Bagi forumer yang beragama islam disini . apakah reaksi anda mengenai isu Sajat ke umrah ..

Redahkan je la...ya ampun...dia pon hamba gak...
Dunia oh dunia... Dunia akhir zaman....

why open so many thread about this guy? ts you in love with him issit?

yes, but let the authority handle it or else nanti kecam holier than thou pula..

"selemah2 iman itu adalah menentang kemungkaran melalui hatinya"

I’m not a Muslim but there is some line cannot be cross even there is no harm done. There are other ways to gain fame and money. He shouldn’t taken the photo, just do his religion duty quietly and let it between him and his god.

The bigger question is who are you to judge what is right or wrong?

small matter

memang salah pun . ko gila ker apa . lelaki pergi ke tempat perempuan . lagi2 tempat suci .

Apa kesah ? It's between him and God.

dah brp kali buka tered ni?

if he do it quietly, no kuda whatsoever, no one will bat an eye

like most /ktard says, religion is between the person n god only....

See, this is exactly what I mean.

This is YOUR judgment.

Kalau ada dalil ke any references by Islamic scholars then I'm inclined to change my view.

Yes i am.

Because He/she kuda. He applied umrah using a guy's name. Then he went there and became a she. This info was shared and verified by his cousin.

This is not an issue of good muslims vs bad muslims.

this is an issue of fraud. Saudi now have negative view of our people because of this. Later saudi add requirement need doctor validation for gender in future hajj how? Kan dah menyusahkan orang.

Imagine letting a man going to the womens toilet in your building, what do u feel? And now its the holy place summore.

This post has been edited by reed90: Feb 4 2020, 12:23 AM

What is your contention exactly?
Sajat go perform the umrah?
Sajat dressed as a woman while performing the umrah?
Sajat dressed as a woman while performing the umrah and posting photos on Instagram?
Sajat dressed as a woman while performing the umrah and posting photos on Instagram and then gets arrested by the Saudis?

gi letak kat serious /k topic muslim group

The only sajat that i know.

TIL, majalah mustika is bullshit.

as a fasik muslim, I really couldn't care less about him and what he does..he can do all the butt stuff he wants for all I care..

but I do understand why other muslims despise his recent action and their anger are valid..he stained a holy, sacred place with his ego and stupidity after all..

but nevertheless, I still don't care that much to act.. hopefully the Saudis not gonna punish the rest of the Malaysian pilgrims due to his selfish act

Orang marah sebab secara tak langsung gonna effect orang msia nak pegi umrah/haji nanti. Maybe next time orang pompuan kena lagi strict kena check or what sebab ada kes ni, we don't know. Mcm yang orang pegi Australia and Korea pakai visa tourist carik keje la, a few people buat taik and now orang msia dah wanted

Good. Give people who thrives on publicity more publicity.

aku vote no.

sebab apa.

sebab ini cuma hal CELAH KANGKANG.

islam ni agama busybody ke sampai hal celah kangkang orang pun kau nak sibuk? dua negara berperang kerana celah kangkang sorang bapok yang tak dapat dipastikan kesahihannya.

bodoh betul org malaysia ni.

sajat pun lagi sekor bodoh. pegi mekah tak payah la bawak kamera. nak beribadah ke nak mencapap??

Tour agency try to wash hands lel
Anyhoo "let the sinless man cast the 1st stone"
In /k banyak kutuk dosa orang but dosa sendiri sorok2

if you angry why keep continue giving sajat attention??

sama puak bodo macam her 1.4m followers..

tiap hari shout haram but keep share sajat story..

meanwhile she expending her fake healthcare product empire while you still a poorfag.

sampai sekarang sajat tu tak berani tunjuk bukti dari hospital kerajaan dia bukan lelaki
tapi urusan mahkamah dan rasmi masih guna nama lelaki lel

Kinda irrelevant logic, since almost anyone can put on a full burqa and go into women's toilet.

