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post Jan 31 2020, 09:36 AM, updated 5y ago

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Hi, I plan to upgrade my pc to play fallout 4 (light-medium modding) and the division with high-ultra setting, here is my pc rig below:


i3-4170
b85m d3h
8gb 1600 ram
gtx 1060 3gb
550w masterwatt psu



Recently I have plan to upgrade the i3 4170 to i7-4770, i5-4670 or i5-4970, because it can save some amount of money to buy a decent case.

While, the second option is selling the cpu, mobo, ram set and buy new amd set like r5 2600 or 3600, b450m mortar, and ddr4 ram, but I also need to pay more extra money and also my old cpu mobo ram set was not worth to sold out and get lesser amount of money like rm 240…....


So, may I ask which option could recommend me for upgrade and modify on my PC part ? if anybody vote to buying a new amd set then I had no choice to selling out my old cpu mobo ram set to get rm 240 since I bought the i3-4170, b85m d3h and 8gb ram with around rm 740++ at that time......



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post Jan 31 2020, 09:42 AM

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if can find i7-4770 then upgrade to tat... budget issue ma..

ryzen 2600 is like a grand canyon kind of jump from ur current spec
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post Jan 31 2020, 10:33 AM

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That depends on your budget
Are you trying to push fps or graphic quality to next tier?

You wouldn't want to sacrifice fps for graphic quality on the above-mentioned games

Have you diagnose with MSI afterburner?
https://pcgamehaven.com/easily-monitor-cpu-gpu-usage-gaming/

cpu upgrade may improve fps slightly
but won't help graphic quality by much

This post has been edited by 1mr3tard3d: Jan 31 2020, 10:36 AM
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post Jan 31 2020, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Jan 31 2020, 10:33 AM)
That depends on your budget
Are you trying to push fps or graphic quality to next tier?

You wouldn't want to sacrifice fps for graphic quality on the above-mentioned games

Have you diagnose with MSI afterburner?
https://pcgamehaven.com/easily-monitor-cpu-gpu-usage-gaming/

cpu upgrade may improve fps slightly
but won't help graphic quality by much
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I just wanna play any games with high-ultra setting and the fps could remain around 45 to 90, just want to felt it smooth, no Shuttering no stund on the graphics for a while if can


My budget can expand around rm 700 800 only for next r5 2600 build, and also my old pc rig was no price valuable for selling and still wanna to keep it if can since was bought at the price of rm 740+
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post Jan 31 2020, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Jan 31 2020, 09:36 AM)
Hi,  I plan to upgrade my pc to play fallout 4 (light-medium modding) and the division with high-ultra setting,  here is my pc rig below:
i3-4170
b85m d3h
8gb 1600 ram
gtx 1060 3gb
550w masterwatt psu

Recently I have plan to upgrade the i3 4170 to i7-4770, i5-4670 or i5-4970, because it can save some amount of money to buy a decent case.

While, the second option is selling the cpu, mobo, ram set and buy new amd set like r5 2600 or 3600, b450m mortar, and ddr4 ram, but I also need to pay more extra money and also my old cpu mobo ram set was not worth to sold out and get lesser amount of money like rm 240…....


So, may I ask which option could recommend me for upgrade and modify on my PC part ? if anybody vote to buying a new amd set then I had no choice to selling out my old cpu mobo ram set to get rm 240 since I bought the i3-4170, b85m d3h and 8gb ram with around rm 740++ at that time......
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for fallout 4, base game isn't taxing at all so running high/ultra settings with 1060 3GB is fine.
however, modding will push your rig beyond limit.
the moment you start modding it by applying ENB and ReShade it'll punish your 1060 3GB heavily.
with only 3GB VRAM, installing several retexture mods will heavily punish that GPU as well.
installing settlement mods such as sim settlements, or additional build parts for manual settlement building will punish your CPU because the settlement pieces are not pre-combines, an optimisation technique used by bethesda games such as fallout 4 and skyrim.
creation engine, used by fallout 4 and skyrim alike favours RAM speed. modding it will require RAM capacity.

