR go up, interest go up as well. It's good for existing loan holder, but those want to buy NOW, need to decide on future OPR climbing as well into their equations.
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This may be on your economic book but not happened in reality like Japan.

By your definition/book, the country is going to or already in deflation stage.
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This is literally economics 101

Edit: there are many things that can lead to lowering interest rates. This is just one of the probable cause. As we can understand from the current outlook it is not caused by deflation.

You have nothing positive ever to say about anything no matter The outcome.

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Yeah, than later OPR go up, interest go up as well. It's good for existing loan holder, but those want to buy NOW, need to decide on future OPR climbing as well into their equations.
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For a 10, 20 or 30 years loan, borrower cant escape OPR going up and down.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ May 5 2020, 07:26 PM)
For a 10, 20 or 30 years loan, borrower cant escape OPR going up and down.
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Very true. Or get Islamic financing can solve this?
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This is literally economics 101

Edit: there are many things that can lead to lowering interest rates. This is just one of the probable cause. As we can understand from the current outlook it is not caused by deflation.

You have nothing positive ever to say about anything no matter The outcome.
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That is your economic 101. Perhaps you should add economic 102; when supply > demand, price will drop. One could only defy gravity temporary, and long term equilibrium always prevail.

Not everything is pessimistic. Actually, there are many opportunities outside the coconut shell. Unfortunately, those inside the coconut shell couldn't and unwilling to see.

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Yeah, than later OPR go up, interest go up as well. It's good for existing loan holder, but those want to buy NOW, need to decide on future OPR climbing as well into their equations.
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Hmm, meaning try to get loan offer with lower spread rate?
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Hmm, meaning try to get loan offer with lower spread rate?
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No, what I mean is doesnt mean OPR low not you listen to people thinking interest is low. Interest is variable subject to OPR and will cost you more later.

Example. Every RM1 million loan for 20-30 years, 0.5% is worth RM270/month interest. If OPR go up, you need to pay extra RM270 in proportion of RM1mill.
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That is your economic 101. Perhaps you should add economic 102; when supply > demand, price will drop. One could only defy gravity temporary, and long term equilibrium always prevail.

Not everything is pessimistic. Actually, there are many opportunities outside the coconut shell. Unfortunately, those inside the coconut shell couldn't and unwilling to see.
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We were talking about interest rates and its relationship with deflation.

Don’t switch the matter at hand to deflect the fact that you still need more to fully understand.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 5 2020, 08:17 PM)
No, what I mean is doesnt mean OPR low not you listen to people thinking interest is low. Interest is variable subject to OPR and will cost you more later.

Example. Every RM1 million loan for 20-30 years, 0.5% is worth RM270/month interest. If OPR go up, you need to pay extra RM270 in proportion of RM1mill.
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I see, since OPR has been cut from 3% to 2%. We should calculate what the bank offered loan will be at after increasing it by 100 points ya? Else later really increase back to 3%, then effective rate is more than 4% or higher, jiaklat
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We were talking about interest rates and its relationship with deflation.

Don’t switch the matter at hand to deflect the fact that you still need more to fully understand.
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The facts remain economic outlook is bleak for next few quarters.

the perfect storm will be when myr depreciated sufficiently to cause inflation e.g over 50% of foods are imported.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 6 2020, 12:33 AM)
The facts remain economic outlook is bleak for next few quarters.

the perfect storm will be when myr depreciated sufficiently to cause inflation e.g over 50% of foods are imported.
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So I guess you missed the news that fed rates are close to 0?


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So I guess you missed the news that fed rates are close to 0?
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You think u.s fed almost zero rate and unlimited qe could turn around u.s economy like previous economic recession? Do you realize bnm has significantly less tools and rooms than fed.

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You think u.s fed almost zero rate and unlimited qe could turn around u.s economy like previous economic recession? Do you realize bnm has significantly less tools and rooms than fed.
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No I wasn’t relating it to turning around the recession.

Read again.
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No I wasn’t relating it to turning around the recession.

Read again.
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If u.s fed couldn't turn around the recession, could bnm?
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US got hit badly by subprime when malai props was preparing to fly đŸ˜

It's not entirely apple to apple comparison but it somehow related. Just the effect differ.

A silly comparison. Superman can fly n captain America kenot fly but both saved the world.

Soli ya cmco tokok a bit.
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If u.s fed couldn't turn around the recession, could bnm?
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Try to keep up with the matter discussed without deviating.
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LOL, some always see half water cup, is always half empty. Even the cup is 80% full, it will be labelled as 20% empty. And even 100% full, see the only way is the amount is going to reduced as it can go more than 100%, only will be less.

So, the logic becomes,

1. Interest cut 0.5%, see economy is so bleak, BNM needs to have big cut. So property price is going to tank due to bleak economy.

2. Interest rate rise, see borrowers need to pay more month repayment. Property price is going to tank as borrower cannot afford to pay or more lelong.

3. Interest no rise no cut, see economy is stagnant, so does property market outlook.

Half empty theory is always powerful, you can't win against it. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 6 2020, 10:53 AM)
US got hit badly by subprime when malai props was preparing to fly đŸ˜

It's not entirely apple to apple comparison but it somehow related. Just the effect differ.

A silly comparison. Superman can fly n captain America kenot fly but both saved the world.

Soli ya cmco tokok a bit.
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Well.. She thought that lowering interest could cause devaluation of a currency.

Just pointing out that fed's lowered theirs to 0.5%.

People need to wrap their minds completely around the subject matter with less google kungfu and deflection.
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US got hit badly by subprime when malai props was preparing to fly đŸ˜

It's not entirely apple to apple comparison but it somehow related. Just the effect differ.

A silly comparison. Superman can fly n captain America kenot fly but both saved the world.

Soli ya cmco tokok a bit.
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Until today, many still don't realize kv property bull run 2011-2014 was a fallout from u.s. qe.

every economic recession is different; tools and methods to resolve is different too.

QUOTE(Zwean @ May 6 2020, 10:54 AM)
Try to keep up with the matter discussed without deviating.
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the economy and poorperly market will be in doldrums for a few years. until overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.

