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post Dec 23 2019, 10:21 PM, updated 6y ago

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Pity those new intake of doc and nurses ...rm750 is a a lot of moneh.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:22 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:25 PM

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pencen ?
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(ikankering @ Dec 23 2019, 10:25 PM)
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Also don't get..It's contract and EPF till end of service..
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:26 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:28 PM

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tiba masanya berdikari

lain kali vote bn selamat duniawi
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(emburrar @ Dec 23 2019, 10:28 PM)
tiba masanya berdikari

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:29 PM

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If cut allowance but got growth okla, this one, country still practice racist NEP and cut allowance. GG la Malaysia.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:35 PM

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rm 15k a month.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:36 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:40 PM

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Gila.. ingat gov servant kuli batak..
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:41 PM

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Bodo gov.

If want ro mansuh then mansuh also existing la.

The allowance name kritikal. Now no more kritikal.

So cancel all la.

Not fair la some got and some dont have.

Bodo punya gov

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:43 PM

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LGE bodoh dunno how to make money. Really stupid and dungu
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:43 PM

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This allowance is for?
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:45 PM

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Critical allowance for those who work hard day and night kena potong.

MP who ponteng parliament session and giving stupid excuse such as habis lambat and air con sejuk tak potong2 their allowance.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:45 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:47 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:47 PM

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Oo shit


Ain't nobody gonna work with Gov anymore

Dah la susah nak masuk. Kontrak. Elaun kritikal xde. Kuli batak 24/7. Request transfer pun susah.

Baik join MLM better than this shit
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:41 PM)
Bodo gov.

If want ro mansuh then mansuh also existing la.

The allowance name kritikal. Now no more kritikal.

So cancel all la.

Not fair la some got and some dont have.

Bodo punya gov
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I c wat u did there whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:41 PM)
Bodo gov.

If want ro mansuh then mansuh also existing la.

The allowance name kritikal. Now no more kritikal.

So cancel all la.

Not fair la some got and some dont have.

Bodo punya gov
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If they mansuh all,, esok conlanfirm rumah LGE on fire
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:48 PM

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havent heard this for awhile now: "DONT CARE, JANJI NAJIB TURUNNNN!!"

harharhar........
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Dec 23 2019, 10:47 PM)
Oo shit
Ain't nobody gonna work with Gov anymore

Dah la susah nak masuk. Kontrak. Elaun kritikal xde. Kuli batak 24/7. Request transfer pun susah.

Baik join MLM better than this shit
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That is not the issue

The issue is the fairness.

If wanna give then give to all.

If dont wanna give just dont give to all.

apa lanjio do same job but some got and some no got.

This gov bodo or stupid?
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:41 PM)
Bodo gov.

If want ro mansuh then mansuh also existing la.

The allowance name kritikal. Now no more kritikal.

So cancel all la.

Not fair la some got and some dont have.

Bodo punya gov
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lu lagi bodo

u can't simply cut salary just like that for those who already in service, it's legally wrong and can be sued
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:51 PM

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gomen now no money, these taxes are needed to pull country out of water.
but first the middle class has to suffer

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:51 PM

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Funny thing is, the new lantikan is mostly young people who vote in the hope of getting PTPTN abolished, salary increase and job security...But instead they got this..
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Dec 23 2019, 10:48 PM)
If they mansuh all,, esok conlanfirm rumah LGE on fire
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Then dont mansuh la if u dont have ball.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:52 PM

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dafuq kesian those doc & nurses..
while kerani gomen mengular like no tomorrow
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:52 PM

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So now, lantokan Baru still contract or what? That day got bunch of ppl bising2 , anything solved?
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:52 PM

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 23 2019, 10:51 PM)
Funny thing is, the new lantikan is mostly young people who vote in the hope of getting PTPTN abolished, salary increase and job security...But instead they got this..
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dont think so. i think PH voters understand no pain no gain.
i only take issue with PH trying to please people that are not interested in gain and still want pain relief rclxub.gif

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 10:50 PM)
lu lagi bodo

u can't simply cut salary just like that for those who already in service, it's legally wrong and can be sued
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what legally wrong?

Gov can cancel allowance if they want.