your entire rig will need an overhaul even for medium modding, but that depends subjectively on what you mean on medium modding.
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post Jan 31 2020, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Jan 31 2020, 11:30 AM)
for fallout 4, base game isn't taxing at all so running high/ultra settings with 1060 3GB is fine.
however, modding will push your rig beyond limit.
the moment you start modding it by applying ENB and ReShade it'll punish your 1060 3GB heavily.
with only 3GB VRAM, installing several retexture mods will heavily punish that GPU as well.
installing settlement mods such as sim settlements, or additional build parts for manual settlement building will punish your CPU because the settlement pieces are not pre-combines, an optimisation technique used by bethesda games such as fallout 4 and skyrim.
creation engine, used by fallout 4 and skyrim alike favours RAM speed. modding it will require RAM capacity.

your entire rig will need an overhaul even for medium modding, but that depends subjectively on what you mean on medium modding.
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I wanna try to modify the player char model, add and replace the weapon model (yet although some of the weapon model could require to install the following enb for better look), add new tactical combat system, edit player, enemy, weapon and other stats, scripts or whatever, not heavily to increase more detail and high resolution on game graphics (mostly enhance on the shooting, cheating and female char

Btw i not sure what is the recommend system that can handle the modification on fallout 4 without install any official high resolution texture pack from steam



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post Jan 31 2020, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Jan 31 2020, 12:12 PM)
I wanna try to modify the player char model, add and replace the weapon model (yet although some of the weapon model could require to install the following enb for better look), add new tactical combat system, edit player, enemy, weapon and other stats, scripts or whatever, not heavily to increase more detail and high resolution on game graphics (mostly enhance on the shooting, cheating and female char

Btw i not sure what is the recommend system that can handle the modification on fallout 4 without install any official high resolution texture pack from steam
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modifying character looks are fine, replacing body models are fine too. there's a catch on modding though, you will periodically add a few more mods along the way and this will affect the performance.

therefore, script-based mods such as new combat systems, pack attack etc will gradually pile up and punish the CPU. for the balance, Ryzen 5 3600 is the best bang of the buck. perfectly fit inside a B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard.

for graphics, if you want to install texture mods and stuffs, better GPU is needed. unfortunately, I will only recommend performance of 2060 super or above, with enough VRAM coverage. 5700XT is suitable in this scenario, but it has its own problems Nvidia cards don't face. purple textures may occur because the game engine somehow doesn't like AMD cards.

creation engine also favours RAM speed, so it's best to get a better DDR4 RAM with 3000MHz frequency or above. those aren't expensive, Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz CL16 only sells about RM360 from both lazada and shopee.

these parts can guarantee good performance on many other games as well.

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post Feb 1 2020, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Jan 31 2020, 01:46 PM)
modifying character looks are fine, replacing body models are fine too. there's a catch on modding though, you will periodically add a few more mods along the way and this will affect the performance.

therefore, script-based mods such as new combat systems, pack attack etc will gradually pile up and punish the CPU. for the balance, Ryzen 5 3600 is the best bang of the buck. perfectly fit inside a B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard.

for graphics, if you want to install texture mods and stuffs, better GPU is needed. unfortunately, I will only recommend performance of 2060 super or above, with enough VRAM coverage. 5700XT is suitable in this scenario, but it has its own problems Nvidia cards don't face. purple textures may occur because the game engine somehow doesn't like AMD cards.

creation engine also favours RAM speed, so it's best to get a better DDR4 RAM with 3000MHz frequency or above. those aren't expensive, Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz CL16 only sells about RM360 from both lazada and shopee.





these parts can guarantee good performance on many other games as well.
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...... Actually if I buying a used i7- 4770 and Rx 580 8gb is enough to handle fallout 4 modification ? Cuz your recommend pc system was too high end which is more expensive than i expect to upgrade the new r5 2600 with used gpu.. and also the rtx 2060 super is quite expensive if not mistaken


Btw may I know what is the pc rig that you use to play high fallout 4 modification ?



