Not everyone here is muslims and the religious authorities have no jurisdiction over the internet. That one is under MCMC.

is that a crime though?

Why be afraid when you're living your own authentic life? Not like we are out committing crime or anything. If they want something to do, they better be out there catching all the crooks and criminals who had done more serious crimes than living an authentic life.

There are more important issues than arresting us.

And there are so many of us, about 3% of the population which is almost 1 million ... No place can hold us! hahaha

is there any local lgbt forum?

Like a forum specifically for LGBT? None that I know of. Planetromeo used to be popular but its for gay men and I'm not sure if it really functions as a forum.

Polish minister says that the entire country should be an ‘LGBT free zone’
Source: https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/polish-mini...lgbt-free-zone/



Janusz Kowalski, the Polish Minister for State Assets has said that the entire country should become an ‘LGBT free zone’ noting that the country’s constitution only recognises a family as between a man and a woman.

Last year, regions of the country started declaring themselves to be “free from LGBT ideology.” Most of these regions have been in the south-east of the country. The declarations have gotten a widespread backlash outside of Poland, with condemnations from the European Parliament and towns in more LGBTQ+-friendly countries removing twinning arrangements.

The EU has also made the decision to stop funding for Polish areas that have declared themselves to be an ‘LGBT free zone.’ But in an interview with the Polish publication, Rzeczpospolita, Kowalski hit out at this.

Reacting to the news, he said: “We must not allow a single euro to be taken from Poland, Polish local governments, any Polish institutions for complying with the law, for saying ‘no’ to LGBT ideology, for protecting the Polish family.”

He then added that legislation should be brought in to make the entirety of Poland an ‘LGBT free zone’, saying: “First and foremost, Poland should be a LGBT-free zone. We should adopt a law that prohibits financing from public funds, or at the state or local government level, of any activities of organizations that explicitly promote LGBT.”

Another Polish publication, Fakt 24 reports that he added: “All leftist ideologies that hit the traditional family and promote such relations as a man plus a man plus a child are inconsistent with the Polish constitution and cultural heritage.

“This hits our civilization and the DNA of the Polish family, and therefore we reject this extreme ideology.”

His comments are likely to go down well with the Polish president, Andrzej Duda, who narrowly won re-election last month on a campaign of homophobia, in which he called LGBTQ+ rights a “foreign ideology”.

Duda also announced plans to constitutionally ban same-sex marriage and same-sex couples from adopting children. “The Polish constitution should explicitly state that the adoption of a child by a person in a same-sex relationship is excluded,” he said, announcing his plans.

He added that he believed constitutionally banning same-sex couples from adopting would permanently end political discussions around the subject, as there would be “no need to discuss” it anymore.

At a rally during his re-election campaign, Duda described same-sex couples adopting as a form of “experimentation” and “enslavement.”

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Similar motion is being proposed in Malaysia in regards to alcohol whereby areas would be declared alcohol-free. Hopefully it won't go through because once they start to take away one freedom, it will create a domino effect and will continue taking more and more away from us.

This here also is a forum...

Or do you mean a closed one, not open to all?

ya, closed one

here, i don't think so it is

A local gay glorifying (or trying to justify) JAKIM's conversion therapy (aka mukhayyam programme) highlighting that it is voluntary, it is never meant to convert gays into straight and the programme teaches attendants to be "good gay muslims".

Read the whole Twitter thread if you want to cringe.

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• Conversion therapy either through electroshock or prayers has been proven not to work and can lead to depression, anxiety, drug use, homelessness, and suicide. ¹
• A growing number of countries—from Canada to France—are now banning the practice. ²

This post has been edited by internaldisputes: Aug 5 2020, 09:32 AM

Hello everyone

Hello Amy!

Welcome to the joint!

The following is a press statement in response to the recent intimidation by JAKIM towards a human rights activist questioning its state-sponsored conversion therapy;

False claims? You took LGBTQ conversion therapy tweets out of context, groups tell Jakim
Source: https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-groups/1891351



KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 5 — Fifteen local advocacy groups today condemned the Malaysian Department of Islamic Development (Jakim) for reporting a local minority rights activist to the police over her tweets about its methods to “heal” the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) community.

The groups accused Jakim of intimidating human rights defenders by adopting heavy-handed tactics against those who question its methods.

“Jakim’s knee-jerk reaction to lodge a police report is a disproportionate response to the post.

“It sends a message to Malaysians that we are not allowed to question governmental policies and programmes and aims to limit our freedom of expression and our right to information.

“This will restrict public participation of all citizens in relation to laws, policy, directives, and programmes, due to fear of reprisals,” the 15 non-governmental organisations said in a joint statement.