They are law maker. Can amend anytime.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Dec 23 2019, 10:52 PM)
So now, lantokan Baru still contract or what? That day got bunch of ppl bising2 , anything solved?
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still contract but same starting salary scale
but now with this, lower gross salary, back to square one
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Dec 23 2019, 10:52 PM)
dafuq kesian those doc & nurses..
while kerani gomen mengular like no tomorrow
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Oncall macam mau mati liao the doctors everyday

While our MP ponteng parlimen freely because "aircond sejuk"


This PH ministers is worse than pig shit
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:53 PM)
what legally wrong?

Gov can cancel allowance if they want.

They are law maker. Can amend anytime.
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lol, u know how many in these groups already in service? u want them all to strike tomorrow is it and all hosp defunct?
akal kasi pakai skit, u push and shove ppl, they will take drastic measures
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:55 PM

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Imagine you do tje same job but your fren ha e RM750 allowance but you dont have.

Confirm the working environment will become like shit.

Sure got case they will say ehhh you do la. You git allowance ma. I dont got.
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(GHBZDK @ Dec 23 2019, 10:53 PM)
dont think so. i think PH voters understand no pain no gain.
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You're not in their shoes... If me i sure rage..rm750 is quite a lot to lose and it came out of the blue..Bomba just gotten new critical allowance but overworked and understaffed health sector don't deserve it?? what logic?
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:55 PM)
Imagine you do tje same job but your fren ha e RM750 allowance but you dont have.

Confirm the working environment will become like shit.

Sure got case they will say ehhh you do la. You git allowance ma. I dont got.
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what fren? those already in service is ur senior/superior, not friend
who ask u to sign up to the new contract without critical allowance?

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post Dec 23 2019, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 10:55 PM)
lol, u know how many in these groups already in service? u want them all to strike tomorrow is it and all hosp defunct?
akal kasi pakai skit, u push and shove ppl, they will take drastic measures
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Then dont mansuh at all.

Creating unhealthy working environment will even worst.

Imagine some doctors not satisfy with the rules will always say ehh you do la. You have RM750 allowance ma. Must do more work la. We dont have. Huh everything will become upside down.
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Another nail to coffin
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post Dec 23 2019, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 23 2019, 10:56 PM)
You're not in their shoes... If me i sure rage..rm750 is quite a lot to lose and it came out of the blue..Bomba just gotten new critical allowance but overworked and understaffed health sector don't deserve it?? what logic?
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can't really rage coz it's take it or leave it situation
u don't want the post, many desperate ones will still want
the only way is to express in election
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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 10:57 PM)
what fren? those already in service is ur senior/superior, not friend
who ask u to sign up to the new contract without critical allowance?
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bodo. fren or not working environment will become like shit. Working with disatisfactiion.
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:58 PM)
Then dont mansuh at all.

Creating unhealthy working environment will even worst.

Imagine some doctors not satisfy with the rules will always say ehh you do la. You have RM750 allowance ma. Must do more work la. We dont have. Huh everything will become upside down.
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agree on this
but gov has never really give a shit about work environment, esp hospitals
as long as there still be takers to the post offered without critical allowance
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:58 PM)
Then dont mansuh at all.

Creating unhealthy working environment will even worst.

Imagine some doctors not satisfy with the rules will always say ehh you do la. You have RM750 allowance ma. Must do more work la. We dont have. Huh everything will become upside down.
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Sebab itu la orang complain ni, kuda


Just think of the morale of new doctors later on

Kontrak/kena buli in houseman/no critical allowance

GG la them

Brain drain conlanfirm
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Dec 23 2019, 11:02 PM)
Sebab itu la orang complain ni, kuda
Just think of the morale of new doctors later on

Kontrak/kena buli in houseman/no critical allowance

GG la them

Brain drain conlanfirm
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more pity on the new paramedics and nurses, their basic salary not high to start with
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Dec 23 2019, 10:59 PM)
Another nail to coffin
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dunno still got space or not for a new nail.... whistling.gif
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Babi punya kerajaan. Kerja basuh taik orang, angkat pesakit yang macam gajah berat. Layan patients and family members attitude day and night this is what they get? Fark u
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:08 PM