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Until today, many still don't realize kv property bull run 2011-2014 was a fallout from u.s. qe.

every economic recession is different; tools and methods to resolve is different too.
the economy and poorperly market will be in doldrums for a few years. until overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.
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Until today, many still don't realize kv property bull run 2011-2014 was a fallout from u.s. qe.
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Explain why US QE would affect our property prices and specifically KV in particular? Your correlation seems off to me.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 6 2020, 11:10 AM)

Every economic recession is different; tools and methods to resolve is different too.

the economy and poorperly market will be in doldrums for a few years. until overhang is reduced substantially, price will remain suppressed.
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You’re assuming the government will sit on their hands while property market is stagnant?

If I told you that they’re gonna lower RPGT as well as create HOC v2 in 4Q2020/1Q2021 where do you think property market will be heading?
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 6 2020, 12:19 PM)
Explain why US QE would affect our property prices and specifically KV in particular? Your correlation seems off to me.
You’re assuming the government will sit on their hands while property market is stagnant?

If I told you that they’re gonna lower RPGT as well as create HOC v2 in 4Q2020/1Q2021 where do you think property market will be heading?
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Guess you are late to the game or living inside the coconut shell. have explained qe thingy numerous time before and tired to repeat again.

whatever it is, until overhang is reduced substantially, price remain suppressed.

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Tot govt is reducing new property loan to induce spending
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It is reduced.
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Guess you are late to the game or living inside the coconut shell. have explained qe thingy numerous time before and tired to repeat again.

whatever it is, until overhang is reduced substantially, price remain suppressed.
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LOL I call BS. I've seen your posts around here and its all half-assed to be quite frank from a macro/micro perspective, including your QE argument.

To everyone else reading this, property prices increased from 2011 till 2014 purely because of property speculation. BNM introduced DIBS/DIRS in 2009 which reduced buyer's progressive payment/downpayment for undercon project but increased overall price of unit which drove surrounding prices up (hence why KV properties were main beneficiaries).

In 2014 Budget, BNM disallowed this practice hence market cooled ever since. Nothing related to QE AT ALL!
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 5 2020, 08:17 PM)
No, what I mean is doesnt mean OPR low not you listen to people thinking interest is low. Interest is variable subject to OPR and will cost you more later.

Example. Every RM1 million loan for 20-30 years, 0.5% is worth RM270/month interest. If OPR go up, you need to pay extra RM270 in proportion of RM1mill.
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Hi Waghyu,

How to count interest? Daily rest interest run differently? $1.0 mil at 0.5% per year is $5000. So per month is 416.66 if divided by 12 months.

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QUOTE(sc07 @ May 6 2020, 02:41 PM)
Hi Waghyu,

How to count interest? Daily rest interest run differently? $1.0 mil at 0.5% per year is $5000. So per month is 416.66 if divided by 12 months.
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Don't bother to calculate daily la, just confusing and not tally with bank calculation unless you know exactly. Go simple loan calculator put first interest and second interest for a sample 1 million outstanding. There will report monthly repayment. The difference is savings.

If you want to do daily rest calculation, then whatever profit rate you have to calculate to daily rest as well for proper monthly/yearly interest outcome. You cannot do 0.5% standalone calculation, a bit more complicated.
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LOL I call BS. I've seen your posts around here and its all half-assed to be quite frank from a macro/micro perspective, including your QE argument.

To everyone else reading this, property prices increased from 2011 till 2014 purely because of property speculation. BNM introduced DIBS/DIRS in 2009 which reduced buyer's progressive payment/downpayment for undercon project but increased overall price of unit which drove surrounding prices up (hence why KV properties were main beneficiaries).

In 2014 Budget, BNM disallowed this practice hence market cooled ever since. Nothing related to QE AT ALL!
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As a matter of fact both of you are wrong. The QE impact didn't reach up to Malaysian shore as far as real estate is concerned. Yes DIBS did lifted buying interest and volume, but the volume couldn't happen if banks did not have the appetite for real estate in their balance sheet.

Property loan was only 36% of the banking system loan book back in 2008. Within five years after that, every ringgit that the bank lent out, almost 50 sen were for property loan. The total loan book is now almost 50% to property loan.

Without this liquidity, you don't get the boom.
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As a matter of fact both of you are wrong. The QE impact didn't reach up to Malaysian shore as far as real estate is concerned. Yes DIBS did lifted buying interest and volume, but the volume couldn't happen if banks did not have the appetite for real estate in their balance sheet.

Property loan was only 36% of the banking system loan book back in 2008. Within five years after that, every ringgit that the bank lent out, almost 50 sen were for property loan. The total loan book is now almost 50% to property loan.

Without this liquidity, you don't get the boom.
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Mate, banks will go wherever they can go to make money. Not in their interest to reject loans unless directed otherwise. Again I put this blame squarely on BNM for loosening up the system.
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LOL I call BS. I've seen your posts around here and its all half-assed to be quite frank from a macro/micro perspective, including your QE argument.

To everyone else reading this, property prices increased from 2011 till 2014 purely because of property speculation. BNM introduced DIBS/DIRS in 2009 which reduced buyer's progressive payment/downpayment for undercon project but increased overall price of unit which drove surrounding prices up (hence why KV properties were main beneficiaries).

In 2014 Budget, BNM disallowed this practice hence market cooled ever since. Nothing related to QE AT ALL!
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You have conveniently ignored easy credit and low interest rate was a fallout of u.s qe.

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You have conveniently ignored easy credit and low interest rate was a fallout of u.s qe.
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lol now I know for sure you're talking bull. BNM hiked up rates 3 times in 2010 and again once more in 2011.

For your bloody reference https://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=mone&pg=mone_opr_stmt
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lol now I know for sure you're talking bull. BNM hiked up rates 3 times in 2010 and again once more in 2011.

For your bloody reference https://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=mone&pg=mone_opr_stmt
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You can believe in whatever alternative facts you wish. the facts remain, property price trend in last few years has been consistent with my view.

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You can believe in whatever alternative facts you wish. the facts remain, property price trend in last few years has been consistent with my view.
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Yer... people present with facts leh not their beliefs.
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Yer... people present with facts leh not their beliefs.
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Don't need bother bro. This one I make full presentation also no point. Everything is 'aLtErNaTiVe FaCtS' unless it aligns with her own beliefs.
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Yer... people present with facts leh not their beliefs.
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Don't need bother bro. This one I make full presentation also no point. Everything is 'aLtErNaTiVe FaCtS' unless it aligns with her own beliefs.
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The reality and facts remains property price trend in last few years has been in consistent with my view.