Stop making pandan people famous la bodo

why does it matter?

peribahasa melayu dah sebut jangan jaga tepi kain orang.

ni bukan tepi kain tapi dah masuk dalam kain.

sajat bukan sorang je transgender dalam dunia ni.

melayu masih duduk dalam tempurung ke?

ok liberal defender of lgbtbbq sori jika menyinggung perassan

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhshshsh

kenapa suara beliau macam enjin diesel

benda terawal yang dr mujahid buat bila amik jawatan ialah menyantuni LGBT. bagi orang yang anti-PH akan nampak ni macam liberal. tapi sebenarnya dr mujahid dah lama serius nak tackle issue LGBT ni sejak dia dalam NGO lagi.

sebab tu aku berpandangan orang politik tak sesuai buat benda NGO. kita rasa bila dapat kuasa kita boleh didik masyarakat. hakikatnya dalam senario politik malaysia bila kau dapat kuasa, lebih mudah amik posisi authoritarian dari posisi mendidik.

Hahah dalam tempurung

ya.

orang melayu post-DEB memang masih bawah tempurung.

transgender bukan isu baru. zaman dulu transgender ni bahasa melayunya adalah "kedi". dalam wayang lama dan kitab2 manuskrip melayu pun banyak mention.

kau bayangkan dalam zaman globalisasi ni masih ada melayu2 dalam internet yang secara terbuka suruh hukum bunuh sajat ni.

satu bukti yang melayu post-DEB ni gagal untuk melihat konteks dunia yang lebih global.

Problem dia ialah Sajat ni menunjuk.
Nobody give a f pun dia bapuk ke tak.
Tapi dia sendiri yg cari nahas sebab showoff, konon perempuan sejati, kekayaan, harta, etc.
Family aku pun ad je bapuk tapi tak perangai riak macam sajat ni.
Problem dia bukan sebab dia bapuk tapi perangai riak nak menunjuk konon dia boleh buat ibadah pakai telekung etc.
Ko bapuk ko duduk diam2 la tak perlu nak publicity.
Once ko sendiri dah publicity pastu cakap orang lain sibuk jaga tepi kain orang? Ko punya bangang pun lebih kurang Sajat.

the impact is big

saudi arabia maybe will limit malaysian pilgrimage because of him alone

kan dia ni khunsa,
boleh putar-putar,
sesuka hati,

Trans lain elok je dress mcm laki gi umrah

This post has been edited by kopihazelnut: Feb 4 2020, 04:16 AM

No complaint maybe no limit. So sabar la manusia sikit kecoh... We are too far and going backward.

backward apa kebenda.. polis saudi dah cari sajat tu

siap warning lagi.. this is saudi arabia.. not malaysia

malu weh.. malu..

Siapa suruh bising and complaint.

If the almighty welcomes shim to His home, why you all need to judge on almighty’s behalf?

If almighty doesn’t welcome, sure got accident/ plane crash etc that will prevent shim to set foot in almighty’s house...no?

expecting Pak Afghan to run a train on him lel

it's in their culture after all to go for the boipucci bacha bazi-style

as if the local's respect to outsiders are not low enough as it is due to to some fisq doing such depraved thing or the apparent nifaq

apathy even in the holy land where no such thing as brotherhood or sense of ummah only difference of sects and beliefs and the question of bid'ah

that's why have to go there and solely focus on your umrah have confidence in your ibadah because your earnest act can only truly be judged by Him

no matter what you need to go there prepared

Yes, very angry.
How dare Arab cabar our maruah.
Buat Kongres Maruah Tercabar this friday?

Many of my pondan/bapuk friend/koliks went umrah. None of them wearing woman telekung or praying clothes.

To do this, Sajat went overboard. Disrespectful act.

Bodoh, have some respect la. Stupid pondan

It's wrong...but don't care....

It's his own problem...

Buat umrah tak salah.
Masuk negara as lelaki tapi pray as pompuan tu salah.
Swmayang kat tempat perempuan itu salah walaupun koteh dah kena buang. Hakikatnya asalnya dia lelaki

Kesian. U nak piap dia, silakan. Nak promos I dia lagi. Adui

sekarang ni siapa yang tak give a fuck? aku rasa sajat yang tak give fuck tapi orang macam kau yang give a fuck. kau ada add instagram dia ke?

mana kau tahu sajat tu trans?

How u know she woman or khunsa

This post has been edited by kopihazelnut: Feb 4 2020, 07:17 AM

mana kau tahu? takyah jaga tepi kain orang.

disrespect jadah apa.

yang lelaki pun banyak raba pompan masa tengah tawaf. tu bukan disrespect ke?

suara lelaki bukan bermaksud trans.

apa guna pakai henfon mahal kalau google maksud trans pun malas?

