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post Jan 30 2020, 09:01 AM, updated 6y ago

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Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich explains the forces driving the generational wealth gap between baby boomers and millennials.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:03 AM

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they eat avocado everyday
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:07 AM

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post Jan 30 2020, 09:07 AM

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Ok boomer
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:08 AM

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Boomers are hoarding those wealth.. share la

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post Jan 30 2020, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Jan 30 2020, 09:08 AM)
Boomers are hoarding those wealth.. share la
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Millennials logic. Don't do work but want a share of the wealth. Tongkatus maximus syndrome.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 30 2020, 09:10 AM)
Millennials logic. Don't do work but want a share of the wealth. Tongkatus maximus syndrome.
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ok boomer
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(thxxht @ Jan 30 2020, 09:03 AM)
they eat avocado everyday
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(animemy @ Jan 30 2020, 09:01 AM)

Former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich explains the forces driving the generational wealth gap between baby boomers and millennials.
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totally agree!

My parents are Baby Boomers and they agree as well.

Baby Boomers were very lucky, they have taken and exhausted all world's resources.

Before Millennials were born they are building wealth already, and after millennial were born, Millennials only work just to sustain them (pay for those Board of Directors, bosses expensive houses, 20 cars, expensive bungalows, expensive travel vacations)

Even richer for politicians like Tun's generation very lucky.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:15 AM

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Because boomers think paying 2k for fresh grad is a lot alrdy, and doubling the property prices in a decade is sensible, and that their success are ALL due to their "hard work" alone
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:17 AM

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I am a millennial in my 30s, born in the late 80s... hurm..
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:18 AM

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post Jan 30 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jan 30 2020, 09:14 AM)
healthy wat
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not healthy for the pocket
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:22 AM

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The yolo lifestyle of strawberry generation.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:23 AM

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post Jan 30 2020, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(LiMi @ Jan 30 2020, 09:15 AM)
Because boomers think paying 2k for fresh grad is a lot alrdy, and doubling the property prices in a decade is sensible, and that their success are ALL due to their "hard work" alone
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this one is true.
satu tangan tepuk tak berbunyi.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:25 AM

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Ok Boomer.

As long as I get to change iPhone every year.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:25 AM

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Too many people, have to print more money... causing shrinking currency values...


So the same amount of money buy you less stuff..



Banks/financial system are one of the main culprits.


For the US, the constant need to go to war and fund their military for occupation is another reason.


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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Jan 30 2020, 09:25 AM)
Too many people, have to print more money... causing shrinking currency values...
So the same amount of money buy you less stuff..
Banks/financial system are one of the main culprits.
For the US, the constant need to go to war and fund their military for occupation is another reason.
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Uncle Sam wasn't war mongering red neck until Jipunis bombed their Pearl Harbor. Blame Jipunis for that.
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QUOTE(thxxht @ Jan 30 2020, 09:19 AM)
not healthy for the pocket
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who cares

healthy > money
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Money is a modern slavery system invented by the elite few to enslave the bulk to keep on working for them.
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:30 AM

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Born after which year only count as millennial?
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:31 AM

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yaga....based on ayam conversation with cny fren, all earn at least >10k per month. drive big car, buy big house, annual europe trip, and ipong
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 30 2020, 09:10 AM)
Millennials logic. Don't do work but want a share of the wealth. Tongkatus maximus syndrome.
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actually theres some truth to it,

one of the core reasons why people find it hard to move up or get good income is cause retirement age is increasing

so if you think about it the cost of goods and services are going up, but the relative income level of an individual doesnt go up unless the older generation retires.


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One of my relatives complained that her salary as a senior bank manager pales in comparison to the salary of a newly promoted bank manager today.

Another relative complained that his salary as a sole practitioner lawyer pales in comparison to the salary of many sole practitioner lawyers today.

Many of my friends came from poor to lower-middle income families. Today, several of them have, at the ages of 37 to 39, already made their first million. One or two on their way to their third or fourth million.

Millennials have access to better education, better healthcare, better technology, better transportation, a globalized world, etc. Compared to the "boomers".

I cannot brain some of these things sometimes.....
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 09:35 AM)
One of my relatives complained that her salary as a senior bank manager pales in comparison to the salary of a newly promoted bank manager today.

Another relative complained that his salary as a sole practitioner lawyer pales in comparison to the salary of many sole practitioner lawyers today.

Many of my friends came from poor to lower-middle income families. Today, several of them have, at the ages of 37 to 39, already made their first million. One or two on their way to their third or fourth million.

Millennials have access to better education, better healthcare, better technology, better transportation, a globalized world, etc. Compared to the "boomers".

I cannot brain some of these things sometimes.....
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 09:35 AM)
One of my relatives complained that her salary as a senior bank manager pales in comparison to the salary of a newly promoted bank manager today.

Another relative complained that his salary as a sole practitioner lawyer pales in comparison to the salary of many sole practitioner lawyers today.

Many of my friends came from poor to lower-middle income families. Today, several of them have, at the ages of 37 to 39, already made their first million. One or two on their way to their third or fourth million.

Millennials have access to better education, better healthcare, better technology, better transportation, a globalized world, etc. Compared to the "boomers".

I cannot brain some of these things sometimes.....
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 30 2020, 09:38 AM)
......... and yet you term yourself theBornLoser.......... hmm.gif
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Shhhh..... I am trying to stay low profile...... just make sure you don't lose to me, that's all..... biggrin.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jan 30 2020, 09:38 AM)
ok boomer
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Yeah, at the ripe old age of 39, I actually feel like a 60 year old now.... so much stress and pressure in life.... sad.gif

It is true what they say... money may buy you a home, a comfortable life, a stable family life, and some assurances for your loved ones and children, but man, can it not buy you happiness..... sad.gif cry.gif
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post Jan 30 2020, 09:53 AM

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millennial need to do disruptive business in order to be rich like boomers. the distribution of wealth will happen when boomers lose their money and these money come into the hand of millennial.

if not, the maintenance system will still be there.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 30 2020, 09:28 AM)
Uncle Sam wasn't war mongering red neck until Jipunis bombed their Pearl Harbor. Blame Jipunis for that.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 30 2020, 09:10 AM)
Millennials logic. Don't do work but want a share of the wealth. Tongkatus maximus syndrome.
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yes, that is what 50% of millennial support socialism and communism.

That is why Bernie Sanders is going to win the democratic nominee.. The next course of action.. USA will become a socialist country..

