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SUSNachiino Etamay
post Jan 15 2020, 02:08 PM

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i love moe and gap moe.

as long as its 2d girls


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post Jan 15 2020, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(wildshot_willy @ Jan 15 2020, 01:33 PM)
Tough being a muslim here in Malaysia.
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post Jan 15 2020, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2020, 02:03 PM)
Real as in extremist moral police?

Or real as in matured and able to think for ownself?
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Real as in following scripture and the way of prophet 100%.
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post Jan 15 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(ticke @ Jan 15 2020, 01:25 PM)
lulz depa ingat org muslim semua bodo ka sampai perlu keluarkan surat macam tu?
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ada ramai muslim yg acah2 muslim hanya pada IC
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post Jan 15 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(viole @ Jan 15 2020, 02:11 PM)
Real as in following scripture and the way of prophet 100%.
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What’s the prophet’s take on infidels?
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post Jan 15 2020, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2020, 02:12 PM)
What’s the prophet’s take on infidels?
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The peace loving non resistance infidels? Nothing. Even prophet become their leaders one time.

They even like the prophet.

But those who oppose and wants to kill him? Different stories mate.
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post Jan 15 2020, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 02:01 PM)
Last I checked smoking also haram. Can summon gennie if smoke is it?
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What ever harmfull to one self also under the purview of religion
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QUOTE(bugijun @ Jan 15 2020, 02:22 PM)
What ever harmfull to one self also under the purview of religion
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Then smoker haram lah. Mana Jakim???
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 02:56 PM)
Then smoker haram lah. Mana Jakim???
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Ofcoz la haram. Fatwa out already just no enforcement, same with this issue laaa, release letter only
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:02 PM

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Ini pun siap ada surat.. Aduhaii
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 02:56 PM)
Then smoker haram lah. Mana Jakim???
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That why need give Jakim more enforcement power hmm.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 AM)
sounds fair .. just a cautionary letter for muslims

there are ppl out there purposely pitting the races against each other ... as individuals we need to know what is right and wrong and reject all those news/ppl who want to pit us against each other for their selfish/political gains.
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but most ppl read FB message already conclude a whole is wrong laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Sone Shin @ Jan 15 2020, 03:06 PM)
That why need give Jakim more enforcement power  hmm.gif
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I rather give enforcement if can ban smokers outright.
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QUOTE(bugijun @ Jan 15 2020, 02:59 PM)
Ofcoz la haram. Fatwa out already just no enforcement, same with this issue laaa, release letter only
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Boggles my mind that smoking is tolerable but boiling rice and milk is absolute harom, need to write letter with guideline some more. See the irony.
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QUOTE(TrialGone @ Jan 15 2020, 03:16 PM)
Boggles my mind that smoking is tolerable but boiling rice and milk is absolute harom, need to write letter with guideline some more. See the irony.
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I dont see any double standard on that issue. Smoking also got fatwa haram. No guideline to smoke to make it less haram.
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Jan 15 2020, 02:12 PM)
What’s the prophet’s take on infidels?
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Letter from the prophet to the Christians of the Saint Catherine's minastery.

This is a letter which was issued by Mohammed, Ibn Abdullah, the Messenger, the Prophet, the Faithful, who is sent to all the people as a trust on the part of God to all His creatures, that they may have no plea against God hereafter. Verily God is Omnipotent, the Wise. This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Jesus the Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown.

This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disbeliever and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection.

I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.

No one is allowed to plunder these Christians, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger.

Jizya should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right. Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor.

No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them 'this is too much', or ask them to pay any tax.

As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year.

They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Muslims have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Quran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion, wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell.

Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents.

They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Muslims must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the follower of Islam not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world.


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post Jan 15 2020, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(doppatroll @ Jan 15 2020, 03:11 PM)
but most ppl read FB message already conclude a whole is wrong  laugh.gif
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this is one time i'm gonna say this.

it is a muslim thing .. why non muslims want to kay poh ? seriously don't get it ... it didnt sound that bad tbh ..just typical recycling of letters

and non muslims keep telling muslims to stay out of their own issues ...but still want to butt in into this issue ...




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post Jan 15 2020, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 15 2020, 01:06 PM)
The MOE is very logical, its basically apply to other religion too, in opposite situation.
Because i dont think hindu will joining muslim sembahnyang, or wear kain pelikat and turban, joining the islamic rituals.

But duh look at the  'over dramatic' comments.  ROTFL

And yet they claimed malay is racist.

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I LIKE THIS. proof that not only Muslims je yang cepat/selalu gelabah, non pun sama.
mALAYSIAN SPIRIT!!!!
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post Jan 15 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 15 2020, 03:24 PM)
Letter from the prophet to the Christians of the Saint Catherine's minastery.

This is a letter which was issued by Mohammed, Ibn Abdullah, the Messenger, the Prophet, the Faithful, who is sent to all the people as a trust on the part of God to all His creatures, that they may have no plea against God hereafter. Verily God is Omnipotent, the Wise. This letter is directed to the embracers of Islam, as a covenant given to the followers of Jesus the Nazarene in the East and West, the far and near, the Arabs and foreigners, the known and the unknown.

This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disbeliever and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection.

I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.

No one is allowed to plunder these Christians, or destroy or spoil any of their churches, or houses of worship, or take any of the things contained within these houses and bring it to the houses of Islam. And he who takes away anything therefrom, will be one who has corrupted the oath of God, and, in truth, disobeyed His Messenger.

Jizya should not be put upon their judges, monks, and those whose occupation is the worship of God; nor is any other thing to be taken from them, whether it be a fine, a tax or any unjust right. Verily I shall keep their compact, wherever they may be, in the sea or on the land, in the East or West, in the North or South, for they are under My Protection and the testament of My Safety, against all things which they abhor.

No taxes or tithes should be received from those who devote themselves to the worship of God in the mountains, or from those who cultivate the Holy Lands. No one has the right to interfere with their affairs, or bring any action against them. Verily this is for aught else and not for them; rather, in the seasons of crops, they should be given a Kadah for each Ardab of wheat as provision for them, and no one has the right to say to them 'this is too much', or ask them to pay any tax.

As to those who possess properties, the wealthy and merchants, the poll-tax to be taken from them must not exceed twelve drachmas a head per year.

They shall not be imposed upon by anyone to undertake a journey, or to be forced to go to wars or to carry arms; for the Muslims have to fight for them. Do no dispute or argue with them, but deal according to the verse recorded in the Quran, to wit: ‘Do not dispute or argue with the People of the Book but in that which is best’. Thus they will live favored and protected from everything which may offend them by the Callers to religion, wherever they may be and in any place they may dwell.

Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents.

They must not be forced to carry arms or stones; but the Muslims must protect them and defend them against others. It is positively incumbent upon every one of the follower of Islam not to contradict or disobey this oath until the Day of Resurrection and the end of the world.


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Should any Christian woman be married to a Muslim, such marriage must not take place except after her consent, and she must not be prevented from going to her church for prayer. Their churches must be honored and they must not be withheld from building churches or repairing convents.


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https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/s...-renounce-islam

This post has been edited by Sone Shin: Jan 15 2020, 03:49 PM
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post Jan 16 2020, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Jan 15 2020, 12:23 PM)
Jakim rules muslim. itu dia punya pasal but once u advise MOE. u sudah cross border.
u can do it in mosque. stay where u are.

if the indian want to do this ceremony, malay want to join, itu bukan Jakim punya pasal already because that platform doesn't belong to them.
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True story is, MoE ask JAKIM to give advice. LOL. Don't hantam without knowing the facts.

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