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post Feb 1 2020, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Feb 1 2020, 11:17 AM)
...... Actually if I buying a used i7- 4770 and Rx 580 8gb is enough to handle fallout 4 modification ? Cuz your recommend pc system was too high end which is more expensive than i expect to upgrade the new r5 2600 with used gpu.. and also the rtx 2060 super is quite expensive if not mistaken
Btw may I know what is the pc rig that you use to play high fallout 4 modification ?
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if u can find a good used rx580 8gb (not mining card, try repaste the thermal paste if too hot) then its good, but seriously not sure whether u can run ultra with over 70fps or not.

I'm using r5 2600 & rx480 8gb and it's still good enough for 1080p.

Like other said, the 2600 cpu will be a huge boost. Can pair with ASRock b450/b450m pro4, the best and budget board of b450.

*BTW I just want to add the rx580 is similar performance with Nvidia 1060. The key diff is the 8gb vram vs ur 3gb vram(or 6 for the same model) , which is for those high texture stuff, u might need to dig more about this be4 pulling the trigger.

This post has been edited by lawliet88: Feb 1 2020, 12:47 PM
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post Feb 1 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Feb 1 2020, 11:17 AM)
...... Actually if I buying a used i7- 4770 and Rx 580 8gb is enough to handle fallout 4 modification ? Cuz your recommend pc system was too high end which is more expensive than i expect to upgrade the new r5 2600 with used gpu.. and also the rtx 2060 super is quite expensive if not mistaken
Btw may I know what is the pc rig that you use to play high fallout 4 modification ?
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Not worth to stick with old Intel platforms especially with all the vulnerability fixes that reduces its performance quite a bit sweat.gif

Just get Ryzen instead (even the first gen ones are good as you still have room for upgrades to new CPUs) icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Feb 1 2020, 12:08 PM)
if u can find a good used rx580 8gb (not mining card, try repaste the thermal paste if too hot) then its good, but seriously not sure whether u can run ultra with over 70fps or not.

I'm using r5 2600 & rx480 8gb and it's still good enough for 1080p.

Like other said, the 2600 cpu will be a huge boost. Can pair with ASRock b450/b450m pro4, the best and budget board of b450.
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The Pro4 is essentially a Gaming K4 (which Hardware Unboxed has reviewed that it has a very good VRM) with fewer features such as RGB lighting icon_idea.gif

Both of them also uses the same VRMs (2x PZ0903PK + 2x PK618BA) and similar heatsink setup :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_...t#gid=611478281

It only has a 3 phase VRM, but it has real, heatsinks that are not obstructed by large plastic shrouds so it is very useful when it comes to cooling the VRMs down icon_idea.gif

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post Feb 1 2020, 12:23 PM

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i used to pay Fallout 4 with my i5 4570, and it is completely fine. I can max out all settings. the GPU will be the bottleneck if anything.

so, in terms of CPU, upgrading to say 4670 or 4690 is more than adequate and you can use your computer for another 2 years?

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Jan 31 2020, 10:53 AM)
I just wanna play any games with high-ultra setting and the fps could remain around 45 to 90, just want to felt it smooth, no Shuttering no stund on the graphics for a while if can
My budget can expand around rm 700 800 only for next r5 2600 build, and also my old pc rig was no price valuable for selling and still wanna to keep it if can since was bought at the price of rm 740+
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And what is your current graphic settings and fps?

Is your cpu usage 100% when gaming?

The average fps benchmark on 1060 3gb is around 60
https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Es.../165268.0.0.0.0

Was vsync on?