GG wealthy people.

You can read more of what I predict will happen to rich people over here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4898221&hl=

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salary never increase for 20 years while other stuff increase by few folds
and they made a video on why millennials don't have money?
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My wife colleague, a 24 years old teacher(guy), buy a new Iriz top spec, the funny thing is he doesnt have a license and dont dare to drive his new car, he actually ask my wife to drive his car from showroom to his home.

Buy, for the sake of buying.
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the total time millennial spend on handphone, games and entertainment, are many times more than their parent working hours. that's a fact.
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QUOTE(sameday @ Jan 30 2020, 10:13 AM)
the total time millennial spend on handphone, games and entertainment, are many times more than their parent working hours. that's a fact.
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 30 2020, 10:01 AM)
My wife colleague, a 24 years old teacher(guy), buy a new Iriz top spec, the funny thing is he doesnt have a license and dont dare to drive his new car, he actually ask my wife to drive his car from showroom to his home.

Buy, for the sake of buying.
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pandan ke
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post Jan 30 2020, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(dennis008 @ Jan 30 2020, 02:19 AM)
pandan ke
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QUOTE(Bilvinduet @ Jan 30 2020, 09:30 AM)
Born after which year only count as millennial?
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 30 2020, 10:01 AM)
My wife colleague, a 24 years old teacher(guy), buy a new Iriz top spec, the funny thing is he doesnt have a license and dont dare to drive his new car, he actually ask my wife to drive his car from showroom to his home.

Buy, for the sake of buying.
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I have a bad news for you
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jan 30 2020, 10:23 AM)
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i tot i was boomers but fall into millennial .. inb4 20k salary no complain
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jan 30 2020, 10:23 AM)
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But mostly it just boils down to Boomer and Non-boomer only in most tokok....... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sakuraba @ Jan 30 2020, 10:29 AM)
i tot i was boomers but fall into millennial .. inb4 20k salary no complain
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sweat.gif boomer born after 1945 ler. are you mahathir's buddy? laugh.gif

after war, all the guy come back and fffffff then boom. babies everywhere.

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study loan is the main cause...even got documentary in utube aready highlight this
2nd is spend habit aka buy WANT item

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QUOTE(pundi @ Jan 30 2020, 10:31 AM)
study loan is the main cause...even got documentary in utube aready highlight this
2nd is spend habit aka buy WANT item
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I know someone buying iPhone that cost 2X of her gross monthly salary.
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QUOTE(pundi @ Jan 30 2020, 10:31 AM)
study loan is the main cause...even got documentary in utube aready highlight this
2nd is spend habit aka buy WANT item
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Apa boleh buat? Everyone needs to show off in their social media. tongue.gif
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Because they are trapped by the idea of go to college and once graduate can become rich. Total bullshit.
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jan 30 2020, 10:35 AM)
I know someone buying iPhone that cost 2X of her gross monthly salary.
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then later need urgent money WTS pulak....just let them be jer la
QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 30 2020, 10:36 AM)
Apa boleh buat? Everyone needs to show off in their social media. tongue.gif
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study loan is kindda 50% own choice and 50% family/every1 do it so... thinggy


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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Jan 30 2020, 10:38 AM)
Because they are trapped by the idea of go to college and once graduate can become rich. Total bullshit.
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It used to be true (grad and get better life) until Msia start mass produce graduates. Now everyone on the street has a cert but questionable quality.
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Do you guys know boomer's health is failing?
Do you guys know large % of boomer still have not move forward into modern age, stuck in the 1990s mindset. Too dumb in the modern society standard?

Base on this two you can easilly make a lot of money from them. Instead of start whining or start making money off the society the old school way. How about start making money at the boomer's expense?
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 30 2020, 10:44 AM)
Do you guys know boomer's health is failing?
Do you guys know large % of boomer still have not move forward into modern age, stuck in the 1990s mindset. Too dumb in the modern society standard?

Base on this two you can easilly make a lot of money from them. Instead of start whining or start making money off the society the old school way. How about start making money at the boomer's expense?
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gotta go sell snake oil and health prolonging charms
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 30 2020, 10:44 AM)
Do you guys know boomer's health is failing?
Do you guys know large % of boomer still have not move forward into modern age, stuck in the 1990s mindset. Too dumb in the modern society standard?

Base on this two you can easilly make a lot of money from them. Instead of start whining or start making money off the society the old school way. How about start making money at the boomer's expense?
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Boomer needs more sexy homecare nurse brows.gif
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 30 2020, 10:01 AM)
My wife colleague, a 24 years old teacher(guy), buy a new Iriz top spec, the funny thing is he doesnt have a license and dont dare to drive his new car, he actually ask my wife to drive his car from showroom to his home.

Buy, for the sake of buying.
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but.. why. gif
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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jan 30 2020, 10:23 AM)
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I did not know boomers were born from 1944 onwards. Looks like my parents are both from boomer generation then. My old man only earned RM300 / month in his first job on SPM qualification. My mom always talked about the potty toilets households of that era used.

Wish we could all be boomers again. Superb lifestyle, and many opportunities to become rich biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 30 2020, 10:42 AM)
It used to be true (grad and get better life) until Msia start mass produce graduates. Now everyone on the street has a cert but questionable quality.
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Everyone on the street has a cert but they're eating in different restaurants.

Hell some even don't need a cert.
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 30 2020, 10:01 AM)
My wife colleague, a 24 years old teacher(guy), buy a new Iriz top spec, the funny thing is he doesnt have a license and dont dare to drive his new car, he actually ask my wife to drive his car from showroom to his home.

Buy, for the sake of buying.
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Hmm is that the story your wife told you? ....
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"ok boomer"

right?

i dont click the vid.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Jan 30 2020, 02:55 AM)
Hmm is that the story your wife told you? ....
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Yeah, with pictures send.

Actually not his house la but in hostels cuz hes warden.

Also he is pandan type guy
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Jan 30 2020, 10:47 AM)
gotta go sell snake oil and health prolonging charms
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yup some health product can profit margin 200-300%, buy at RM100, sell RM500 cause they are uninform dumb lolz

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jan 30 2020, 10:58 AM)
Yeah, with pictures send.

Actually not his house la but in hostels cuz hes warden.