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Good. There's plenty of supply out there.
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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 11:03 PM)
more pity on the new paramedics and nurses, their basic salary not high to start with
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Yeah

Nurses baik go fly kerja dubai je

Lagi masyuk

Dari kerja Gov these days berak patient pun kena tolong basuh topkek
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Dec 23 2019, 11:08 PM)
Yeah

Nurses baik go fly kerja dubai je

Lagi masyuk

Dari kerja Gov these days berak patient pun kena tolong basuh topkek
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:26 PM

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Wow banyak juga. Lepas tu kerja sama dengan batch yg masuk abit early 2-3bulan on 2019. Lol. Kek.
Prepare to see halfhearted nurse and houseman soon.
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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 10:50 PM)
lu lagi bodo

u can't simply cut salary just like that for those who already in service, it's legally wrong and can be sued
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Gaji pokok yang tak boleh suka suka...
Kalau elaun kerajaan ada hak tarik balik
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PH should really be careful. They are pushing the people to their limits. Its not healthy politically.

Normally need to have balance. When u take, must also give. Give also take. But when u non stop take, people will get mad.

Maybe they are trying to save and make money. But its no use if country falls into political instability.
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QUOTE(SGLT2 @ Dec 23 2019, 11:06 PM)
Babi punya kerajaan. Kerja basuh taik orang, angkat pesakit yang macam gajah berat. Layan patients and family members attitude day and night this is what they get? Fark u
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one fella dont want work.can....100 ppl willing to replace him/her

World like this ma..if no malaysia doc one do..sure banggala doc can do .
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hmmm...not sure if the govt just become full retard or just some misinformation somewhere along the line hmm.gif

will wait for news for better clarification....
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post Dec 23 2019, 11:49 PM

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Bukan untuk jr doctor, yg elaun kritikal ni ganti Oncall claim ke? Dulu can claim oncall money. Then they give fix amount elaun kritikal 750. And ho depend on this, Or is it different elaun?

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Dec 23 2019, 11:32 PM)
PH should really be careful. They are pushing the people to their limits. Its not healthy politically.

Normally need to have balance. When u take, must also give. Give also take. But when u non stop take, people will get mad.

Maybe they are trying to save and make money. But its no use if country falls into political instability.
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For those in service should be withdrawn as well but given specific timeline ie in 3 - 5 years baru fair.
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Bad luck health workers.
dah la tak dapat naikkan gaji. Kena potong pula. Hahaha

Cukur local town councilor will get their allowance increase next year. Cukur gaji menteri ddk dlm Aircon naik

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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Dec 23 2019, 11:32 PM)
PH should really be careful. They are pushing the people to their limits. Its not healthy politically.

Normally need to have balance. When u take, must also give. Give also take. But when u non stop take, people will get mad.

Maybe they are trying to save and make money. But its no use if country falls into political instability.
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to be fair yes gov have right to abolish the critical allowance since supply of doctors and nurses are a plenty now.

But what make people angry is the way gov abolish it.

If want to abolish then abolish for all.

We dont want to see with half hearted doctor working in hospital nust becoz he doesnt get allowance but other doctors have allowance. Working place gonna be not harmony anymore and will split into 2 group.
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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 23 2019, 10:21 PM)
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Pity those new intake of doc and nurses ...rm750 is a a lot of moneh.
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 24 2019, 12:14 AM)
Bad luck health workers.
dah la tak dapat naikkan gaji. Kena potong pula. Hahaha

Cukur local town councilor will get their allowance increase next year. Cukur gaji menteri ddk dlm Aircon naik
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i just asked my sister. dia kata takde kena potong.
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before they cut anything, cut the politikus pension dulu baru cakap.

else low level kena high level enjoy apa guna?
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Dec 24 2019, 12:28 AM)
i just asked my sister. dia kata takde kena potong.
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For new intake starting Jan 2020.