RM 700 - RM 800 is not enough for cpu, mobo and ram
neither for next tier gpu upgrade




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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Jan 31 2020, 09:36 AM)
Hi,  I plan to upgrade my pc to play fallout 4 (light-medium modding) and the division with high-ultra setting,  here is my pc rig below:
i3-4170
b85m d3h
8gb 1600 ram
gtx 1060 3gb
550w masterwatt psu

Recently I have plan to upgrade the i3 4170 to i7-4770, i5-4670 or i5-4970, because it can save some amount of money to buy a decent case.

While, the second option is selling the cpu, mobo, ram set and buy new amd set like r5 2600 or 3600, b450m mortar, and ddr4 ram, but I also need to pay more extra money and also my old cpu mobo ram set was not worth to sold out and get lesser amount of money like rm 240…....


So, may I ask which option could recommend me for upgrade and modify on my PC part ? if anybody vote to buying a new amd set then I had no choice to selling out my old cpu mobo ram set to get rm 240 since I bought the i3-4170, b85m d3h and 8gb ram with around rm 740++ at that time......
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In the rush of bulling pc??
Maybe wait until end of this year. Currently there is rumours that pc parts will be more expensive due to Corona Virus. The price is expected to be drop 2 months after the endemic is over.
Somemore Intel, amd and nvidia are introducing new cpu and gpu. Maybe there is a new motherboard too.
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post Feb 10 2020, 01:35 PM

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I would suggest this. Get a new more powerful GPU first, then only consider upgrading the CPU+mobo if not satisfied.
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post Feb 10 2020, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(elemont @ Feb 10 2020, 01:35 PM)
I would suggest this. Get a new more powerful GPU first, then only consider upgrading the CPU+mobo if not satisfied.
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but i think it shouldnt be overly powerful compared to the paired cpu, a proper balance between cpu-gpu is needed to avoid bottlenecking the new gpu.... you might need cpu upgrades to squeeze all the juice from gpu.

also see what games we play gpu intensive, cpu intensive, 2 cores or 4 cores games... etc. sometimes upgrading cpu can give more fps..

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QUOTE(Mea Culpa @ Feb 10 2020, 01:46 PM)
but i think it shouldnt be overly powerful  compared to the paired cpu,  a proper balance between cpu-gpu is needed to avoid bottlenecking the new gpu.... you might need cpu upgrades to squeeze all the juice from gpu.

also see what games we play gpu intensive, cpu intensive, 2 cores or 4 cores games... etc.  sometimes upgrading cpu can give more fps..
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Actually is no difference when you upgrade power gpu first and then upgrade cpu and mobo in future or upgrade the cpu and mobo and power gpu will be buying on future. Only difference is cpu bottleneck, but still can keep power gpu first waiting for good cpu and mobo
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post Feb 11 2020, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(AhBengGor @ Feb 10 2020, 04:09 PM)
Actually is no difference when you upgrade power gpu first and then upgrade cpu and mobo in future or  upgrade the cpu and mobo and power gpu will be buying on future. Only difference is cpu bottleneck, but still can keep power gpu first waiting for good cpu and mobo
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hmmm, that is quite the contradictory to you upgrading i3-4170
You should have gone for RTX 2080 ti or Ryzen 7 3700x, laugh.gif
I am pretty sure you will have cpu/gpu bottleneck by then

save up and stretch your budget to get more significant upgrade
does the price of upgrading from I3-4170 to I7-4170/R5 2600 or 1060 to RX 580 justify the value of performance gain?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVs6sn4VsMc
let the numbers indicate which upgrade is of priority
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post Feb 12 2020, 08:33 PM

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I would suggest you upgrade to Ryzen 7 4th generation. It is the best in the class processor for your upgrade.
Also, go for any latest GTX series.
They are bang for the buck.
And ensure you buy a better MoBo to ensure that your rig can be upgraded next time as well.
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post Feb 12 2020, 08:49 PM

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your current system is balance imo.. if u insist an upgrade with limited budget then up the proc with 2nd hand i7 4770 for rm500 and save the balance for end-year promo/ black friday for GC upgrade to 1660ti or higher then after like 2 years u can start thinking to change that cpu to R5 3600 or higher.

 

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