Also he is pandan type guy
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No one would buy a car without licence. And no one would ask a female kolik to drive the new car unless brows.gif
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jan 30 2020, 03:02 AM)
No one would buy a car without licence. And no one would ask a female kolik to drive the new car unless  brows.gif
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Cuz he is too ashamed to ask male colleague and would become the laughing stock.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Jan 30 2020, 11:00 AM)
yup some health product can profit margin 200-300%, buy at RM100, sell RM500 cause they are uninform dumb lolz
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Being in the medical biz this breaks my heart and values

Auntie this thing don't la, go doctor, get proper checkup.

NO, TRATIONAL CINIS MED CURE ALL, WESTERN DR CHEAT MONEY

I'm like "gotta start peddling alore Vera to cure cancer"
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No one would buy a car without licence. And no one would ask a female kolik to drive the new car unless  brows.gif
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Probably didn't drive since the day he got his driving licence. May need to practice in secluded neighborhood before becoming road worthy.
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Jan 30 2020, 11:06 AM)
Being in the medical biz this breaks my heart and values

Auntie this thing don't la, go doctor, get proper checkup.

NO, TRATIONAL CINIS MED CURE ALL, WESTERN DR CHEAT MONEY

I'm like "gotta start peddling alore Vera to cure cancer"
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You cannot make money by just being a doctor anyway.

A doctor recommending a health product = make hell a lot more money.

Auntie What?!! consultation fee RM100? thats scam!
Doctor : OK, Consultation RM30, heres nutritional product you can try see if it work or not.... for RM500. (actual cost RM100)



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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jan 30 2020, 10:35 AM)
I know someone buying iPhone that cost 2X of her gross monthly salary.
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well, baby boomer also got ppl buy taiko tai(1st gen handphone), 1st gen mac or pc which easily cost few times their gross monthly salary then. but didn't see that stopping the "generalization" that baby boomer are the richest generation.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 10:53 AM)
I did not know boomers were born from 1944 onwards. Looks like my parents are both from boomer generation then. My old man only earned RM300 / month in his first job on SPM qualification. My mom always talked about the potty toilets households of that era used.

Wish we could all be boomers again. Superb lifestyle, and many opportunities to become rich biggrin.gif
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So true, that the boomer enjoyed such good economic times.

My parents own property in SG, Msia, Aus, & Canada.. whilst still only being salaried workers..

it's amazing what they have managed to achieve on modest savings and average office workers.

Yet, they are the first to complain about how hard their lives were compared to ours..

OK boomer.
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well, baby boomer also got ppl buy taiko tai(1st gen handphone), 1st gen mac or pc which easily cost few times their gross monthly salary then. but didn't see that stopping the "generalization" that baby boomer are the richest generation.
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Those are generally businessman and someone who needs it. I don' t think that era got ppl who's willing to spend 2x of salary to get a phone.

Take my fresh grad staff, first month salary buy Airpods liao. I earn 5 figures also I cry when I see the Airpods price hahaha. But it's good that they keep the economy going.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 11:18 AM)
So true, that the boomer enjoyed such good economic times.

My parents own property in SG, Msia, Aus, & Canada.. whilst still only being salaried workers..

it's amazing what they have managed to achieve on modest savings and average office workers.

Yet, they are the first to complain about how hard their lives were compared to ours..

OK boomer.
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yes sure, they are correct on life is hard part, since all the money is kept in saving, not in lifestyle or for convenience in daily life.

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QUOTE(brkli @ Jan 30 2020, 11:17 AM)
well, baby boomer also got ppl buy taiko tai(1st gen handphone), 1st gen mac or pc which easily cost few times their gross monthly salary then. but didn't see that stopping the "generalization" that baby boomer are the richest generation.
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Wow it seems you fail to see the big difference.........

There are alternative to cut throat iPhone, so many smartphones nowadays at affordable budget price.
How can you compare buying early adopter tech to buying iPhone? doh.gif Any early adopter of new tech will have to pay the initial high price due to initial cost of the new invention.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Jan 30 2020, 11:23 AM)
Wow it seems you fail to see the big difference.........

There are alternative to cut throat iPhone, so many smartphones nowadays at affordable budget price.
How can you compare buying early adopter tech to buying iPhone? doh.gif Any early adopter of new tech will have to pay the initial high price due to initial cost of the new invention.
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yup, you are correct, yet they(the early adopters, baby boomers) are still the richest generations.

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So true, that the boomer enjoyed such good economic times.

My parents own property in SG, Msia, Aus, & Canada.. whilst still only being salaried workers..

it's amazing what they have managed to achieve on modest savings and average office workers.

Yet, they are the first to complain about how hard their lives were compared to ours..

OK boomer.
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Well, put it this way....

The first time my parents took me overseas was to Singapore. When I was aged 8.

The second time I went overseas was to Australia, when I was aged 15. Reward for good results in PMR. My old man did not go, only me and mum.

Same for my siblings.

The first time I ever ate sushi? When I was 16. Once a year treat from a relative. I discovered how awesome salmon tasted then.

The lifestyles my "salaried" parents led back then were pretty damn stark. Very little on luxuries, a lot on savings, investments, education for kids and a full pantry.

My parents would probably survive in almost any era and in most forms of hardship. Someone like me... like I said before, would 24th floor if I was transported back in time to my father's generation.

But hell yeah, OK boomer! rclxm9.gif
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correct. why your PM still have rock in 100k salary when he`s past his prime time..
and is a transition pm. LEL
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yup, you are correct, yet they(the early adopters, baby boomers) are still the richest generations.
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If baby boomers are the richest generation, then your parents should be leaving your big inheritance lor, why complain? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 11:27 AM)
My parents would probably survive in almost any era and in most forms of hardship. Someone like me... like I said before, would 24th floor if I was transported back in time to my father's generation.

But hell yeah, OK boomer! rclxm9.gif
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Why need extra 10th floors?

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Why need extra 10th floors?
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Why need extra 10th floors?
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Boomers are hoarding those wealth.. share la
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boomers will die sooner or later. eventually still pass to next generations lah. so tackle those rich son or rich daughter for easy wealth? biggrin.gif

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You cannot make money by just being a doctor anyway.

A doctor recommending a health product = make hell a lot more money.

Auntie What?!! consultation fee RM100? thats scam!
Doctor : OK, Consultation RM30, heres nutritional product you can try see if it work or not.... for RM500. (actual cost RM100)
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i know, it just bites me abit to do something like that

like the corona virus thing, i keep telling folks face mask doesnt do shit, you need the legit ones. Surgical masks is to protect someone else from you.