Well the current doctor and other health workers better be worry abit la. If the gov can do this. I think they can do other stuff also to the existing workers soon..
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QUOTE(pandah @ Dec 24 2019, 12:34 AM)
before they cut anything, cut the politikus pension dulu baru cakap.

else low level kena high level enjoy apa guna?
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Orang atas mana tengok bawah bro
They don’t care.
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Dec 24 2019, 12:27 AM)
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https://www.jpa.gov.my/pengumuman/1098-peke...n-10-tahun-2019
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 24 2019, 12:38 AM)
Orang atas mana tengok bawah bro
They don’t care.
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tu lah memang chibai punya

sembang kencang ponteng bagi gula2 sikit lepas tu gaji 50k belum lagi chairman sana sini allowance berlambak

5 tahun gaji buta dapat pension sampai tua

babi punya sistem
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 24 2019, 12:40 AM)
terima kasih bro.
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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ Dec 23 2019, 10:57 PM)
what fren? those already in service is ur senior/superior, not friend
who ask u to sign up to the new contract without critical allowance?
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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:58 PM)
Then dont mansuh at all.

Creating unhealthy working environment will even worst.

Imagine some doctors not satisfy with the rules will always say ehh you do la. You have RM750 allowance ma. Must do more work la. We dont have. Huh everything will become upside down.
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i suppork cut all
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Habislah .. lepas ni lagi teruk la layanan diorang kat pesakit miskin/average.. orang atasan semua gi swasta.. jilake
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Habislah .. lepas ni lagi teruk la layanan diorang kat pesakit miskin/average.. orang atasan semua gi swasta.. jilake
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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 24 2019, 12:22 AM)
to be fair yes gov have right to abolish the critical allowance since supply of doctors and nurses are a plenty now.

But what make people angry is the way gov abolish it.

If want to abolish then abolish for all. 

We dont want to see with half hearted  doctor working in hospital nust becoz he doesnt get allowance but other doctors have allowance.  Working place gonna be not harmony anymore and will split into 2 group.
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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 24 2019, 12:22 AM)
to be fair yes gov have right to abolish the critical allowance since supply of doctors and nurses are a plenty now.

But what make people angry is the way gov abolish it.

If want to abolish then abolish for all. 

We dont want to see with half hearted  doctor working in hospital nust becoz he doesnt get allowance but other doctors have allowance.  Working place gonna be not harmony anymore and will split into 2 group.
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No such thing as docs and nurses are plenty. Gov hospitals n clinics had been facing shortage of staff for a long time already.

Whatever it is, PH should really put some brakes on whatever they are doing now.
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Tak suka keluar. Kat luar berlambak yang nak masuk.

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Wow.. Rm750 is a lot considering their starting salary
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ph for rich ppl.

but mid or poor still must vote ph because scare umno pas win fed.

so do 2/3 jobs are welcome now.

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Menteri punya elaun all ok
Raykat punya all kena slash
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I thought PH/LGE was going to improve the country’s finances by eliminating leaks and corruption.

If all they do is cut cut cut, then anyone could do it?
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QUOTE(silent_stalker @ Dec 24 2019, 02:00 AM)
No such thing as docs and nurses are plenty. Gov hospitals n clinics had been facing shortage of staff for a long time already.

Whatever it is, PH should really put some brakes on whatever they are doing now.
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I mean supply of doctors and nurses out there. Do you know that now got many doctors and nurses without job?
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Dec 24 2019, 06:25 AM)
ph for rich ppl.

but mid or poor still must vote ph because scare umno pas win fed.

so do 2/3 jobs are welcome now.
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That allowance is to entice professionals such as doctors and pharmacist to work with govt when private hospital offer better working environment and higher salary.

Working in public health care, (the nurses doctors pharmacies) is really stressful and hard.. That allowance give something for them to cheer on at the end of the month.

meanwhile despite all this the politicians salary and allowance remain intact

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QUOTE(Irzani @ Dec 24 2019, 01:27 AM)
Habislah .. lepas ni lagi teruk la layanan diorang kat pesakit miskin/average.. orang atasan semua gi swasta.. jilake
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Mostly menteri go to Tan Tock Seng hospital to get better health care & services, peasant pay RM1 get monkey services in My public hospital.
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I rather them slash it to rm 500 and bind it together
with attendance. U come to work straight for 2 months without mc or stupid excuses u get rm1k
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QUOTE(JohnBarnesX @ Dec 24 2019, 01:24 AM)
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this nurse so lucky
still get critical allowance
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well thats what you get when unimaginative people just say yes sir to Thanos when he plays the penjawat awam Malaysia ramai card

trained as policymakers konon
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 23 2019, 10:49 PM)
Bukan untuk jr doctor, yg elaun kritikal ni ganti Oncall claim ke? Dulu can claim oncall money. Then they give fix amount elaun kritikal 750. And ho depend on this, Or is it different elaun?
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Oo shit
Ain't nobody gonna work with Gov anymore

Dah la susah nak masuk. Kontrak. Elaun kritikal xde. Kuli batak 24/7. Request transfer pun susah.