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The reality and facts remains property price trend in last few years has been in consistent with my view.
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Don't need bother bro. This one I make full presentation also no point. Everything is 'aLtErNaTiVe FaCtS' unless it aligns with her own beliefs.
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Already used to it, sometimes I reply just to show newbies here how knowledgable and educated she really is.
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Already used to it, sometimes I reply just to show newbies here how knowledgable and educated she really is.
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It is a no wonder herd members end up either in slaughterhouse or over the cliff.

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A reason why bnm have drastic rate cut is in anticipating q1/20 gdp contraction.

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Already used to it, sometimes I reply just to show newbies here how knowledgable and educated she really is.
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Can get quite annoying tho. Her Economics 102 post in response to you was what triggered me haha
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when supply > demand, price will drop is not in your alternative economic 102?

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Can get quite annoying tho. Her Economics 102 post in response to you was what triggered me haha
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Well, she was wrong. But refuse to admit it, instead deflect and change the discussion.

Like I said, already used to it. Just need to raise awareness.
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Well, she was wrong. But refuse to admit it, instead deflect and change the discussion.

Like I said, already used to it. Just need to raise awareness.
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More like you are in transition between denial and anger stage.
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More like you are in transition between denial and anger stage.
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Sure.
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Facts and data of last few years is public. only those in denial or transition to anger stage would claim or believe otherwise.
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The reality and facts remains property price trend in last few years has been in consistent with my view.
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My friend, you just need to ask yourself honestly if you really find that buying a property in 2020 is easier and more value for money than 2018, and easier and more value for money than 2016 etc.
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My friend, you just need to ask yourself honestly if you really find that buying a property in 2020 is easier and more value for money than 2018, and easier and more value for money than 2016 etc.
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The answer is yes.
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My friend, you just need to ask yourself honestly if you really find that buying a property in 2020 is easier and more value for money than 2018, and easier and more value for money than 2016 etc.
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QUOTE(Zwean @ May 6 2020, 09:12 PM)
The answer is yes.
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We all know she ll hav the standard set of answer pick up fr template rather than saying yes or no.

Maybe she could after seeing tis post. Who knows đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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Yes and no

Yes for lower interest rate

and No if your eligibility is unable to sustain for the next few years. The economy and investment for properties are uncertain (price might drop even further) unless for your own stay

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My friend, you just need to ask yourself honestly if you really find that buying a property in 2020 is easier and more value for money than 2018, and easier and more value for money than 2016 etc.
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If one is not in rush, could wait until 2H/2022 or after, price is expected to be cheaper than possibly 2016.

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it will reduce my progressive payment for my house mortage loan..huhu
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We all know she ll hav the standard set of answer pick up fr template rather than saying yes or no.

Maybe she could after seeing tis post. Who knows đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚
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Facts and data in last few years show; this is appropriately applied to uuu/bbb.

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Facts and data in last few years show; this is appropriately applied to uuu/bbb.
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Yeah, why don't you give us an in-depth analysis?

Back your data with facts and data which supports both sides of the argument.

Then conclude rationally to arrive at a result that is persuasive.

There is a reason why a lot of people think you're full of shit you know. Prove them once and for all that you are worth your weight in gold and that you know what you are talking about.

Or..

Just reply with a riddle and concede that you actually rely on googlefu most of the time. Which you rely on to look for data that supports your argument while conveniently exclude data that does not.

Your choice.
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My friend, you just need to ask yourself honestly if you really find that buying a property in 2020 is easier and more value for money than 2018, and easier and more value for money than 2016 etc.
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I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.

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I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.
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Good write up! I'm not familiar with Shah Alam myself so this is an interesting look into the landed property market there. If you look at the different property portals, would you say there's an average increase of 'For Sale' listings in your area versus when you bought your property? Do you see a lot of vacant/unoccupied houses in your area? Is your title strata(guarded area) or individual?
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Yeah, why don't you give us an in-depth analysis?

Back your data with facts and data which supports both sides of the argument.

Then conclude rationally to arrive at a result that is persuasive.

There is a reason why a lot of people think you're full of shit you know. Prove them once and for all that you are worth your weight in gold and that you know what you are talking about.

Or..

Just reply with a riddle and concede that you actually rely on googlefu most of the time. Which you rely on to look for data that supports your argument while conveniently exclude data that does not.

Your choice.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ May 7 2020, 12:29 AM)
I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.
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Good write up! I'm not familiar with Shah Alam myself so this is an interesting look into the landed property market there. If you look at the different property portals, would you say there's an average increase of 'For Sale' listings in your area versus when you bought your property? Do you see a lot of vacant/unoccupied houses in your area? Is your title strata(guarded area) or individual?
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Surprisingly not many listing for the old unit that I mentioned compared to last year. Most likely people who bought to sell/rent already disposed their unit rather than waiting for the price to go back to 2016 price since developer was selling brand new house will bigger built up at lower price since 2017. And occupancy in the older phase is around 95% (you can find 4-5 vacant units only in 100++ area of one phase. Plenty of vacant units for newer phase (and bigger unit 24x80, around 40% vacant) completed in 2018, but not many people advertised them online, you can see the “for sale†banner hanging at the gate, not online though.

In the phase I bought, plenty of “for sale†banner on the gate (around 15-20 units), but only 2 units could be found online. Maybe they only interested to entertain serious buyer who would probably drive around the area if they were interested. Buy I don’t think it would be easy to dispose at their asking price (780k-850k), when the developer is currently selling units with similar layout but better finishes at 780k. I think people would wait for the two years construction rather than paying the asking price sweat.gif

And it is individual title, but mostly fenced & guarded as the developer was clever enough to lay out the units in such way there would only be maximum 2 entries to each phase. And for my phase, the developer was kind enough to provide fencing & guard post together with access card system and barrier gate for free (most likely to attract new buyer since next phase is sharing the same access road).

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So nothing from you?
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History and data in last few years speak for itself. you can twist and claim whatever you want, the facts remain.

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History and data in last few years speak for itself. you can twist and claim whatever you want, the facts remain.
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So by throwing out a riddle you’ve conceded that you know very little on the subject matter.
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So by throwing out a riddle you’ve conceded that you know very little on the subject matter.
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Only those in denial or in transition to anger stage couldn't accept history, facts and data, still wanted to argue over it. you can argue until the cows come home, facts remain unchanged. by accepting the facts as it is will make you easier to face the reality and future.