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QUOTE(Milano7 @ Jan 30 2020, 09:53 AM)
millennial need to do disruptive business in order to be rich like boomers. the distribution of wealth will happen when boomers lose their money and these money come into the hand of millennial.

if not, the maintenance system will still be there.
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why so many people could not see the big picture that how long can boomers still live? it is just a matter of time when millennials got their free wealth and can yolo until break leg also no worry.

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Middle class is disappearing and those who continue to play the blame game will just be left behind and drop to lower class.

Step up, work hard and smart, sink or swim.
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yes sure, they are correct on life is hard part, since all the money is kept in saving, not in lifestyle or for convenience in daily life.
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yeah, but they are complaining to deaf ears since I don't buy things unless i need it. heck, my phone is still a S7 edge.. I bought almost 4 years ago now. Still working like brand new. Just battery doesn't last as long as I would hope it did. But that is expected with old phones.
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Middle class is disappearing and those who continue to play the blame game will just be left behind and drop to lower class.

Step up, work hard and smart, sink or swim.
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Elect me, I can change everything overnight.

I will re-categorize to T90, M5 and B5. 90% ppl will be top tier and happy to vote for me. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 11:27 AM)
Well, put it this way....

The first time my parents took me overseas was to Singapore. When I was aged 8.

The second time I went overseas was to Australia, when I was aged 15. Reward for good results in PMR. My old man did not go, only me and mum.

Same for my siblings.

The first time I ever ate sushi? When I was 16. Once a year treat from a relative. I discovered how awesome salmon tasted then.

The lifestyles my "salaried" parents led back then were pretty damn stark. Very little on luxuries, a lot on savings, investments, education for kids and a full pantry.

My parents would probably survive in almost any era and in most forms of hardship. Someone like me... like I said before, would 24th floor if I was transported back in time to my father's generation.

But hell yeah, OK boomer! rclxm9.gif
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Then I would say your parents would have probably 24th floor if they were transported to our current times, and living on a day-to-day basis with how many siblings you had and how little money they made..

Back then, you could technically get by with very little. Today, No chance man.. if you fall into poverty, the likelihood that you get to enjoy travelling overseas and stuff is super unlikely..

If your father worked his job today, he would be in struggle town..

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 11:44 AM)
yeah, but they are complaining to deaf ears since I don't buy things unless i need it. heck, my phone is still a S7 edge.. I bought almost 4 years ago now. Still working like brand new. Just battery doesn't last as long as I would hope it did. But that is expected with old phones.
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well, maybe if is was your parents, they would buy a Honor 5X then and keep complaining on the slowness and how hard to use it due to lag.. tongue.gif

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This is jz america lah

IMO in msia... pretty much most millenial is doing better than baby boomer
This is due to our developing country status... most of the baby boomers have limited high tech job during the time compared to now.
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jan 30 2020, 11:50 AM)
This is jz america lah

IMO in msia... pretty much most millenial is doing better than baby boomer
This is due to our developing country status... most of the baby boomers have limited high tech job during the time compared to now.
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Bravo........ finally someone who's not confused by western shit about boomer. I'm living a better life than my parents back then.
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Jan 30 2020, 11:50 AM)
This is jz america lah

IMO in msia... pretty much most millenial is doing better than baby boomer
This is due to our developing country status... most of the baby boomers have limited high tech job during the time compared to now.
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not true.. boomer father, and his boomer siblings can afford multiple properties in PJ/Klang Valley area..

I think at my age, early 30s, they each own 2 properties in KV liao.. Myself and siblings, can only own 1 ..

And I would say my job & siblings jobs are significantly better paying jobs than what my parents used to have at same age (office secretary & plant manager).. meanwhile my siblings are one IB, a doctor, a PE, & 5-star hotelier manager.

So that tells me that despite earning more than our boomer parents, our lives is still tougher due to inflation and higher property costs. We can barely keep up, although our lives are relatively good, but not as good as boomer parents who had average 9-5 office job, less working hours, less stress, less jam, more personal time, more work life balance & etc..

I can only imagine what life must be for those of my generation earning average to below average income..

they must be in struggle town..

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i know, it just bites me abit to do something like that

like the corona virus thing, i keep telling folks face mask doesnt do shit, you need the legit ones. Surgical masks is to protect someone else from you.

no one listens
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Which is legit one?
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Then I would say your parents would have probably 24th floor if they were transported to our current times, and living on a day-to-day basis with how many siblings you had and how little money they made..

Back then, you could technically get by with very little. Today, No chance man.. if you fall into poverty, the likelihood that you get to enjoy travelling overseas and stuff is super unlikely..

If your father worked his job today, he would be in struggle town..
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Already said... my father's time, chicken meat is only for CNY, eggs is once a month or so, and milk is non-existent.

During their time, they also had to work hard. Raise children and sustain an elder on their own.

If my parents were transported to today's era with its modern conveniences, I fear they would become like me!

I mean, in any era, you have your char siews and strawberries, and you have your survivors and successful folks.

In every era, you also have your regular, almost daily complainers, and you have folks who do something about it, while appreciating the past and working towards the future.

Hell, yours and my grandfather's generation was WWII. Don't think you and I would survive long nod.gif

I mean, you do whatever you want to do in life lar. I am not going to convince you of whether you are living in good, prosperous, peaceful times, or in hard, poverty-stricken, miserable conditions times. You view it whatever way you want to, OK smile.gif
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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Jan 30 2020, 09:08 AM)
Boomers are hoarding those wealth.. share la
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I believe this problem is more prevalent in gwailo. Their parents yolo and tend to spend all wealth before they die.

Asians are different. They save save save for the next generation so to a certain extent the millennials are still shielded
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You yearned for the period like the bomber era in the 50's-60's?
Don't worry folk.
Coronavirus is the answer....with a hard RESET....but I unsure whether you gonna survived the hardship that comes with it.

Do you millennial have what it takes to survived the hardship?

Fyi, Malaysia population will be reduced to that booming era.

Properties price will crashed HARD!!!


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Already said... my father's time, chicken meat is only for CNY, eggs is once a month or so, and milk is non-existent.

During their time, they also had to work hard. Raise children and sustain an elder on their own.

If my parents were transported to today's era with its modern conveniences, I fear they would become like me!

I mean, in any era, you have your char siews and strawberries, and you have your survivors and successful folks.

In every era, you also have your regular, almost daily complainers, and you have folks who do something about it, while appreciating the past and working towards the future.