Baik join MLM better than this shit
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Cut the ministers & YBs allowances first then proceed with the next tier.

Ada berani ka?
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Actuallyfor contract doctors should be fighting for specialisation opportunities first actually.

They're missing the forest for the trees

Rm750 is ntg compared to no chance of progression

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PH should really be careful. They are pushing the people to their limits. Its not healthy politically.

Normally need to have balance. When u take, must also give. Give also take. But when u non stop take, people will get mad.

Maybe they are trying to save and make money. But its no use if country falls into political instability.
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Lge is the one bodoh here
He took away many monetary advantages from the people
The nelayan lah, the nurses and doctors lah

He also imposes a lot of new taxes that are going to make people feel brain drain.

He thinks he is smart but he is really bodoh as fuck
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Dec 24 2019, 08:21 AM)
Cut the ministers & YBs allowances  first then proceed with the next tier.

Ada berani ka?
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Where get this? Can I have the full document? Or give all pages
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Actuallyfor contract doctors should be fighting for specialisation opportunities first actually.

They're missing the forest for the trees

Rm750 is ntg compared to no chance of progression
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Do you think contract staft can get the benefit? Even permanent staft fighting for the specialisation opportunities

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Gila.. ingat gov servant kuli batak..
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It's all about maldistribution of resources. Plenty doing admin work and dead wood at higher up. Also, reluctant to kick out those problematic ones .. till burden the system. Buta buta got time based promotion .. owaii
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So without critical allowance now drs 3.5k gaji work like dog
Staff nurses 2k gaji work like dog

Good luck to the public seeking public healthcare, sure give u antibiotic ask u go home thumbup.gif

Patut strike macam NHS jerrr
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Pity those new intake of doc and nurses ...rm750 is a a lot of moneh.
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no need to worry, the good nurses will all just jump ship to private sector so public hospitals will slowly turn to sh*t.
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QUOTE(powerlinkers @ Dec 24 2019, 01:09 AM)
menteri2 bodoh Pakatan Harapan yang tidak mempunyai sijil dan sijil palsu, tak tahan sejuk di parlimen, ponteng sesi2 parlimen, goyang kaki menipu tanpa rasa bersalah mampu mendapat pencen berpuluh2 ribu sebulan selepas panaskan kerusi 1 penggal, tetapi gaji doktor2 yang kena bekerja 32-48jam berterusan bukan sahaja mendapat rm200/hari , malah gaji mereka dipotong.
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Critical allowance for those who work hard day and night kena potong.

MP who ponteng parliament session and giving stupid excuse such as habis lambat and air con sejuk tak potong2 their allowance.
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This I sokong, gov healthcare worker kerja penat2, kena potong allowance, MP ponteng, takpe.
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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 23 2019, 10:51 PM)
Funny thing is, the new lantikan is mostly young people who vote in the hope of getting PTPTN abolished, salary increase and job security...But instead they got this..
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Right, queue 15 minutes, cast a vote 2 minutes and and hoping to get PTPTN for free, salary increase, toll free, free money, free petrol....
Sit in house also have money masuk pocket...

Dream la... biggrin.gif
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Funny thing is, the new lantikan is mostly young people who vote in the hope of getting PTPTN abolished, salary increase and job security...But instead they got this..
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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ Dec 24 2019, 08:25 AM)
Lge is the one bodoh here
He took away many monetary advantages from the people
The nelayan lah, the nurses and doctors lah

He also imposes a lot of new taxes that are going to make people feel brain drain.