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Only those in denial or in transition to anger stage couldn't accept history, facts and data, still wanted to argue over it. you can argue until the cows come home, facts remain unchanged. by accepting the facts as it is will make you easier to face the reality and future.
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There we have the answer again, you should really do your homework first before coming online to copy paste comments to rack up on your post count.
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I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.
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500k-320k=RM180k. Still profit to the seller.
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I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.
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I bought my first house in 2011, the second in 2017, and now open for the third. I continue to visit new launches etc. but I really don't find it is becoming more value for money, especially when buying from developer, subsale can go up and down and a lot of factors involved.

Developer continue to cut on the overall quality they offer, increase density, etc. One thing people doing is lowered down their expectation.


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Provided that auction unit is what you want. For example, subsale 600k which you can view can inspect etc. vs. an auction unit in same taman 450k, the 450k has to add in the risks and can becoming more expensive than 600k. People using that 450k as the benchmark for that taman is not fair.

And certain units in the Taman can be a lot cheaper than other units, e.g. The row facing Highway, the unit facing T-junction etc. We can't be too generalised. View it, see it, then you know the price to pay.

I did search for auction units also but often quite disappointing.
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I bought my first house in 2011, the second in 2017, and now open for the third. I continue to visit new launches etc. but I really don't find it is becoming more value for money, especially when buying from developer, subsale can go up and down and a lot of factors involved.

Developer continue to cut on the overall quality they offer, increase density, etc. One thing people doing is lowered down their expectation.
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Well I guess I am just lucky that in the area of my choice, the developer keep adding value to newer phases instead of cutting. I guess maybe the demand in that area isn’t as much in areas that you are looking at, hence they have to do something to attract buyers.
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i think lowest rate would 3.3...anyone can get cheaper?
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best time to buy is always yesterday.

it all fall back to the income level and job security.

opr will drops to below 2% soon, will you buy at that time?
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There is a bank oledi announced their best rate below 3.3% to clients but not done publicly

Howeva until LO is on table nothin is firmed


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There is a bank oledi announced their best rate below 3.3% to clients but not done publicly

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i can still remember 2018 uob 4.45%. really syok oh below 3.3%
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best time to buy is always yesterday.

it all fall back to the income level and job security.

opr will drops to below 2% soon, will you buy at that time?
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if yesterday bought at future inflated price also gg.com
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i can still remember 2018 uob 4.45%. really syok oh below 3.3%
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if yesterday bought at future inflated price also gg.com
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That’s the issue during the bull run, everyone blinded by greed. Fortunately sufficient cooling measures were put in place.
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That’s the issue during the bull run, everyone blinded by greed. Fortunately sufficient cooling measures were put in place.
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If cooling measures were sufficient, overhang won't be expanding.

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If cooling measures were sufficient, overhang won't be expanding.
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If insufficient, then you’ll see new projects priced at 700k instead of 400k now. Just measure with other countries as a yardstick.

Perhaps you should study the numbers, majority of the overhang is in Johor. Launched prices are way above median.

Also, FYI

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everyone tot siapa cepat dia dapat. mana tau sekali...
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If insufficient, then you’ll see new projects priced at 700k instead of 400k now. Just measure with other countries as a yardstick.

Perhaps you should study the numbers, majority of the overhang is in Johor. Launched prices are way above median.

Also, FYI

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Johor may top the overhang chart, numbers in kv is still substantial and widening.

Our disposable income and economy is not comparable with other countries, is syok sendiri to compare.

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For reasons, the herd ended either in slaughterhouse or over the cliff.
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Johor may top the overhang chart, numbers in kv is still substantial and widening.

Our disposable income and economy is not comparable with other countries, is syok sendiri to compare.
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Even when you compare price to income ratio with our peers?

Eg Thailand.

Cause Bangkok is way more expensive than KL.
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That stupidity applied to everything not just properties
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Even when you compare price to income ratio with our peers?

Eg Thailand.

Cause Bangkok is way more expensive than KL.
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Bangkok population is much larger, have many more professionals than kl. those expensive property along sukhumvit you read are mostly for farang, and farang preferred thailand than bolehland.

thai won't buy kl property because it is cheaper than bkk. and you conveniently ignore first batch of china investors in kl are still below water.

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best time to buy is always yesterday.

it all fall back to the income level and job security.

opr will drops to below 2% soon, will you buy at that time?
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Of cos.. That time I might take over ur biz and sell smile.gif
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Of cos.. That time I might take over ur biz and sell smile.gif
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I da gong zai only, no biz. Instead of buy biz suggest to buy prop 1st
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Bangkok population is much larger, have many more professionals than kl. those expensive property along sukhumvit you read are mostly for farang, and farang preferred thailand than bolehland.

thai won't buy kl property because it is cheaper than bkk. and you conveniently ignore first batch of china investors in kl are still below water.
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I da gong zai only, no biz. Instead of buy biz suggest to buy prop 1st
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i see, work harder earn money yaaa.. maybe 1 day u can buy a prop...
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1 day? Edi bot many in many yesterdaysss
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1 day? Edi bot many in many yesterdaysss
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ohh, is it handcrafted? nice, get more... I need to work harder for the 4th prop then...
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no need work harder.. maybe 1 day is enuf to make the decision
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US got hit badly by subprime when malai props was preparing to fly đŸ˜

It's not entirely apple to apple comparison but it somehow related. Just the effect differ.

A silly comparison. Superman can fly n captain America kenot fly but both saved the world.

Soli ya cmco tokok a bit.
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The so-called liquidity trap, when monetary policy loses its traction as interest rates get close to zero, has plagued rich countries for years. Nobel-Prize winning economist Paul Krugman says it has now spread to some emerging markets as well.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...a&sref=bZ8VXc8U

Zwean is boleh land moving into liquidity trap? why boleh land liquidity trap will not set off a deflationary spiral? Why property overhang will not lead deflation spiral?

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Emerging markets entered the current downturn with lower rates than in past recessions, leaving them with a diminished ability to prop up their economies, Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman told Bloomberg on Friday.

Such nations now face a liquidity trap, where interest rates sit at the floor and monetary easing loses its relief effect.

While developed countries can borrow trillions of dollars for economic aid, emerging markets aren’t as able to counterbalance monetary easing with fiscal stimulus, Krugman warned.