Hell, yours and my grandfather's generation was WWII. Don't think you and I would survive long  nod.gif

I mean, you do whatever you want to do in life lar. I am not going to convince you of whether you are living in good, prosperous, peaceful times, or in hard, poverty-stricken, miserable conditions times. You view it whatever way you want to, OK smile.gif
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no.. what I mean was let's say your father job and pay is still same as today..

imagine what will you be eating for CNY then? probably just rocks..

Hence, why I said they would probably 14th floor because life is too tough for them..

If it was tough back then with a crap job, if you took up the same crap job, it would be even more tough today..

Fact is, you can't do a crap job today and survive.. previously, yeah, you can..
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Baby Boomers seldom overseas holiday... not their lifestyle... no youtube so no push factor to see the world. Extra money put in house. Credit card? Got money only spend.

Millennieals, rise of internet, see youtube, see holiday, go holiday. Easy credit approvals. Their access to information is vast and very tempting to keep up with the tech. Paying monthly subscription for almost anything is very common. The mode of socializing also increased and wider than before... owning gadgets becomes their lifestyle, gaining experience. Money can flow out in various ways.

End of the day, seduction for latest tech, gadgets, holiday, experience is the money vacuum cleaner. Now imagine if Smartphone only discovered last week and we are all using green screen terminals at work. No such thing as monthly phone subscription to suck from your salary. No Astro no internet, no aircon.... the only thing that requires monthly payment is water and electric bill. (Baby Boomers grew up without all these extras we have today)

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 12:08 PM)
no.. what I mean was let's say your father job and pay is still same as today..

imagine what will you be eating for CNY then? probably just rocks..

Hence, why I said they would probably 14th floor because life is too tough for them..

If it was tough back then with a crap job, if you took up the same crap job, it would be even more tough today..

Fact is, you can't do a crap job today and survive.. previously, yeah, you can..
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if you still get the same pay 20-30 years later, you will also just eat rocks for CNY. heck, your job now, probably called crap by the Gen Z or later.
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Which is legit one?
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Normally N or R, also they are single use and at most like 3 times use. They are also wildly uncomfortable more expensive and erm ya

Even haze you normally use N

the ones people buy is Surgical Mask, its to prevent other people from you, not you from the virus. Its designed to stop big droplets of bodily fluid, similar to a tissue. It doesnt stop aerosol or small droplets, so unless you think someone is going to cough/sneeze right into your face then it works

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/28/coro...ey-do-any-good/




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if you still get the same pay 20-30 years later, you will also just eat rocks for CNY. heck, your job now, probably called crap by the Gen Z or later.
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So then you admit that the world is getting harder and harder..

More technical, require more dedication and more effort..

Honestly, if I can just do a half-day job, selling kopi O & bread and with that, be able to afford a comfortable life, why not?.. That was our grand-parents time..




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actually theres some truth to it,

one of the core reasons why people find it hard to move up or get good income is cause retirement age is increasing

so if you think about it the cost of goods and services  are going up, but the relative income level of an individual doesnt go up unless the older generation retires.
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Retirement increasing cause birthrate decreasing.

Especially in Europe if everyone retires at 55, the social welfare system will collapse immediately.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 12:19 PM)
So then you admit that the world is getting harder and harder..

More technical, require more dedication and more effort..

Honestly, if I can just do a half-day job, selling kopi O & bread and with that, be able to afford a comfortable life, why not?.. That was our grand-parents time..
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In short, back then stuffs are not/less expected to be controllable or engineerable. They do and react according to what’s arranged by god/sky.

Today, mankinds are digging hard on ways to bypass the limitations, hence all the extra works and complexity.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 12:08 PM)
no.. what I mean was let's say your father job and pay is still same as today..

imagine what will you be eating for CNY then? probably just rocks..

Hence, why I said they would probably 14th floor because life is too tough for them..

If it was tough back then with a crap job, if you took up the same crap job, it would be even more tough today..

Fact is, you can't do a crap job today and survive.. previously, yeah, you can..
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Well, that is why my parents led pretty stark lives. To ensure that their children do not "lead" the lives they led back then.

And so far, they have succeeded on that account.

The goal of most families is to progress, in one way or another. Families which stay stagnant or fail to adapt in fast changing times are those who want time to go backwards.

How about families who failed to adapt during our parents' generation? Those who depended on bullock carts for transportation, on hand-tools for farming, who believed that only a Standard 6 education was sufficient to "make it in the world"?

They would want time to regress even further!

But anyway, I digress....

As a closer to my participation in this thread, I want to point out something about your example:

You claim that we cannot do a crap job today and survive.

In a way, your statement is true. But in another way, your statement is not true.

Try telling your statement to the hundreds of millions, if not billions of poverty stricken men, women and children in places like Africa, South America, South Asia, and even many parts of South East Asia. Folks with no jobs or jobs so crap that they would find OUR crap jobs a goldmine.

There is a reason why hundreds of thousands of people risk life and limb to become fruit pickers and toilet cleaners in developed countries. Because the alternative sucks donkey balls even more.

There are people who want to do Malaysia's crap jobs. There are Malaysians who want to do Singapore's crap jobs. Heck, I posit that everything in this world is just a different level of crap... in our professional lives, we take so much crap from everyone. Businessmen take crap from their clients. Politicians take crap from their constituencies. Billionaires take crap from haters and people with nasty agendas. Royalty are stuck in inheritance and face-maintaining crap. Its just a matter of which crap you'd rather be stuck in, and whether you turn the crap into fertilizer.... earthen gold, in the course of your life.

For all the ribbing I do of Malaysia, I readily acknowledge that Malaysia is far ahead of many other countries in the world. Heck, probably ahead of another 100 other countries in the world.

To a very large extent, I am very thankful not to be born in those countries. I am thankful to be born in Malaysia, and under circumstances where I am forced to survive and compete for my place in the world.

Because life could have been a lot crap, and in many more ways. And I am not sure I am mentally strong enough to withstand THAT type of crap.

OK, on that note, have spent too much time internet-warrioring on these forums, going to retreat for a bit biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Retirement increasing cause birthrate decreasing.

Especially in Europe if everyone retires at 55, the social welfare system will collapse immediately.
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thats true, but the unfortunate side effect is

the kids won't get the jobs, so in europe, if you want to be an executive after uni? its quite rare

the diff between there and here i notice is, they play non-executive jobs waaaay better than here
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QUOTE(spilocke @ Jan 30 2020, 12:09 PM)
Baby Boomers seldom overseas holiday... not their lifestyle... no youtube so no push factor to see the world. Extra money put in house. Credit card? Got money only spend.

