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Namelessone1973
post Jan 13 2020, 01:48 PM

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There's a lot of misconception about homosexuality especially among religious people. Homosexuality is not a disease. That is the scientific consensus and endorsed by the World Health Organization (WHO). However, if you go back to the 1970's, homosexuality was still listed as a disease under the list of diseases from WHO. WHO later remove homosexuality as a disease in the 1980's and the decision was finally endorsed in 1990.

Homosexuality is also not a mental-health problem. The American Psychiatric Association (APA), the largest psychiatric organization in the world issued a resolution stating that homosexuality was not a mental illness or sickness in 1973. The declaration helped shift public opinion, marking a major milestone for LGBTQ equality. Before 1970's homosexuality was still treated as mental problem and that is why you see a lot of homosexual sent to mental asylum even in the western countries.

From religious point of view, the story of Sodom & Gomorrah is the main reason why a lot of Abrahamic religion are against homosexuality. According to Christians and Muslims, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their rampant homosexual behavior, namely, sodomy. They believe that God destroyed the two cities because they were practising homosexuality. That is why most conservative Muslim and even Christians takes this story as a justification to condemn gays and homosexuality.

However, there is an important question that deserves consideration for both Christians & Muslims. Did the people of Sodom & Gomorrah receive divine punishment for being homosexual or for attacking Prophet Lot and his heavenly guests/angels? In recent years some Christians & even some modern thinking Muslims have began to question the real reason why Sodom & Gomorrah was destroyed. Some of them believed that those cities were destroyed not because of sodomy but more because of their pride and arrogance.
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post Jan 13 2020, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 13 2020, 01:53 PM)
your first part, I would say everything can change due to political moves

your second (religion) part, I believe being homo itself isn't wrong but when you begin doing the act.. that's entirely different story

but not like I care much anyway lol
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For first part, it was not due to political reasons. It was due to scientific discoveries. Before the 70's people everywhere including west treat homosexuality as some sort of disease or mental health problem. They tried all sorts of ways to cure the problem including electrical shock when gays had sexual urges. At the end, all their effort to cure gay problem failed. This made the scientist realise that homosexuality is something they are born and can't be changed. That was the reason why they do not deem it as a disease or mental health anymore.

As for religious part, why being homo is not wrong but when they began to do it is wrong? Did they hurt anyone by acting on it if it was between 2 consenting adults? If you feel it is religiously wrong, who made you judge and jury to condemn them? Are you God? If you're not God, who are you to enforce laws on behalf of him? If they are wrong in the eye of God, they will be judged during judgement days. Who are you to judge them when you yourself are not sinless? Remember what Jesus/Isa said "“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”



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post Jan 13 2020, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Jan 13 2020, 02:07 PM)
seriously is the video inside is him?
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Look like him and sounds like him but its not him. biggrin.gif

What makes the whole video suspicious is why the video is still so grainy when any cheap handphone today can take better quality videos.

Therefore, look at the video yourself and make their own conclusion.
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post Jan 13 2020, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 13 2020, 02:10 PM)
So they were born with it and can't be changed... like a syndrome?

I can't answer you on the religious part tbh. People have different opinions and I couldn't care less. Personally I don't care what people wanna do.
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That is what modern doctors and scientist believe today. It is something inborn and can't be changed. Some has tried to linked it to genetics but there are no conclusive evidence yet.
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post Jan 13 2020, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Jan 13 2020, 02:16 PM)
how come this case for so long liao still wanna dig here and there?
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Recently AG come out and say no case because experts can't determine whether the video is real or not real. From the point of law there is no point to bring it to court when they don't even have conclusive evidence. However, people are questioning whether the police had made a thorough investigation on this issue or not without political pressure.

At the end of the day, why are police investigating what people do privately? Even though I find Azmin is a lousy minister, whatever his sexual orientation should not be the basis of how we judge his performance. Remember Bill Clinton. Most Americans did not care about his affair with Monica Lewinsky because he was not a bad President.
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post Jan 13 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jan 13 2020, 02:11 PM)
ada akal kan?

actually lgbqt mmg mental problem
i pun ada kes....
and when i investigated him further, was noted that when he was young, his parent put more attention to his sister than him.
so he feel kind of neglected by parent
so he start to have idea, if he become a female, maybe his parent love him more

So its a psychological problem that result from mental trauma

Similarly like stockholm syndrome
2 lady got kidnapped by robber
by common sense, u should hate that robber
but the thing, our mind has defense mechanism
if the lady continue regard themselves as victim, they will suffer
to avoid being victim, the mind create a self defense mechanism to acknowledge they are not victim,  instead they fall in love with the robber
by having that mindset, the victim no longer need to suffer
thats the basis of how our mind is working
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Where you got your degree in psychology? Where you publish your scientific theories? Your opinion is greater than WHO?
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post Jan 13 2020, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(hyperwavedrift @ Jan 13 2020, 03:18 PM)
I have talked about consent with another user. Maybe you should read them. But let's talk about another example shall we? Something sexual that also involves consent. Cuckoldry. Cuckoldry is no joke, it's one of the most prevailing sex life practice that exist. Cuckoldry of course happens with consent from all three parties. But that does make it okay? I have no respect or tolerance to any cucks. They are subhumans and deserve to be shamed and humiliated. I don't care how much they are suffering inside because they don't get to see their wife having sex with another man. They can suffer for all I care. There's nothing in the world you can say to me that'll make me accept that lifestyle, no matter how personal it is.  Projecting someone as insecure because they don't stand homosexuality is a weak argument. I'd say the same to you, why are you so against pedophiles? They didn't ask to be born to be attracted to children. So why are you so against them, are you insecure?
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Nobody say you need to accept their lifestyle. It is their personal choice. It does not affect anyone except themselves. Who are we to judge their lifestyle if their lifestyle does not harm anyone?

Pedophiles is a different story altogether. The act will harm the children. The child cannot stop pedophiles from harming them. It is similar to beastiality or rape. The victim including animals can't stop the perpetrator from harming them. Understand he difference between what is force sexual acts and what is sexual acts between consenting adults. The keyword here is "Force".
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post Jan 13 2020, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(hyperwavedrift @ Jan 13 2020, 04:28 PM)
you didn't read what I posted about age of consent did you? You can easily find footage of animals voluntarily having sex with people without being forced.
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You can read animal minds? How you know the animals voluntarily want to have sex with people without being forced?

What about age of consent got to do with homosexuality? If the homosexuality is between an adult and a kid below age of consent, it is no different from heterosexual rape whether the kid consented or not.
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post Jan 14 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(tsg_7 @ Jan 14 2020, 05:09 PM)
But Bill resign after the case found out by authority.
Azmin ok what during his time as Menteri Selangor. Now mcm quiet edy la.
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Bill Clinton did not resign. He went on to win the second Presidential term.

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