as far as i concern, no religion allows the adultery, and same sex relationships. if your religion does not mention anything about this, it does not mean it is allowed or condoned it. if you learned that poison is lethal, even nobody tell you not to drink it, under yout justification, are you going to drink it anyway? i think TS is Muslim, are you to justify his sexual orientation by your religion?

And never have I ever said adultery is allowed, adultery is literally one of the unhealthy sexual behaviours I've mentioned, but if sexuality is not even a concern in my religion, what makes you so concerned about it as if it matters or even affects anything. You're hilarious to link sexuality to poison, I'll give you a haha for that. If you're replying to TS, just kindly press the reply button, not post in an open thread like this.

adultery can be hetero n homo as well.i did not link poison to sexuality, it just the way to think about some things which is not said right or wrong but people like you fail to justify. i make another example, something is good, if your religion does not say being rich is good, are u going to be poor

If you really want me to answer that poison question, I'd say if it brings no benefit, by no means I'll drink it, but if it helps a group of people, I'll probably drink it, depending on whether the people are worth to save. Of course, adultery is independent of sexuality, so what's your point? If it's adultery, it's wrong no matter what sexuality the people involved are. Can you not mix common sense with religion? It's common sense to get as rich as possible or for some, as comfortable as they can be, but is it religious? A big no. Religion is just guidance, not command, you don't need a religion to tell(order) you how to live.

Here's an alternative view on the story of Sodome and Gamorrah if you care to read it. Don't get spoonfed by everything the society been telling us because not everything is right.

you are freak when there is a written rules or law in certain religion regarding homosexuality. which in other meaning, it shows it is wrong or sin. but i never heard that muslim/Christian convert to Buddhism to embrace the religion that has no inclination towards judgement of homosexuality. if there any, maybe you know, i dont as it is not my bubble.

to be a non practising one religion is considered ok, but blasphemy is no no.

It's funny that you ask me questions and when I answer your questions, you call me a freak because my answers don't obey your religion when you clearly know I'm a BUDDHIST, LAY BUDDHIST to be specific, not MUSLIM. Tell me which part of the Five Precepts talks about homosexuality.

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I think you just need to be more open-minded to accept alternative views instead of brushing things off as blasphemous.

freak is my term is not weird but getting irritated or angry.i have no problem with your religion, since you said the Five Precepts has no say about homosexuality, that is why you stay with this religion, arent you? to know other religion that condemn this, you get angry.

i think you know more than that, you cant quote something which the interpretation comes from 'open-minded' or not based from the strong reference by the scholars

There's nothing to be angry about because there are Christian and Muslim scholars who are strong LGBT proponents these days (Amina Wadud for example). But of course someone who is inclined towards homophobia would just listen to the one fitting their narratives.

Ah the “book” thing again.

Frankly, I don't see how anyone who looks into the history of the “book” could come away thinking it was somehow a perfect representation of what god (or anyone) wants.

For the sake of argument lets remove the “book” equation for now.
(Don’t want insult anyone “book” ok)

“if you learned that poison is lethal, even nobody tell you not to drink it, under yout justification, are you going to drink it anyway?”

Normal answer is big No. Yet some still choose to drink it.

The justification : The lethal dosage of the poison and the context of the poison it represent.

Is it possible TS know if it is taken in small dose it will not kill him. Heck he might even built up some immunity against that poison and possible some other B*** S*** as well.

I mean early human started eating raw meat before fire was even invented, of course some die due to poisoning, yet some human learn from it and adapt to it.

As for why some take the poison, maybe they saw something that is worth taking it.

-Anyway it is my personal opinion.

If you read what I've written in an angry tone, it will certainly make me sound like I'm mad. I'm just irritated at people that keep using the 'unnatural' thing to back their statement when it's a completely false thing. In reality, I'm not even moved a little by your statements since you're just telling what you assume with a curious tone, at least that's what I thought.

edit: To mean getting irritated or angry, it's 'you are freaked (out)', this is the reason why I misunderstood you.

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is that the lady who be the front person in praying and men behind? i think other muslim will not look upon her views. as you mentioned But of course someone who is inclined towards homophobia would just listen to the one fitting their narratives.

as the TS mentioned But of course someone who is inclined towards homophobia would just listen to the one fitting their narratives. the same thing you just find something that fitting you orientation. in this term is your religion

Well, Buddhism is listed as the religion in my birth cert. So I'm technically a Buddhist since I was born, I don't need to 'find' something to fit my 'orientation', and Buddhism only hopes its lay followers to practise the Five Precepts and encourages them to follow the Eight Precepts if they can. Anyway, cheers and enjoy your night.

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But what make people against the homosexuality is what written in those books. otherwise it can be a lifestyle with nobody finds it is a sin. no problem with it after all.

I'm not sure. Some people consider women to be less than men and hence dismissed her as a deviant. Personally, I hope the mainstream media would offer her a chance to give a talk or maybe debate about gender and sexual diversity in Islam. I think it will be eye-opening.

Ourr muftis and imams—on the other hand— are mostly salaried positions and hence need to issue fatwas according to what the masses/government want/say.

I guess some people just interpret the books differently.

Is there anything else you want to add? You are entitled to your opinion but you are not convincing anyone here to repent because some of us are proud gay muslims as well as proud gay adherents of other religions. We don't find any conflict between our lifestyle and our beliefs at all.