Millennieals, rise of internet, see youtube, see holiday, go holiday. Easy credit approvals. Their access to information is vast and very tempting to keep up with the tech. Paying monthly subscription for almost anything is very common. The mode of socializing also increased and wider than before... owning gadgets becomes their lifestyle, gaining experience. Money can flow out in various ways.

End of the day, seduction for latest tech, gadgets, holiday, experience is the money vacuum cleaner. Now imagine if Smartphone only discovered last week and we are all using green screen terminals at work. No such thing as monthly phone subscription to suck from your salary. No Astro no internet, no aircon.... the only thing that requires monthly payment is water and electric bill. (Baby Boomers grew up without all these extras we have today)
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Ok boomer.

How dare you lecture the millenials and keep them from their well deserved luxury.


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thats true, but the unfortunate side effect is

the kids won't get the jobs, so in europe, if you want to be an executive after uni? its quite rare

the diff between there and here i notice is, they play non-executive jobs waaaay better than here
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The kids will get jobs cause birth rate is lower then mortality rate. They cannot afford to let ppl retire, the immediate affect might be the milleanials suddenly can get their managerial position and 20k but the spillover is the collapse of the welfare state.

"During 2018, more deaths than births were recorded in the EU (5.3 million deaths and 5.0 million births), meaning that the natural change of the EU population was negative for a second consecutive year."
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 12:19 PM)
So then you admit that the world is getting harder and harder..

More technical, require more dedication and more effort..

Honestly, if I can just do a half-day job, selling kopi O & bread and with that, be able to afford a comfortable life, why not?.. That was our grand-parents time..
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back then it is "harder" to earn RM 2. but RM 2 you can eat one meal or maybe 2 if not heavy eater. now is it "easier" to earn RM 2, but now you can only buy drinks.

so, if u ask me. things has changed for sure. but all in all it is still quite balance to support cost living for normal/average people.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 30 2020, 12:24 PM)
Well, that is why my parents led pretty stark lives. To ensure that their children do not "lead" the lives they led back then.

And so far, they have succeeded on that account.

The goal of most families is to progress, in one way or another. Families which stay stagnant or fail to adapt in fast changing times are those who want time to go backwards.

How about families who failed to adapt during our parents' generation? Those who depended on bullock carts for transportation, on hand-tools for farming, who believed that only a Standard 6 education was sufficient to "make it in the world"?

They would want time to regress even further!

But anyway, I digress....

As a closer to my participation in this thread, I want to point out something about your example:

You claim that we cannot do a crap job today and survive.

In a way, your statement is true. But in another way, your statement is not true.

Try telling your statement to the hundreds of millions, if not billions of poverty stricken men, women and children in places like Africa, South America, South Asia, and even many parts of South East Asia. Folks with no jobs or jobs so crap that they would find OUR crap jobs a goldmine.

There is a reason why hundreds of thousands of people risk life and limb to become fruit pickers and toilet cleaners in developed countries. Because the alternative sucks donkey balls even more.

There are people who want to do Malaysia's crap jobs. There are Malaysians who want to do Singapore's crap jobs. Heck, I posit that everything in this world is just a different level of crap... in our professional lives, we take so much crap from everyone. Businessmen take crap from their clients. Politicians take crap from their constituencies. Billionaires take crap from haters and people with nasty agendas. Royalty are stuck in inheritance and face-maintaining crap. Its just a matter of which crap you'd rather be stuck in, and whether you turn the crap into fertilizer.... earthen gold, in the course of your life.

For all the ribbing I do of Malaysia, I readily acknowledge that Malaysia is far ahead of many other countries in the world. Heck, probably ahead of another 100 other countries in the world.

To a very large extent, I am very thankful not to be born in those countries. I am thankful to be born in Malaysia, and under circumstances where I am forced to survive and compete for my place in the world.

Because life could have been a lot crap, and in many more ways. And I am not sure I am mentally strong enough to withstand THAT type of crap.

OK, on that note, have spent too much time internet-warrioring on these forums, going to retreat for a bit biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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ok boomer.

Millenials deserve to get that Manager job with a fresh degree and hit 20k within 2 years. Otherwise how can they afford to follow up with their FB friends who go on vacation daily?

Just imagine you have 400 friends on FB, if each of them go on vacation ONCE a year, you will have a daily post of someone on vacation in exotic location.... suddenly ALL your friends are ALWAYS on vacation..
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QUOTE(spilocke @ Jan 30 2020, 12:09 PM)
Baby Boomers seldom overseas holiday... not their lifestyle... no youtube so no push factor to see the world. Extra money put in house. Credit card? Got money only spend.

Millennieals, rise of internet, see youtube, see holiday, go holiday. Easy credit approvals. Their access to information is vast and very tempting to keep up with the tech. Paying monthly subscription for almost anything is very common. The mode of socializing also increased and wider than before... owning gadgets becomes their lifestyle, gaining experience. Money can flow out in various ways.

End of the day, seduction for latest tech, gadgets, holiday, experience is the money vacuum cleaner. Now imagine if Smartphone only discovered last week and we are all using green screen terminals at work. No such thing as monthly phone subscription to suck from your salary. No Astro no internet, no aircon.... the only thing that requires monthly payment is water and electric bill. (Baby Boomers grew up without all these extras we have today)
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The world is changing, and rules of the game are changing. Parents did not tech you the rules of today but the rules of their day which in some cases is 40 years outdated. So whoever remains in a coconut shell will become kecian lo..

Ayam had no understanding of how this world works from 19-23 despite ayam dad a banker =.=. At 24 ayam figured out something was very wrong since simple maths deduced ayam will never be able to have a good income, earn salary or even pay for a good car. The only thing ayam learn from parents is savings. Then with some work from 24-26 ayam learn to budget, gain info, invest, and build new income streams - nao ayam at 3x can buy merc cash and finance a home, but refuse to do so unless its a good value buy. Ayam still renting to maintain strong cashflow and little responsibilities.

Ayam parents buy car every 4 years last time - so age to age > ayam still on my first car - my parents on third already. Imagine all that money dumped down.
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The kids will get jobs cause birth rate is lower then mortality rate. They cannot afford to let ppl retire, the immediate affect might be the milleanials suddenly can get their managerial position and 20k but the spillover is the collapse of the welfare state.