Habis dia apa?

He/she got it wrong

Like this every guy can just pretend to be a girl whenever he feels like it and rasa-rasa girls in crowded places meant for girls and go female bathrooms etc. Imagine some guy saying he feels feminine and then hangs out in the bathroom where your sisters and mothers are.

kau ni sama la macam JAIS yang suka pecahkan pintu hotel murah.

benda dalam kain.

kau tahu ke apa sebenarnya benda yang berada kat celah kangkang sajat tu?

kalau kau tahu, silakan bagitahu satu dunia.

Wonder which toilet she go to?

Betul.

Rakyat Malaysia suka membawang. Add Instagram dia kemudian butt hurt. Membawang dalam ajaran Islam ke?

Tak suka, janganlah tengok. Macam makanan babi dan arak sama saja. Kenapa suka mudah butt hurt? Dia macam babi. Tak suka jgnlah tengok. Tapi segenlintir orang suka mejerit untuk Islam, tatkala sebenarnya hati hamsap mahu tahu mcm mana organ badan Sajat. Lebih ingin menyentuhnya. Janganlah buat bodoh sekarang.

Korupsi negara tak peduli. Diskriminasi di Malaysia tak peduli. Tiba Tiba Nak jadi penegak Islam.

Nak salahkan seseorang, suruhlah Mekkah update system mereka yang mengakibatkan hal ni berlaku.

This post has been edited by gashout: Feb 4 2020, 07:35 AM

apa la korang nie, pasal bapok sorang pon nak bergaduh, memang betul dia salah, lebih2 lagi buat perkara macam tu di Tanah Suci Mekah, tapi pihak berkuasa Arab Saudi dah ambil tindakan so let them do their job, dan noe mungkin pengajaran bagi Sajat, not all things can be share on SocMed, it's his stupidity that have cause harm to him, he's craving for attention maybe because lacks of love.....

No, but personally I think what he/she did was stupid.

I didnt know /k also penyibuk like auntie. Gossip and talk about others. Hmmmmmm

who gives a shit?

Lol. Another pondan giving another excuse.

Wtf bodoh

It is the doctor to classified as man or woman in medical/law point of view. That is what decided in IC whether you are a man or woman.

Should law allowed a man suddenly want to be a woman can change his sex? I'm not talking about transgender but normal man. Transgender also very unlikely in the middle neither man or woman. It is either inclined to be on either side. This is to be decided medically.

+1

The most accurate and good reply.

The blame should be with the parents. They know the truth. Yet they allow their son to act as such.

Ayam legit muslim. Ayam is outraged

red1982 = dadah

both like to post ghey dato and pondan.

Haha ak insta pun xde. Twitter pun xde. And fb pun just for business. So I dont give a f about sajat ko punya idola tu pegi bj dia la.

Couldn't care less. To the ones that triggered, why focus on nonsense? You guys better of taking care what's close to you instead.

Nothing wrong, she managed to get there, means it is by god's will..people call it takdir...it is between him and god..no human can give judgement..

This post has been edited by ahpoo: Feb 4 2020, 09:42 AM

outrage is pretty much understandable though

an insult to those unable to go

due to time, monetary, physical or other limitations

this is mengkuda by menunggang agama

mengkuda tahap tertinggi

who does he want to fool?

God, other people or his deluded self?

funny story though... let say u n i in this place and we see a robbery takes place. u say let catch them and i say, let it be, it's between them and god.

sajat pukimak

I'm no angry but sad and pity.

If God himself not angry by allowing her to come to Mecca then why should we?

bangsa attensi seeker

Where Jais....go raid hotel no.1
This mak nyah clearly walking around parading as girl.



Can ask Jais catch this bitch ass niga

Weak analogy

Your scenario have a 3rd party

Current doesn't except those that terasa which it's all they really are feelings
And self made "victim"

that maybe but a point is a point

Here, I share you an opinion by a female about this and mind you, this is not typical conservative muslim female. She is free hair, sometime wear sexy clothing and really extrovert (maybe some /k people with access to her facebook did read this too);

1. Saya belum berpeluang pergi ke Mekah atau Madinah.

2. Tapi saya biasa pergi ke surau perempuan.

3. Bila di surau, selalu perempuan2 akan buka tudung atau telekung sekejap when they are in-between prayers.

4. Bila nak ambil air sembahyang pun kena buka tudung.

5. Tak kurang juga yang breastfeed anak kecil di surau kalau tak ada nursing room available, selalunya kat surau2 shopping mall kita akan nampak kejadian macam ni.