By entering the current slump with low rates and smaller debt balances, developing nations “managed to make themselves vulnerable to first-world kinds of problems,†the economist added.

https://www.businessinsider.my/emerging-mar...-krugman-2020-5

zack.gap is boleh land falling into liquidity trap? will liquidity trap set off a deflationary spiral? Will over hang in property market lead the deflation spiral?

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ May 7 2020, 12:29 AM)
I seldom posted in this section of LYN, but to answer you question, yes, you can easily find a good deal today compared to 2016 & 2018.

I have been monitoring the price of landed property in the area I’m staying now (Shah Alam) since 2015, and from my own price monitoring, the landed property in Shah Alam peaked in 2016.

I just bought my first house (and probably last because I bought for my own stay) last year at 720k. It is a double storey house with 2300sqft built up with land size of 22x75, newly completed (I bought one of the final few units 1 months before VP). As comparison, the houses in that area with land size of 22x75 with built up of 2000sqft was selling at 750k in 2016, with lower quality finishing. The same type unit was last transacted at 580k in 2019, but still the owner made a hefty profit considering it was sold by developer at 320k in 2010. But he made a paper loss of almost 170k as compared to if he were to sell his house in 2016. Currently the asking price is around 630-650k, but most likely you can still lowball the seller to 600k.

So yeah, you can pretty much find a good deal today compared to 2016. But my findings are just limited to Shah Alam.
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I will be 35 yo this year, household income ~17k. No child. Total loan amounted to 1m (3 houses, 2 HP). My dream house is ~700k too, but at current economic climate quite scared to take new loan đŸ˜…

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If possible, may i know the location? Around Denai Alam or towards Seksyen 7?

I will be 35 yo this year, household income ~17k. No child. Total loan amounted to 1m (3 houses, 2 HP). My dream house is ~700k too, but at current economic climate quite scared to take new loan đŸ˜…
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With your income you can easily afford a 700k house if you want, you can dispose some of your other houses if you want to be safe.

Location is Seksyen U12. It’s more towards real Shah Alam not some some far far away places with Shah Alam address.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 20 2020, 08:25 PM)

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Further opr cut mean previous cuts wasn't sufficient, could mean falling into liquidity trap.

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Further opr cut mean previous cuts wasn't sufficient, could mean falling into liquidity trap.
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Will drop? Or to hold for few months?

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/furt...abour-drop-marc
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QUOTE(Ekash @ May 31 2020, 01:02 AM)
Instead of moving liquidity into productive investment, big portion of liquidity has gone into bursa as typical malaysian would for fast and free money.

When bursa crash, the country will likely or almost certain falls into liquidity trap.

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If possible, may i know the location? Around Denai Alam or towards Seksyen 7?

I will be 35 yo this year, household income ~17k. No child. Total loan amounted to 1m (3 houses, 2 HP). My dream house is ~700k too, but at current economic climate quite scared to take new loan đŸ˜…
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3 house u rented out can earn how much?
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Instead of moving liquidity into productive investment, big portion of liquidity has gone into bursa as typical malaysian would for fast and free money.

When bursa crash, the country will likely or almost certain falls into liquidity trap.
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Agreed, but how to keep ourselves not being affected?
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Agreed, but how to keep ourselves not being affected?
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Almost everyone will be affected one way or another. It is a matter of mitigate fallout and waiting for opportunity. For the time being, keeping in FD is not a bad idea.

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 31 2020, 12:02 PM)
3 house u rented out can earn how much?
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/econ...further-opr-cut

-25bps, -50bps, no change???
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jul 6 2020, 10:39 PM)
Rate cut mean negative outlook. FD rate lower than inflation rate will erode purchasing power i.e reduced consumers spending and investment moving forward.

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Rate cut mean negative outlook. FD rate lower than inflation rate will erode purchasing power i.e reduced consumers spending and investment moving forward.
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jul 7 2020, 12:09 AM)
And they still said inflation stagnant aldy?
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Rate cut mean negative outlook. FD rate lower than inflation rate will erode purchasing power i.e reduced consumers spending and investment moving forward.
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As if Biang Ge can understand basic economics biggrin.gif
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Scarifice long term growth to ease short term pain.
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That I kinda agree.. Well can only pray thr economy get better quickly, and all can have their food happily..
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That I kinda agree.. Well can only pray thr economy get better quickly, and all can have their food happily..
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Economic activities is likely interrupted by outbreak from time to time in places until herd immunity is achieved from vaccine.

With more high rise completing in next few years, overhang is widening, more buyers are committed to loan repayment i.e less disposable income and consumers spending.

Economy will take longer than most expected to recover.
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Is it wise to take fixed rate loan now?
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jul 7 2020, 04:42 PM)
Is it wise to take fixed rate loan now?
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Fixed rate will be priced higher to account for future OPR increase. So I think flexi is still better
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it is opposite... people usually spend more as a result of lower interest rates as profit not as much as it seen to be moving forward. Businesses might take this opportunity to reassess the opportunities going to have by borrowing more to expand their capacity and to conduct viable investment as loan rates are lower than before.
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Corporate debt will go up to fund expansions.
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QUOTE(wualalala @ Jul 7 2020, 04:50 PM)
it is opposite... people usually spend more as a result of lower interest rates as profit not as much as it seen to be moving forward. Businesses might take this opportunity to reassess the opportunities going to have by borrowing more to expand their capacity and to conduct viable investment as loan rates are lower than before.
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Those indebted will save on loan interest. Business invest based on prospect, interest rate is a factor only.

QUOTE(Zwean @ Jul 7 2020, 05:00 PM)
Corporate debt will go up to fund expansions.
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Corporate investment depend on prospect. However zombie companies will borrow relentlessly.

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As if Biang Ge can understand basic economics  biggrin.gif
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That guy/girl/creature keeps saying the same message for the past few years! All of his messages has a pessimist theme to it, never positive!
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but banks is increasing the spread...
so it's minimal differences hmm.gif


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but banks is increasing the spread...
so it's minimal differences hmm.gif
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Worst time to get loan is during low opr especially when it's down a few times in a yr đŸ˜…đŸ˜…đŸ˜…

Banks r not silly to lose their fd interest wan. Loanees ll pay for the price. But it's normal tat ALL gurus ll say its the best time to get loan now.