He thinks he is smart but he is really bodoh as fuck
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Well, it is exactly the same like those people want to hapus GST.
Think think they are smart that hapus GST can help country. But they are bodoh as fuck.
I am talking about the voter who vote PH for the sake of hapus GST. dry.gif
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Dec 24 2019, 09:21 AM)
Well, it is exactly the same like those people want to hapus GST.
Think think they are smart that hapus GST can help country. But they are bodoh as fuck.
I am talking about the voter who vote PH for the sake of hapus GST. dry.gif
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well who campaign to hapus in the first place.. say price will go down la , got abcdgst song la laugh.gif
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no need to worry, the good nurses will all just jump ship to private sector so public hospitals will slowly turn to sh*t.
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It is already shit.

Private hospital nurse salary is already lower than public hospital.
And yet, the private hospital nurse quality is much more higher than public hospital.
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well who campaign to hapus in the first place.. say price will go down la , got abcdgst song la  laugh.gif
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Ya, campaign is one thing.
Those who believe is another thing.

Too many brain dead people in Malaysia.
They just follow those who talk louder or with the topic that can make them stim only.

The 1st rule of democracy should be "Voter need to have brain to vote" dry.gif
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Dec 24 2019, 08:54 AM)
no need to worry, the good nurses will all just jump ship to private sector so public hospitals will slowly turn to sh*t.
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haha private nurse salary way below la. If wanna jump then go la. The private nurses willingly to replace you even without the critical allowance.
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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Dec 24 2019, 08:24 AM)
Actuallyfor contract doctors should be fighting for specialisation opportunities first actually.

They're missing the forest for the trees

Rm750 is ntg compared to no chance of progression
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I would prefer the extra rm750 per month, RM9000 per year. After 2 year housemanship can get extra RM18000.
Can use to take alternate paper route rather than fight for master placement. But well ofcourse the contract stuff one more problem and headache
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QUOTE(SGLT2 @ Dec 24 2019, 08:17 AM)
No la. Oncall claim another thing. Elaun kritikal for all doctors. Houseman got elaun flexi 600
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Ah okay, they cut slowly one by one. Dulu oncall claim for HO, then this kritikal elaun.
Last last nnt after few year, tinggal gaji pokok 2.9k je. 🤣
Dah la jadi mo gaji lagi lower dari HO. Dia potong lagi.🤣
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Dec 24 2019, 09:24 AM)
It is already shit.

Private hospital nurse salary is already lower than public hospital.
And yet, the private hospital nurse quality is much more higher than public hospital.
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Who you kidding la?? For new staff maybe but senior staff especially those that jump from govt sector with experience, post basic and skill have very high salaries.And their increment and bonuses is not measly rm500 a year la.. Also what quality can achieve if workload at govt hospital is 5x the work at private hosp..The brain drain from govt hosp is real..30000 of our best nurses now work in the middle east alone..
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Dec 24 2019, 09:21 AM)
Well, it is exactly the same like those people want to hapus GST.
Think think they are smart that hapus GST can help country. But they are bodoh as fuck.
I am talking about the voter who vote PH for the sake of hapus GST. dry.gif
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Abolishing GST (more money to Country) was the stupidest thing ever. Flat rate 6% tax on everything is a fair tax system. UK/Europe using this system for a long time now. Now you bring back SST where some are taxed, some are not. Loopholes will exists. Then mula la introduce all kinds of creative tax structure to balance the budget. Lepas tak cukup duit, potong sini, potong sana.
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contract base means can nego salary on next contract term right?
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 24 2019, 08:33 AM)
Ah okay, they cut slowly one by one. Dulu oncall claim for HO, then this kritikal elaun.
Last last nnt after few year, tinggal gaji pokok 2.9k je. 🤣
Dah la jadi mo gaji lagi lower dari HO. Dia potong lagi.🤣
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What can we do. Other developed countries jaga their professional workers meanwhile in bolehland just cut everything they can. Kerajaan sepenggal itu pasti.
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contract base means can nego salary on next contract term right?
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QUOTE(powerlinkers @ Dec 24 2019, 01:09 AM)
menteri2 bodoh Pakatan Harapan yang tidak mempunyai sijil dan sijil palsu, tak tahan sejuk di parlimen, ponteng sesi2 parlimen, goyang kaki menipu tanpa rasa bersalah mampu mendapat pencen berpuluh2 ribu sebulan selepas panaskan kerusi 1 penggal, tetapi gaji doktor2 yang kena bekerja 32-48jam berterusan bukan sahaja mendapat rm200/hari , malah gaji mereka dipotong.
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menteri and politician with dubious degree and fake degree will continue get their allowance as usual.. Parliaments session also lazy to attend.. give bodo idea like flying car also no problem.. Debt increasing day by day..market tumble.. everyday fighting for own post in party while ignoring national interest..