"During 2018, more deaths than births were recorded in the EU (5.3 million deaths and 5.0 million births), meaning that the natural change of the EU population was negative for a second consecutive year."
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youth unemployment is an issue everywhere which indicates that the jobs are not moving to kids, part of why the youth is having no money is the lack of stable jobs to build a future on.

the problem why this appears is simple really, its something that people say here often but dont realise that it creates another set of problems - automation and JIT Manufacturing.

So what companies do is once the old leaves or gets VSS, they restructure their company with more automation, removing more jobs along the way. Hence the supply of jobs reduce as less people need to do the same thing.

theres a move a few years back that caused wide spread banking VSS, its to remove the clerical side of things to eletronic/digital, so a whole department of paper pushers, now gets replaced by just a team of tech geeks.

even my supplier does this these days, instead of a storehouse they built to go, which means you dont need to hire store keepers, inventory managers, and vice versa

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The world is changing, and rules of the game are changing. Parents did not tech you the rules of today but the rules of their day which in some cases is 40 years outdated. So whoever remains in a coconut shell will become kecian lo..

Ayam had no understanding of how this world works from 19-23 despite ayam dad a banker =.=. At 24 ayam figured out something was very wrong since simple maths deduced ayam will never be able to have a good income, earn salary or even pay for a good car. The only thing ayam learn from parents is savings. Then with some work from 24-26 ayam learn to budget, gain info, invest, and build new income streams - nao ayam at 3x can buy merc cash and finance a home, but refuse to do so unless its a good value buy. Ayam still renting to maintain strong cashflow and little responsibilities.

Ayam parents buy car every 4 years last time - so age to age > ayam still on my first car - my parents on third already. Imagine all that money dumped down.
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Btw, most boomer already retired or dead and passed-on their inheritance to the next generation.

Eg: Bill Gates & Steve Jobs

Only 1/3 still working.

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youth unemployment is an issue everywhere which indicates that the jobs are not moving to kids, part of why the youth is having no money is the lack of stable jobs to build a future on.

the problem why this appears is simple really, its something that people say here often but dont realise that it creates another set of problems - automation and JIT Manufacturing.

So what companies do is once the old leaves or gets VSS, they restructure their company with more automation, removing more jobs along the way. Hence the supply of jobs reduce as less people need to do the same thing.

theres a move a few years back that caused wide spread banking VSS, its to remove the clerical side of things to eletronic/digital, so a whole department of paper pushers, now gets replaced by just a team of tech geeks.

even my supplier does this these days, instead of a storehouse they built to go, which means you dont need to hire store keepers, inventory managers, and vice versa
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The problem also compounded by kids these days expecting a cushy desk job that they see their father had. During the boomer years, you do whatever you have to do to put food on the table. I have worked front line jobs, door to door selling, out in the sun, in the construction site etc... but my kid see me today behind a desk with a nice plushy chair.
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Because life could have been a lot crap, and in many more ways. And I am not sure I am mentally strong enough to withstand THAT type of crap.
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Which is my point too.. if your parents were doing the same crap today, they wouldn't be able to withstand it..

Those people born in crap, are looking to get out of that crap. For them, it is either get out of crap or die. They have no choice.

But let's say reverse 100 years ago.. What would working in crap look like? Probably nothing unusual.. just another day of life, but you'd live ok.. Maybe because everyone else was in crap 100 years ago..

The boomer parents time was far easier.. period. If you wanted to live in crap, you could get along. Unlike today.. that is a death sentence.

And if your boomer parents aspired for more and worked hard for it, they would be rich by now. Not so easy for us kids today to do the same. Aspirations and working hard isn't just enough.. that other kid is also doing the same, so you got to beat your competition everyday for the rest of your life just to get to the same spot as your parents did.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 30 2020, 12:42 PM)
The problem also compounded by kids these days expecting a cushy desk job that they see their father had. During the boomer years, you do whatever you have to do to put food on the table. I have worked front line jobs, door to door selling, out in the sun, in the construction site etc... but my kid see me today behind a desk with a nice plushy chair.
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to be fair to the kids, the job market has changed significantly that the old methods of "git gud" doesnt really work.

its kinda wrong to think that the market of generations past, is equal to the market of generations now or the future.


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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 30 2020, 12:42 PM)
The problem also compounded by kids these days expecting a cushy desk job that they see their father had. During the boomer years, you do whatever you have to do to put food on the table. I have worked front line jobs, door to door selling, out in the sun, in the construction site etc... but my kid see me today behind a desk with a nice plushy chair.
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Cushy job isn't enough anymore.. Job wages have stagnated since early 00.. meanwhile, inflation keeps rising at least 3-4% year on year..

Now you need to be in highly specialised roles, subject matter experts, executive position, successful business club, & exclusive club in order to succeed in todays age..

being average is no longer good enough. You must excel and be excellent at what you do. This is the new competition facing my generation & the next generations..

Boomers had it way easier..

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to be fair to the kids, the job market has changed significantly that the old methods of "git gud" doesnt really work.

its kinda wrong to think that the market of generations past, is equal to the market of generations now or the future.
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Thats the problem.

I was raised with the idea that the world isnt fair, no one owe me a living, if I want somehting, i have to fight and struggle for it.

The current generation, demand for equality, fairness, "to be fair to the kids".

Resources is finite, to have more, someone else have to have less..
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Jan 30 2020, 12:53 PM)
Cushy job isn't enough anymore.. Job wages have stagnated since early 00.. meanwhile, inflation keeps rising at least 3-4% year on year..

Now you need to be in highly specialised roles, subject matter experts, executive position, successful business club, & exclusive club in order to succeed in todays age..

being average is no longer good enough. You must excel and be excellent at what you do. This is the new competition facing my generation & the next generations..

Boomers had it way easier..
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Ofcourse, used to be you get a degree and its a big thing, doors open.

Today a degree is like SPM, every TomDickHarry has it. So you need an edge. Pretty sure ivy league graduates are still making way above the degree mill graduates. I still have friends kids who manage to get into Management Program with large banks, thats like a fasttrack to $$$... 6 months in each region, golf membership, 5 digit salary etc and thats only 2 year into their job.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 30 2020, 09:10 AM)
Millennials logic. Don't do work but want a share of the wealth. Tongkatus maximus syndrome.
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QUOTE(GOPI56 @ Jan 30 2020, 09:22 AM)
The yolo lifestyle of strawberry generation.
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Lol. You expect people to be offended by that remark? Try harder.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 30 2020, 12:31 PM)
ok boomer.