6. Ada orang kata, kenapa sebok nak ambil tahu isu dalam kain Sajat. Dia ada hak peribadi (personal right).

7. Ok. Then what about the women in the female section of the surau/mosque. Don't they have rights?

8. Gender issue and ambiguity ni ada cara dia dalam Islam. If Sajat is indeed hermaphrodite (as he claims - btw for purpose of this post I will refer to Sajat as male coz that's what's in his passport), dia boleh dapatkan declaration and ubah gender dia. Please remember, Sajat does not identify as transgender or binary.

9. I feel it is unfair and selfish for Sajat to place himself among females when he is biologically male at a place of worship coz he is making a mockery of other women's right to protect their aurat. He applied for the umrah as a male, his passport identifies him as a male and by the travel agency's admission, he did not tell them he is a hermaphrodite (maybe the term intersex is the more politically correct one but you get what I mean).

10. I am sure intersex people have got a lot of challenges in their lives. But the female-only section of the mosque or surau is NOT the place for you to make your stand.

Feel free to disagree.

People can make fuss about this

But canNot make fuss about syndicate that con ppl money to go umrah and haj

Geng sajat ngan geng liberal aja yang tak marah. Semua boleh.

What he did was very stupid.

Honestly if sajat really is intersex, he/she should just get it acknowledged by doctors, get some kind of medical certificate and make things clear for everyone involved with the umrah procedure.

Yeah. Who r u to judge

ayam dont mind if sajat want to go umrah or even hajj. good for him. BUT please go as a HIM rather than a HER. that caused ppl angry. Mecca is a holy place and his behavior is intolerable. Everyone knew he is male, but he die die want to prove he is girl. that makes the claim he is a man even stronger.

so by your logic u would let any wrongdoings happen in the world and crimes would be let free, let God do the work afterward? Or are u telling that a person should have credibility to judge? so if a judge himself say its wrong to be a girl when biologically a man, u will ask the same question?

I think what he did is disrespectful and stupid. But honestly, thats between him and God. If he did this in front of me however, I would probably have some words for him.

Sajat is an iduot. I dont blame him. I blame dumbasses that been supporting him until he reach where he is now.

some questions need answers

1. which side he/she goes to public toilet
2. did he/she ever experience periods

Just wondering out loud.

Malaysia doesn’t allow sex change, right? As in if you were born male, you go Thailand potong didi and come back wanna change gender to Female, NRD won’t layan you at all?

If that’s correct, do we have any exceptions at all for intersex / hermaphrodites?

Why so kepoh about other people ?

Please don't mempersiasuikan your religion image.

I have no problem with her lifestyle as long she keeps it low profile, but she did the opposite and display her freak nature to the world, so it is her own doing and receive backlash for it, stupid move.

Also I believe we should practise Islam in moderation, because too much microscope in every issue is bad for us and everyone else.

Did you know the cash in your wallet has pass hand thousands of time? Did you know the utensils you use in some restaurant or food court are not clean properly? Imagine it being use by nons? See the extremism?

The only people that could make me angry are corrupt politicians, criminals and big bully.

This post has been edited by smsid: Feb 4 2020, 10:47 AM

Pipul potong lj and go kuda around, you terase angry pula. Ignore sahaja be wiser.


Suka hati Nur Sajat do whatever. Not your business apa peduli? Self marah sendiri sakit hati, for what? Better just take care of self and own mental health. Pipul clown around, it's their business.

not angry, rather kesian with heshe punya bebal.

someone should put a stop to heshe's antics.


This post has been edited by pokchik: Feb 4 2020, 10:58 AM

not sure if trolling or plain stupid

His actions has painted a bad name for Malaysian pilgrims. And at risk of getting Malaysians banned from ever going there. This is why there's religious authority to regulate this kind of issues, cuz it will impact others

Couldn’t care less. Angry or not won’t guarantee you any good grace from God.

Soalan yg lebih penting...the didi potong already or not? Dat ass though