Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 can property really a choice of investment?, think about it/

views
     
dreamer101
post Jul 19 2007, 05:42 AM

10k Club
Group Icon
Elite
15,855 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(wcwroger @ Jul 19 2007, 12:23 AM)
My story:

I've read dozens of property investment books for years. 4 years ago, the idea of venturing into property investment sparks me after I've attended a property investment seminar by our very local property investor, Renesial Leong (u may read her success at www.upia33.com). I do invest in stocks too, quite heavily at one time smile.gif Anyway, my story continues below...

Year 2005 (Salary: RM2500)
I jumped start by buying my first property, a condo, without any downpayment for RM150k. I signed a 15 years contract with the developer, with the criteria having the rental paid to me RM900 monthly for 15 years. Then, I secured my financing with a local bank. Managed to work out installment of only RM850 for 30 years. Positive cashflow of RM50 per month. Dun forget, my salary is still untouch smile.gif

2nd and 3rd property are rather unique.

Year 2006 (Salary: RM2800)
I bought my 2nd property together with my brother who has the same earning power as mine. Together we bought a RM250k worth of property. Secured a local bank loan and work out the installment to be only RM750/month/person. Ok wat.....

Year 2007 (Salary: RM3000)
Recently, I've just bought into RM380k worth of property together with my wife who has the same earning power as mine. It's for own stay. Secured my company's loan (interest rate a slightly lower than local bank) and work out the installment of only RM1000++/month/person. Ok wat...

Year 2008 (Salary: hope it rises)
Rent out some of the rooms from the 2nd and 3rd property to help service the installments. Hence, boost my monthly income enabling me to secure another bank loan for my 4th property as an investment...

Year 2009 (Salary: rise rise rise)
Buy my 5th property, by manipulating my 1st, 2nd or even the 4th property. How? Read 'em up... it's all in the books. Attend seminars! Learn from the successful people.

Hope I did shed some lights to some of you out there.

Nothing is impossible smile.gif

Cheers
Roger
wcwroger@yahoo.com
*
All,

This sounds like a train that about to fall off of a cliff. And, for people that CANNOT do the calculation and the common sense to figure this one out, they SHOULD NEVER do investment in property.

<<Renesial Leong (u may read her success at www.upia33.com).>>

BTW, I read her book and went through all the calculation. And, one of her basic rule is you only buy property if 10 months worth of rent can pay off everything in the house for a year. You need reserve and safety margin in case that the house cannot rent out for a few months. This person had violated that rule in the very first property by only having positive cash flow of RM50.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jul 19 2007, 06:02 AM
dreamer101
post Jul 19 2007, 10:01 AM

10k Club
Group Icon
Elite
15,855 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(wcwroger @ Jul 19 2007, 06:50 AM)
Dear Dreamer,

FYI, My 1st property is referred. Remember I mentioned that I've signed the 15 years contract with the developer. That actually taken into consideration for the margin of safety that I need, and I don't have to worry about not being able to rent out the unit. The only downside here is the rental will be stagnant at RM900 for 15 years. I don't have to worry about it coz my rental is enuf to cover my installment, and still have RM50/mth cashflow. I've managed to work out the installment fixed at RM850/mth for a period of 30 yrs. After 15 years, I'll raise the rental and could soon repay my loan in 5-10 years or so.

yewkhuay,
My contract waived the maintenance fees for 15 years. MRTA is included in my bank loan. Other fees are covered nicely with the extra of the RM50/mth. So, no big deals.

Dreamer,
I admit that I've actually violated the rule of 10mths but I'm still stick with the rule no. 1, rental must always be greater than installment. There are time you'll have to be flexible in order to achieve things you want.

Like I've mentioned previously, it's all drive down to how you organize your personal finance. Saving is very important in the beginning.

Hmm, now mentioning about it, I've gotta do some part time to have more cash.

Oh ya, did I mention that the 2nd property I've bought are 40% below market and the 3rd property I've just bought is 10% below market in a strategic location? Property hunting is important too. Like yewkhuay said, anything could happen in the future, so worst come to worst, I could still sell my properties slightly below the market value and still gets away with a little profits.

Cheers
Roger


Added on July 19, 2007, 7:41 amAll,

Things could become nasty if you don't know what you're doing. Well, this also happens if you are investing in stocks, units trusts, insurances, land and any other investment vehicles.

Dreamer and yewkhuay are right. Always be prepare of consequences. But let us put it in another way. Take the consequences as a challenges! Trust me, you will see opportunities, success and bright future ahead of you.

Do your homework and have your calculations make sense to you. Lots of investment books out there could assist you in becoming a better stock investor, property investor or even land investor.

Design your personal finance well. Determine your investment risk. Have different investment vehicles. As for me, besides investing in property, I invest in land and stocks too. So far so good smile.gif

Best regards,
Roger
*
<<Hmm, now mentioning about it, I've gotta do some part time to have more cash.>>

Why?? If your calculation is correct and everything is working fine, why do you need MORE CASH?? Isn't it obvious that you are CASH FLOW NEGATIVE?? And, the more property that you buy, the deeper that you are in the hole. You need to put more money into the houses every month.

It only take one of you to lose a job for a few months for this whole house of cards to collapse.

<<the rule no. 1, rental must always be greater than installment. >>

How about the rule that it must be CASH FLOW POSITIVE?? You do not have the safety margin to pay quit rent and so on.

<<Oh ya, did I mention that the 2nd property I've bought are 40% below market and the 3rd property I've just bought is 10% below market in a strategic location? Property hunting is important too. Like yewkhuay said, anything could happen in the future, so worst come to worst, I could still sell my properties slightly below the market value and still gets away with a little profits.>>

When you are CASH FLOW NEGATIVE, you will be FORCED to sell at the WRONG TIME.

You are in a HOLE now. Pray hard every night. I wish you best of lucks.

Dreamer

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0185sec    0.77    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 18th December 2025 - 06:34 AM