Millenials deserve to get that Manager job with a fresh degree and hit 20k within 2 years. Otherwise how can they afford to follow up with their FB friends who go on vacation daily?

Just imagine you have 400 friends on FB, if each of them go on vacation ONCE a year, you will have a daily post of someone on vacation in exotic location.... suddenly ALL your friends are ALWAYS on vacation..
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Yeah man. That social media thing is a PITA!

Almost every month, I am bombarded by someone who go to some exotic location, who bought new car, went to new expensive restaurant, buy some brand new handbag, or shit like that.

It makes me look at my 18 year old kereta perang, and at my once a year holiday, and at the home-cooked food I eat almost 7 days a week, and at my cheap backpack, and I then shed tears.... sad.gif

Just 3 months ago, someone on my feed bought a new Cayenne and was flashing the keys on social media. I felt so small and inadequate after seeing that post.... cry.gif
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With property prices inflated like crazy but salary remaining stagnant for the past 10 years or so, it's no wonder fresh grads are struggling. Ain't rocket science. Penang property went up 30-40% on average, some even 2x-3x over past 10 years.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 30 2020, 12:53 PM)
Thats the problem.

I was raised with the idea that the world isnt fair, no one owe me a living, if I want somehting, i have to fight and struggle for it.

The current generation, demand for equality, fairness, "to be fair to the kids".

Resources is finite, to have more, someone else have to have less..
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thats your personal mentality, im talking about market changes and values

its factually proven that mentality doesnt move people out of a certain social class, nor does hard work most of the time. so while i can agree that one needs to hustle, i do understand that the results form this hustle differ.

also each generation argues that "they are tougher" but the economic realities of that generation differ from the ones before and the ones after.
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Boomer rich because there are less competition after many died in WW2.

So millennials, to be rich your have to destroy your competition.

Let’s start WW3 baby.
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The one thing millennial can really do is to learn about finance and economy. Prepare for the looming recession and take advantage of it

Rather than just going YOLO with their money

So much global uncertainty lately. Feds printing more money, countries already showing minimal GDP growth, interest rate cut and now got the wushu virus

Only thing going up is gold

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Keperluan dahulu, then kehendak. Ekonomi asas 101.

Tapi strawberries langgar saja. Kesian betul 😅.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 30 2020, 12:59 PM)
Ofcourse, used to be you get a degree and its a big thing, doors open.

Today a degree is like SPM, every TomDickHarry has it. So you need an edge. Pretty sure ivy league graduates are still making way above the degree mill graduates. I still have friends kids who manage to get into Management Program with large banks, thats like a fasttrack to $$$... 6 months in each region, golf membership, 5 digit salary etc and thats only 2 year into their job.
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yup, the only problem I have is todays education has not upgrade along with the society requirement.

Back in the days you get decent job with just 12yrs of education(out to work by 18yrs old), now you need extra 4-5 years to get the same thing. I still remember I was wasting my time in school because they are teaching me rubbish that are useless in scoiety and teacher are missing 30% of the time. And I am not rich enough for private education, not smart enough be special genius kid.

I kinda wish the our gov revise education make SPM done by Age 13, Degree completed by age 18. Go back to where we were, 12years of education for most forks.

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Boomer rich because there are less competition after many died in WW2.

So millennials, to be rich your have to destroy your competition.

Let’s start WW3 baby.
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Got one of my ex matriks gay friend melenting when i commented bole pg makan angin oversea tp xda duit nak balik mengundi or emergency saving at least rm5k

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get crap degree
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victim mentality
boomers' fault for raising strawberry generation

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If baby boomers are the richest generation, then your parents should be leaving your big inheritance lor, why complain? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(klein @ Jan 30 2020, 10:02 PM)
get crap degree
succumb to peer and societal pressures about what a good life should be (one should have an internal compass about what's best for one self at different stages of life)
victim mentality
boomers' fault for raising strawberry generation
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QUOTE(pundi @ Jan 30 2020, 10:31 AM)
study loan is the main cause...even got documentary in utube aready highlight this
2nd is spend habit aka buy WANT item
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Before the 1980s, local students were charged by local public universities about nominal RM1k tuition fee per year and many non-bumiputeras who were quota'ed out from qualifying for local public uni's seeked free uni-studies in a few generous foreign Western countries. In the 1980s, foreign Western countries began imposing high uni/college tuition fees on non-local students, including non-bumi Malaysians, in order to save on government expenditure. This prompted local private uni's to be set up, eg Kolej Damansara Utama, Sunway College, etc, in order to profit from demand for uni-studies by non-bumis.

In the 1990s, the local BN government began increasing public uni tuition fees, in order to save on government expenditure. At the same time, the government extended PTPN student loans to local public uni students who could not pay. Today, it costs about RM2,000 per year to study in local public uni's.
....... A few years later, PTPN loans were also extended to local private uni students, especially to many non-bumis. With such easy and cheap PTPN student loans available, private uni's took the opportunity to increase tuition fees to as high as possible, ie without decreasing substantial demand or recruitment, eg today it costs about RM38k per year to study in a local private uni like Monash U. Hence, today many non-bumi graduates of private uni's have to start off their working life with very high student debts.

Some bumis of local public uni's purposely took out unnecessary PTPN loans for profligate/show-off spending, ie even though their parents have already paid their tuition fees.

So happen also, in the early 1990s, the BN government heeded the advice of the WTO, World Bank and IMF to liberalize the banking sector by giving out easy and cheap loans to nearly everyone, eg from maximum 80% and 15-year house loans to maximum 100% and 30-year, from maximum 70% and 3-year car loans to maximum 90% and 7-year; from minimum monthly salary of RM4k to qualify for credit cards to minimum monthly salary of only RM2k, etc.
....... This banking liberalization policy allowed some people to buy many houses for investment/speculation purposes, allowed many people to buy new furniture, TVs, fridges, media players, etc on credit(eg at Courts Mammoth) and allowed even ordinary KFC and McD workers to buy cars and apartments = demand for such stuffs sky-rocketed = prices of such stuffs also sky-rocketed. Eg a DST house in PJ that cost RM150k in 1990 shot up to RM500k in 1994 and buyers had to wait at least 6 months to take delivery of their new Proton Iswara. The governments of the world could gloat about high economic growth and GDP, and rich boomers could take advantage to make huge profits to get richer at the expense of suffering millenials.

The rich industrial G7 countries have recently moved towards negative interest rate banking policy(= house loans at 3% to 4% mortgage rate) for the same evil reason as above.
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