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Nope.
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why no? if cannot nego you can just jump ship?
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Good la, reduce the bloated industry.

At last maybe can see see some long term improvement
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Mansuhkan juga elaun keraian
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Dec 24 2019, 08:24 AM)
It is already shit.

Private hospital nurse salary is already lower than public hospital.
And yet, the private hospital nurse quality is much more higher than public hospital.
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Not sure where u refer as private hospital but my sister in law 32 years old earn 5k working in columbia asia way more than gov. Plus not included bonus if the the clients give her 3 stars for services
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Those elaun kena potong. But undi ph. Really pity for this people. Harap dapat bersabar
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QUOTE(keny2020j @ Dec 24 2019, 09:37 AM)
contract base means can nego salary on next contract term right?
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Should cut phone allowance etc2. Jgn kacau allowance skim kritikal.
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QUOTE(Freeloader @ Dec 23 2019, 10:29 PM)
If cut allowance but got growth okla, this one, country still practice racist NEP and cut allowance. GG la Malaysia.
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Not related but this year alone lhdn audit :
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2. Bro 1 year
3. Gf 2 years

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me also kena for 2 years...2016 2017

been paying income tax since fresh grad 2011 never kena audit before..LGE naik terus kena..wakaakakka mcb lge ranting.gif ranting.gif
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MP allowance dont want to cut ah
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 24 2019, 09:40 AM)
"bantulah kerajaan untuk bantu anda, potongan elaun dan gaji anda yg 4 angka itu amat membantu kewangan negara" - ahli parlimen, gaji 5 angka
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ingat masa shahidan kasim kata ahli parlimen kena ikat perut
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 24 2019, 09:39 AM)
Good la, reduce the bloated industry.

At last maybe can see see some long term improvement
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Healthcare is not industry..it is critical services.. It's not for profit..It is for the wellbeing of the nation..Do you really want your or your family to be treated by overworked and underpaid healthcare professionals???
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Dec 24 2019, 09:48 AM)
me also kena for 2 years...2016 2017

been paying income tax since fresh grad 2011 never kena audit before..LGE naik terus kena..wakaakakka mcb lge ranting.gif  ranting.gif
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Maybe they saw some irregularities in your report to them, anyways what was the outcome of the audit?

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menteri and politician with dubious degree and fake degree will continue get their allowance as usual.. Parliaments session also lazy to attend.. give bodo idea like flying car also no problem.. Debt increasing day by day..market tumble.. everyday fighting for own post in party while ignoring national interest..
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Why are they being allowed to keep their job anyways.. if this is corporate world sure will get booted out.
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Also don't get..It's contract and EPF till end of service..
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no need to worry, the good nurses will all just jump ship to private sector so public hospitals will slowly turn to sh*t.
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The 4 criteria for critical allowance are as outlined below:
1. The profession selected should be within a field or area of interest as determined by the government to be of critical importance to the growth and development of the nation.
2. The profession should be one in which there is great competition for candidates with the government needing to incentivize the positions to attract the best talents
3. The profession should be one with specialized skills and expertise
4. The profession exposes the candidate to a variety of dangers and risks

got it from another thread..