đŸ„đŸ’©
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QUOTE(realityyffr @ Jul 7 2020, 05:40 PM)
That guy/girl/creature keeps saying the same message for the past few years! All of his messages has a pessimist theme to it, never positive!
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The reality is property market has been on downtrend in the last few years. Given current available data, the country economy is almost certain on downtrend for next few years.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 7 2020, 07:01 PM)
Worst time to get loan is during low opr especially when it's down a few times in a yr đŸ˜…đŸ˜…đŸ˜…

Banks r not silly to lose their fd interest wan. Loanees ll pay for the price. But it's normal tat ALL gurus ll say its the best time to get loan now.

đŸ„đŸ’©
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Don't know if there's would be another cut later?
U got lobang information đŸ˜

Well guru needed to cari makan also đŸ¤‘
Whatever... Banks always win in any situation... Profit is must...
Do u see any banks reporting losses recent years??
Maybe during 97 time..
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 7 2020, 08:18 PM)
Don't know if there's would be another cut later?
U got lobang information đŸ˜

Well guru needed to cari makan also đŸ¤‘
Whatever... Banks always win in any situation... Profit is must...
Do u see any banks reporting losses recent years??
Maybe during 97 time..
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I thought some banks last quarter report showing loss aldy??
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I thought some banks last quarter report showing loss aldy??
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Oh really...
Didn't realize that...

Which bank? đŸ¤”
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but banks is increasing the spread...
so it's minimal differences hmm.gif
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I don't see bank increasing the spread. People are still getting 3.15-3.3 which is the same net as people taking loan before the consecutive drops.
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I don't see bank increasing the spread. People are still getting 3.15-3.3 which is the same net as people taking loan before the consecutive drops.
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Should be lower not same...
So spread have increase...
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Should be lower not same...
So spread have increase...
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Oh really...
Didn't realize that...

Which bank? đŸ¤”
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MxSx ?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 7 2020, 08:18 PM)
Don't know if there's would be another cut later?
U got lobang information đŸ˜

Well guru needed to cari makan also đŸ¤‘
Whatever... Banks always win in any situation... Profit is must...
Do u see any banks reporting losses recent years??
Maybe during 97 time..
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If bank incurred losses mean less loan could be approved.
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If bank incurred losses mean less loan could be approved.
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If company make losses or less profit, reduce sales ?
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jul 7 2020, 10:58 PM)
If company make losses or less profit, reduce sales ?
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Banks need to meet capital ratio.

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Why lower?
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Wait little longer..
Then u know..
Banks slowpoke on this matters...
But fast on FD whistling.gif
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Banks need to meet capital ratio.
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Capital ratio requirements already reduced. On top of that a substantial sum of MGS held by banks are now considered part of bank's capital as per BNM's statement in March https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bnm-...tio-lowered-3-2
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MxSx ?
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BR, MBSB, Agro etc.
This one all I don't really follows....

Maybe u says is true... They incurred losses...
Not really fully commercially driven....
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Banks need to meet capital ratio.
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Even if that is the case, do nothing? Just wait for blood to be knee deep and bleed to death?
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Even if that is the case, do nothing? Just wait for blood to be knee deep and bleed to death?
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Buy when blood is knee deep on the floor.
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Buy bank shares or buy property? tongue.gif
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Buy bank shares or buy property?  tongue.gif
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Wait little longer..
Then u know..
Banks slowpoke on this matters...
But fast on FD whistling.gif
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I don't understand the part where you said because right now the rate other people getting is the same, it means that spread has increased sweat.gif

Shouldn't it be the same mathematically? If the spread has increased, BR+Spread should be higher, no?
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so now the benchmark for housing loan rate is ... 2.85%?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jul 8 2020, 09:38 AM)
I don't understand the part where you said because right now the rate other people getting is the same, it means that spread has increased sweat.gif

Shouldn't it be the same mathematically? If the spread has increased, BR+Spread should be higher, no?
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if the old loans rate is also based on the latest BR (after OPR cut), then compare it against new loan rate, if similar, then I think okay.. but somehow, the BR not necessary must drop in line with OPR drop, so need to watch out...
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Buy bank shares or buy property?  tongue.gif
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those believe they outsmart bank buy property.
Flowers sellers always claims his flowers is freshest regardless.
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Vely true when u look at fun minizer selling funds đŸ¥±
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if the old loans rate is also based on the latest BR (after OPR cut), then compare it against new loan rate, if similar, then I think okay.. but somehow, the BR not necessary must drop in line with OPR drop, so need to watch out...
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Yes. I do understand that BR doesn't necessarily drop according to OPR drop. But BR for a single bank would be the same across the board for all right? So, if an old client of a bank is paying 3.2% interest, and the new client also being offered 3.2%, shouldn't it mean that for both of them BR+spread is the same?
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Yes. I do understand that BR doesn't necessarily drop according to OPR drop. But BR for a single bank would be the same across the board for all right? So, if an old client of a bank is paying 3.2% interest, and the new client also being offered 3.2%, shouldn't it mean that for both of them BR+spread is the same?
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So far BR all drop in tandem

Spread is fixed
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So far BR all drop in tandem

Spread is fixed
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BR is depends on bank negara interest.

Spread is depends on your credit worthiness.
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BR is depends on bank negara interest.

Spread is depends on your credit worthiness.
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BR depends on the bank's cost of funds.

If their cost of fund increase so will their BR whether OPR is adjusted or not.

The fixed spread is the key factor here, so get as low of a spread as possible.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jul 8 2020, 09:53 AM)
Yes. I do understand that BR doesn't necessarily drop according to OPR drop. But BR for a single bank would be the same across the board for all right? So, if an old client of a bank is paying 3.2% interest, and the new client also being offered 3.2%, shouldn't it mean that for both of them BR+spread is the same?
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yes, but what if they don't want to drop?

QUOTE(Zwean @ Jul 8 2020, 10:17 AM)
So far BR all drop in tandem

Spread is fixed
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Not necessary, you may check the historical BR rates movement vs OPR movement across few banks over the past few years... the timing of BR drop can be delayed by quite some time as well.

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I'm in dilemma and become more confuse now (sorry, its my first property)
When I did my research, spread rate seems to be fixed.

SO for example, in my situation, i have 2 offers last week:
MBB= 2.0 (BR) + 1.35(SR) = 3.35
RHB= 2.75(BR) + 0.55(SR) = 3.30

So based on the discussion here, aiming on lower SR, it is a wise choice to go for RHB then?