The groups were listed as: Beyond Borders Malaysia, Jaringan Kampung Orang Asli Semenanjung Malaysia, Persatuan Promosi Hak Asasi Manusia, Pergerakan Tenaga Akademik Malaysia, Sabah Women’s Action Resource Group, Aliran Kesedaran Negara, Justice for Sisters, the Pelangi Campaign, the Gay Community Welfare Network, People Like Us Hang Out, Amnesty International Malaysia, Center for Independent Journalism, Sisters in Islam, Tenaganita, and the Asean Sogie Caucus.

They were responding to Jakim director-general Datuk Paimuzi Yahya, who accused activist Nicole Fong of defaming the department in her tweets about its Mukhayyam program targeting Malaysia’s LGBTQ community.

“Writing about conversion therapy, state-funded conversion programmes, and experiences of LGBTIQ persons does not amount to restriction of anyone else’s religious belief.

“Meanwhile, by reporting her to the police based on a misinterpretation of her content, they have denied her right to speech,” the groups said.

The group asserted that Jakim had taken the contents of Fong’s July 30 tweet out of context.

They said Fong’s tweets were accurate and backed by citations accessible online that included published research and Parliament’s Hansard.

The groups also said Fong’s original tweet never implied participants of such programmes were forced attendees.

“We do, however, need a deeper understanding of what is meant by ‘voluntary participation’.

“While a person’s participation in a programme may be voluntary, it does not mean the programmes themselves are aligned with human rights standards.

“Participation and methodology of the programme are two separate things that need to be assessed,” they said.

The Twitter thread started by Fong, included posters advocating awareness of LGBTQ conversion therapies and programmes and was made in reference to Religious Affairs Minister Datuk Zulkifli Mohamad Al-Bakri statement on July 10 that religious authorities would arrest those in the transgender community and provide them religious education to “return to the correct path”.

Jakim filed a police report against Fong’s controversial tweet last Monday, accusing her of likened their Mukhayyam programme to Western therapy practices that employed electric shocks, surgery, forced marriages and corrective rape.

Jakim described her tweet as manipulative, malicious, and aimed at hindering and restricting the right to freedom of religion of Muslims in the LGBTQ community.

Paimuzi said his department’s programmes emphasised spiritual awareness, fardhu ain or religious obligations, guidance, health awareness, motivation, and career guidance.

The 15 groups urged the government to revisit laws and state-run programmes deemed discriminatory to the LGBTQ community, to ensure they adhere to international human rights standards and cited the 2018 observation and recommendations to Malaysia by the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women committee.

A May 2020 report by independent expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz to the United Nations’ Human Rights Council noted Malaysia one of several nations globally that implemented measures to curb LGBTQ activity at the level of public policy.

The report claimed Malaysia had adopted several programmes and plans to curb behaviours perceived as immoral, including same-sex behaviour, and were found to specifically promote practices of ‘conversion therapy’, including through university programmes.

It also noted that reports had indicated that Malaysia was seen as a country in support of other practices, among them include exorcism.

Madrigal-Borloz’s report noted how there was evidence to show that Malaysia had at one point employed aversion techniques in its conversion therapies that included electric shocks.

The country was also identified as those still seen to be practising faith-based conversion healing techniques, where evidence unearthed include the experience of Malaysian transgenders who described being forced to see leaders of faith-based organisations to be “healed” by prayers.

Still nothing change, this country is the worst of the worst in entire earth even place like Pakistan and Iraq support transgender

Hi all, recently i just found out got this LGBT tread here so first of all, i want thank TS for opening this thread. It makes LGBT knows that each other are exists and having some chit chats here.

Here i come to share a youtuber in Malaysia who made videos about LGBT in Malaysia, it is Chinese and do not have Malay/English subs (sorry for that). But this youtuber really supports LGBT and after watching her interviews with LGBT people, really made me feel that we should not treat LGBT as different/sick people.

They really just want to be themselves and gender/sexual orientation is not a choice, they are born with it. Lets say for Transgender, i really feel if they can choose which gender to be before being born they would have chose. And god will always love you because they are the one who made you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnA57FiqKNY...80TNjb&index=16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q-fIXbCkaw...80TNjb&index=20

these 2 videos really made me cry

Thanks Spider for sharing this. I guess you have quite many LGBT close friends as you are very kind, understanding and supportive!

Thanks for your love! ❤️

Hey all, I just want to say that not of all us out there are conservative dickheads who think that being LGBT is abnormal. You should be able to live your life the way you want it.

Thanks Rand! Yeah, we know... There's a lot of allies out there including you and we appreciate that very much.

It's just frustrating sometimes that our voices are drowned by the conservatives.