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 Singapore to Criminalize Marital Rape, Is this a good law?

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SUSHoka Nobasho
post Dec 29 2019, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Fanvil1534 @ Dec 29 2019, 11:24 PM)
False rape allegations are serious and can destroy men and women's lives even without any evidence. Not from the courts but the public court of opinion.
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Why would the public court of opinion would be enough to supersede the actual courts?
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post Dec 30 2019, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 30 2019, 08:53 AM)
In most cases bringing a charge of rape is enough to destroy a man. It does not matter if he can defend himself successfully. His career, income, reputation and funds are destroyed in a false rape charge. But even if the accusation is proven to be false the law does not go after the false accuser. The person falsely accused is expected to get remedy by taking civil action but most will be so gutted financially and emotionally that they won't do it. Besides, if the women has nothing you get nothing from a civil action.

To be fair if there is a marital rape law the penalty for false accusation should be as severe as the penalty for a successful rape conviction. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the law will do nothing to mete out justice to a false rape accuser because she is a woman who can wear a short skirt and cry in court.
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No need for betting. Just show us the proof, thank you. The same argument can be thrown at you on how the woman could be destroyed by rape, so let's see how you could be a fair and impartial judge in the light of these events.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 30 2019, 10:32 AM
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post Dec 30 2019, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Fanvil1534 @ Dec 30 2019, 12:37 AM)
With Singapore criminalizing it, it incentives women to make false rape allegation to get what they want. Whether be monetary gain, ego or playing victim mentality.


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What about:

"With Singapore not criminalising it, it incentivises men to rape their wives and then not be charged for it, because it isn't a crime."

How would you address this as well? The "incentivise" argument seemed to work for both ways.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 30 2019, 10:35 AM
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post Dec 30 2019, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 30 2019, 10:49 AM)
If force is used to procure sex women are protected by domestic violence law. Why do they need a rape law which incentivise spiteful women to make false rape accusations?
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So let me get this straight. This existence of this new law will incentivise spiteful women, but before this law ever existed, marital rape has never really existed as all, all well thanks to the domestic violence law?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 30 2019, 10:57 AM
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post Dec 30 2019, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 30 2019, 10:59 AM)
In a normal rape case one can gather proof like DNA on private parts and the presence of the man at the specific place and time where the rape allegedly occurred. There may also be witnesses. Tell me what sort of proof can be accepted in a marital rape case? DNA on her private part when sex with his wife is not a crime? That he happened to be in the same bedroom with her is incriminating? Were there any witnesses when he was having sex with his wife? There is no proof of marital rape except her word against his. When it comes before a court the man is disadvantaged because he can't wear a skirt and he can't elicit sympathy by crying in court. This is why a marital rape law is useless except for women to use as a weapon against a husband she wants to destroy.
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Good point, so whatever happens to the husbands that WANTED to rape without consequences, and LIED about the consent as well? Do you not see this is as equally one-sided as well? Whoever said that only the women could lie?

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post Dec 30 2019, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 30 2019, 11:04 AM)
There is no such thing as rape in marriage. There is consensual sex and forced sex. Sex is a right between married couples. Being able to bring a charge of rape against a spouse means sex is no longer a right, it becomes a privilege.  With this law a married couple is no longer husband and wife, they are house mates.
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Hang in there a minute. Why would you think there is absolutely no such thing as a non-consensual sex in a marriage? Do you really think there's absolutely no such thing as the concept of marital rape? Why should sex ever be a "right" in the first place, especially one that could easily be done without consent, i.e. rape? And why would the title of a husband and wife automatically provide that automatic right?

Do both husbands and wife both lost their psychological autonomy of their bodies all of a sudden after marriage? "Oh well, now I'm married to you, I can't object even if you fucked me even when I don't want it?"

What kind of flawed logic is that? In what MAGICAL way that the marriage provides this sexual "right" that you keep harping about?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 30 2019, 11:14 AM
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post Dec 30 2019, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Dec 30 2019, 11:17 AM)
In a marriage a couple vows to have sex EXCLUSIVELY with each other. What is the meaning of this vow if she can legally deny him sex after marriage? If he has no right to have sex with his wife do you agree that he should have the right to get sex outside? Are you for open marriages?
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Yeah, the word is exclusively, NOT unquestionably. And the question would be how would psychological autonomy of the body disappear after a marriage? In what magical or scientific way that marriage does that?

In addition, why should marriage based on the idea of sex alone? Whatever happened to love, respect, and understanding? Do those things don't come into play as well when you marry someone? Is it really hard to have sex with your wife only when she agrees with it?

And how the does that actually means open marriage? You're all over the place dude, stay in place.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Dec 30 2019, 11:26 AM

 

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