I charted a trend graph as well to see the health of the banks.

user posted image

Did a very basic forecast (again, apologies as finance is not my strong suite, just trying to get a calculative decision - aware that there's tons of other factors that can impact the forecast)
Any guru to guide me on the decisioning here?

user posted image
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i wonder if anyone still have those blr - x.x% package.
if got those then the loan damn cheap.

imagine many many years ago, there were those blr - 1% package.

fast forward now if blr is 2.5% then including the negative spread means only 1.5%?


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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 8 2020, 11:18 AM)
i wonder if anyone still have those blr - x.x% package.
if got those then the loan damn cheap.

imagine many many years ago, there were those blr - 1% package.

fast forward now if blr is 2.5% then including the negative spread means only 1.5%?
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BR and BLR is different.

BLR is higher than BR Internally they still have BLR
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 8 2020, 11:18 AM)
i wonder if anyone still have those blr - x.x% package.
if got those then the loan damn cheap.

imagine many many years ago, there were those blr - 1% package.

fast forward now if blr is 2.5% then including the negative spread means only 1.5%?
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if they set BLR = BR, then definitely we got negative interest like those happened in JPn...

QUOTE(Zwean @ Jul 8 2020, 11:35 AM)
BR and BLR is different.

BLR is higher than BR Internally they still have BLR
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true, old loans are still based on BLR...
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QUOTE(popiah88 @ Jul 8 2020, 11:13 AM)
I'm in dilemma and become more confuse now (sorry, its my first property)
When I did my research, spread rate seems to be fixed.

SO for example, in my situation, i have 2 offers last week:
MBB= 2.0 (BR) + 1.35(SR) = 3.35
RHB= 2.75(BR) + 0.55(SR) = 3.30

So based on the discussion here, aiming on lower SR, it is a wise choice to go for RHB then?

I charted a trend graph as well to see the health of the banks.

user posted image

Did a very basic forecast (again, apologies as finance is not my strong suite, just trying to get a calculative decision - aware that there's tons of other factors that can impact the forecast)
Any guru to guide me on the decisioning here?

user posted image
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really good forecast, from the forecast RHB bank more advantage rather than MBB.
but i already sign for MBB for islamic loan. my current 3.4%.
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Vely true when u look at fun minizer selling funds đŸ¥±
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I am now dilemma which bank to took for house loan. priority is HLB which offer me 2.88 (BR)+0.32 (SR)

however, heard HLB has the right not follow Bank negara to drop the 0.25% BR. which will occasionally make my loan higher then others later on.


any sifu pls advice
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QUOTE(shaoching @ Jul 8 2020, 01:59 PM)
I am now dilemma which bank to took for house loan. priority is HLB which offer me 2.88 (BR)+0.32 (SR)

however, heard HLB has the right not follow Bank negara to drop the 0.25% BR. which will occasionally make my loan higher then others later on.
any sifu pls advice
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You "heard"..

Wait for confirmation then decide if not in a big rush.
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QUOTE(shaoching @ Jul 8 2020, 01:59 PM)
I am now dilemma which bank to took for house loan. priority is HLB which offer me 2.88 (BR)+0.32 (SR)

however, heard HLB has the right not follow Bank negara to drop the 0.25% BR. which will occasionally make my loan higher then others later on.
any sifu pls advice
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Well, spread rate is fixed after the loan signed. But their BR need to reflect the OPR too as well right? Banks do have the option to not follow, but if they do that, they will lose to competitions.


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QUOTE(popiah88 @ Jul 8 2020, 11:13 AM)
I'm in dilemma and become more confuse now (sorry, its my first property)
When I did my research, spread rate seems to be fixed.

SO for example, in my situation, i have 2 offers last week:
MBB= 2.0 (BR) + 1.35(SR) = 3.35
RHB= 2.75(BR) + 0.55(SR) = 3.30

So based on the discussion here, aiming on lower SR, it is a wise choice to go for RHB then?

I charted a trend graph as well to see the health of the banks.

user posted image

Did a very basic forecast (again, apologies as finance is not my strong suite, just trying to get a calculative decision - aware that there's tons of other factors that can impact the forecast)
Any guru to guide me on the decisioning here?

user posted image
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I think to conclude my question, should we pick a loan with lower or higher spread rate, IF the total interest is the same? And why?
Eg:

MBB= 2.0 (BR) + 1.35(SR) = 3.35
RHB= 2.75(BR) + 0.6(SR) = 3.35

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Not an expert, but personally i will opt for the lowest SR because it's fix across the tenure.
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QUOTE(shaoching @ Jul 8 2020, 01:59 PM)
I am now dilemma which bank to took for house loan. priority is HLB which offer me 2.88 (BR)+0.32 (SR)

however, heard HLB has the right not follow Bank negara to drop the 0.25% BR. which will occasionally make my loan higher then others later on.
any sifu pls advice
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wait little longer first..
banks slow in adjusting the rate but fast on FD rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 8 2020, 03:36 PM)
wait little longer first..
banks slow in adjusting the rate but fast on FD  rclxub.gif
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because my I have placed my booking fee and the form stated I need to get SPA and loan signed within 14 working days. (which now only left 3-4days)

hence, is it possible to extend it until the bank revise the rate? (subsale unit)
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because my I have placed my booking fee and the form stated I need to get SPA and loan signed within 14 working days. (which now only left 3-4days)

hence, is it possible to extend it until the bank revise the rate? (subsale unit)
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try to nego for some extension...
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try to nego for some extension...
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allrite. your opinion is to wait until the bank give a firm revised rate offer letter just sign will be better?
cause bank officer told me will revised accordingly after I signed but not sure bluff or not la.
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allrite. your opinion is to wait until the bank give a firm revised rate offer letter just sign will be better?
cause bank officer told me will revised accordingly after I signed but not sure bluff or not la.
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better wait for official rate first...
sometimes they won't or slow revised... so ended up u the one losing party bruce.gif
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i wonder how much are insurance co offering their fixed rates after all these adjustments.
perhaps those who opting to buy in the near future can take from those as their financiers instead. over the long run, it could be potentially cheaper?
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just wanna ask all sifus here, im considering taking a new home loan (1st property) and currently have two offers from Muamalat (offering 3.45%) and UOB (waiting for official offer). is 3.45% rate is good considering the situation now?
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QUOTE(bestgiler @ Jul 8 2020, 05:07 PM)
just wanna ask all sifus here, im considering taking a new home loan (1st property) and currently have two offers from Muamalat (offering 3.45%) and UOB (waiting for official offer). is 3.45% rate is good considering the situation now?
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Those are about 0.2 higher than the best rates offered before the cut.



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just wanna ask all sifus here, im considering taking a new home loan (1st property) and currently have two offers from Muamalat (offering 3.45%) and UOB (waiting for official offer). is 3.45% rate is good considering the situation now?
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If that loan amount too small? Else the rate is kinda high
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just wanna ask all sifus here, im considering taking a new home loan (1st property) and currently have two offers from Muamalat (offering 3.45%) and UOB (waiting for official offer). is 3.45% rate is good considering the situation now?
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3.2% rate or lower then only accept...
Above is rubbish & con unsuspecting people...
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If that loan amount too small? Else the rate is kinda high
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about 500k loan
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3.2% rate or lower then only accept...
Above is rubbish & con unsuspecting people...
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how much has the loan % been cut since Jan 2019? sorry i lost track but iirc 5 times or 1.25%?

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Due to substantial rebate, discount, cash back, etc; it seems some banks are reluctant to finance first purchase from some developers.

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Due to substantial rebate, discount, cash back, etc; it seems some banks are reluctant to finance first purchase from some developers.
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Due to substantial rebate, discount, cash back, etc; it seems some banks are reluctant to finance first purchase from some developers.
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Those panels having agreement with developer will approve subject to buyers qualification.
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the current OPR is 1.75%
maybank base rate is 1.75, PBB is 2.27, cimb is 2.75,
anyone can advise why some banks has higher base rate? I thought bank's base rate should be as same as OPR.
i got an offer from cimb for 3.25%, agent told me can fight for 3.05% if buy insurance.
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QUOTE(CHLOW301 @ Sep 30 2020, 06:43 PM)
the current OPR is 1.75%
maybank base rate is 1.75, PBB is 2.27, cimb is 2.75,
anyone can advise why some banks has higher base rate? I thought bank's base rate should be as same as OPR.
i got an offer from cimb for 3.25%, agent told me can fight for 3.05% if buy insurance.
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The BR is dependent on banks’ benchmark cost of funds and liquidity (how much can lend out, how much deposits/investment products it needs etc.) Banks can also review it anytime if there are no changes in the OPR. So each bank has their own base rate depending on how they want to encourage their customers' saving vs spending/loan habits. It's not fixed on OPR although they use OPR as a guide.

Maybank is a GLC (government linked company) so they can afford lower BR. Other banks are not so "blessed" with assistance tongue.gif

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The BR is dependent on banks’ benchmark cost of funds and liquidity (how much can lend out, how much deposits/investment products it needs etc.) Banks can also review it anytime if there are no changes in the OPR. So each bank has their own base rate depending on how they want to encourage their customers' saving vs spending/loan habits. It's not fixed on OPR although they use OPR as a guide.

Maybank is a GLC (government linked company) so they can afford lower BR. Other banks are not so "blessed" with assistance tongue.gif
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Overnight Policy Rate is controlled by BNM via Forex, Bonds and Money Circulation hence which is why they will always wait and see hence the meaning overnight which are usually they will take at least a week or more most of the time deliberate major decisions on OPR

Base Rate is set by individual banks which most of the GL banks such as Maybank and Bank Islam which is lower at the moment due to liquidity being pumped in via Malaysian Governmental Securities (MGS), Islamic Bonds (Sukuk) and money circulation via revenue generation through loans, savings, KLSE

If you deep dive why Maybank Base Rate is low is because they are holding a lot of MGS and Sukuk which is their legal obligation set by government in order for them hold the biggest and preferential bank license

Borrowing loan with good credit rating and collateral it is current horse race between Maybank, RHB, CIMB and Ambank for housing followed then by Tier2 house lenders PBB,HLB, Affin


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Bank rate & profit rate all these wayang only.

The only thing that matter is your effective interest rate
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QUOTE(popiah88 @ Jul 8 2020, 02:47 PM)
I think to conclude my question, should we pick a loan with lower or higher spread rate, IF the total interest is the same? And why?
Eg:

MBB= 2.0 (BR) + 1.35(SR) = 3.35
RHB= 2.75(BR) + 0.6(SR) = 3.35
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So, any answer for this question?
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So, any answer for this question?
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No difference, same. Look at the MRTA / MLTA which one is cheaper then.

Also the loan contract have different fees and charges. In my opinion Maybank is the best. Public bank will penalty u a lot if u pay late even one month.
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No difference, same. Look at the MRTA / MLTA which one is cheaper then.

Also the loan contract have different fees and charges. In my opinion Maybank is the best. Public bank will penalty u a lot if u pay late even one month.
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Hmm..if given rate like
MBB BR1.75, rate 3.05% can try appeal to 2.95%
RHB BR 2.5 rate 3
HLB BR 2.63 rate 2.95% No MRTA needed
SC BR 2.27 rate 2.9% No MRTA needed

Which one will be best pick ya?
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QUOTE(lonelyjun @ Oct 1 2020, 01:32 PM)
Hmm..if given rate like
MBB BR1.75, rate 3.05% can try appeal to 2.95%
RHB BR 2.5 rate 3
HLB BR 2.63 rate 2.95% No MRTA needed
SC BR 2.27 rate 2.9% No MRTA needed

Which one will be best pick ya?
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SC 2.9% no MRTA flex.gif
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Bank rate & profit rate all these wayang only.

The only thing that matter is your effective interest rate
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Which Banks hate to disclose most of the time as their profit takes a hit rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(lonelyjun @ Oct 1 2020, 01:32 PM)
Hmm..if given rate like
MBB BR1.75, rate 3.05% can try appeal to 2.95%
RHB BR 2.5 rate 3
HLB BR 2.63 rate 2.95% No MRTA needed
SC BR 2.27 rate 2.9% No MRTA needed

Which one will be best pick ya?
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Hmm..if given rate like
MBB BR1.75, rate 3.05% can try appeal to 2.95%
RHB BR 2.5 rate 3
HLB BR 2.63 rate 2.95% No MRTA needed
SC BR 2.27 rate 2.9% No MRTA needed

Which one will be best pick ya?
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