So by abolishing the allowance meaning new doctors and healtcare staff are immune to danger and risk?
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Also don't get..It's contract and EPF till end of service..
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Maybe they saw some irregularities in your report to them, anyways what was the outcome of the audit?
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no lah..2-3 years LHDN really amped up their auditing maa..business really sienz..every year audit nowadays..lolz..since LGE lagi teruk maa..wkakakakaka..tokong only know to cut and korek but dont know how to create new income doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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lulz they voted to cut their allowance



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menteri-menteri / pegawai atasan allowance got cut also?
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menteri-menteri / pegawai atasan allowance got cut also?
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Dec 24 2019, 09:35 AM)
Abolishing GST (more money to Country) was the stupidest thing ever. Flat rate 6% tax on everything is a fair tax system. UK/Europe using this system for a long time now. Now you bring back SST where some are taxed, some are not. Loopholes will exists. Then mula la introduce all kinds of creative tax structure to balance the budget. Lepas tak cukup duit, potong sini, potong sana.
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face problem yo, PH promised to abolish if no abolish no face...
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Dec 24 2019, 10:00 AM)
The 4 criteria for critical allowance are as outlined below:
1. The profession selected should be within a field or area of interest as determined by the government to be of critical importance to the growth and development of the nation.
2. The profession should be one in which there is great competition for candidates with the government needing to incentivize the positions to attract the best talents
3. The profession should be one with specialized skills and expertise
4. The profession exposes the candidate to a variety of dangers and risks

got it from another thread..

So by abolishing the allowance meaning new doctors and healtcare staff are immune to danger and risk?
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it means u die ur own problem...
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compare how many people going to private and govt hospital..rich people that never using govt hospital services dont know about their workload..
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Dec 24 2019, 10:00 AM)
The 4 criteria for critical allowance are as outlined below:
1. The profession selected should be within a field or area of interest as determined by the government to be of critical importance to the growth and development of the nation.
2. The profession should be one in which there is great competition for candidates with the government needing to incentivize the positions to attract the best talents
3. The profession should be one with specialized skills and expertise
4. The profession exposes the candidate to a variety of dangers and risks

got it from another thread..

So by abolishing the allowance meaning new doctors and healtcare staff are immune to danger and risk?
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Suddenly terus new gen got immunity to HIV HBV
Power wehhhhhh

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it means u die ur own problem...
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It means if u die, they replace you with others. You are not important. Hahaha. Good lar. Push the rakyat more ph. Do it. Let it burn soon
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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 24 2019, 09:34 AM)
Who you kidding la?? For new staff maybe but senior staff especially those that jump from govt sector with experience, post basic and skill have very high salaries.And their increment and bonuses is not measly rm500 a year la.. Also what quality can achieve if workload at govt hospital is 5x the work at private hosp..The brain drain from govt hosp is real..30000 of our best nurses now work in the middle east alone..
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https://www.jpa.gov.my/pengumuman/1098-peke...n-10-tahun-2019

Bijan pun dah post dekat fb.
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QUOTE(SGLT2 @ Dec 24 2019, 09:42 AM)
Not sure where u refer as private hospital but my sister in law 32 years old earn 5k working in columbia asia way more than gov. Plus not included bonus if the the clients give her 3 stars for services
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You go ask your sister in law again, are she working as nurse. If she is, I would guess she is a nurse manager which you can't compare apple to apple.

My gf work in private hospital as a nurse. She went to SG last year.

In Malaysia RN (Registered Nurse) in Private hospital around 2k -3k or less.
RN in gov hospital can up to 4k with allowance included.

Shit tons of work in private hospital as well.

Things go differently in oversea. If you convert the currency, below are some idea for you.

SG, RM 10k
Arab, RM 25k
Canada, RM 20k

Most of Malaysia nurses like to go to Arab for 2 years contract.
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QUOTE(SGLT2 @ Dec 24 2019, 09:42 AM)
Not sure where u refer as private hospital but my sister in law 32 years old earn 5k working in columbia asia way more than gov. Plus not included bonus if the the clients give her 3 stars for services
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You go ask your sister in law again, are she working as nurse. If she is, I would guess she is a nurse manager which you can't compare apple to apple.

My gf work in private hospital as a nurse. She went to SG last year.

In Malaysia RN (Registered Nurse) in Private hospital around 2k -3k or less.
RN in gov hospital can up to 4k with allowance included.

Shit tons of work in private hospital as well.

Things go differently in oversea. If you convert the currency, below are some idea for you.

SG, RM 10k
Arab, RM 25k
Canada, RM 20k

Most of Malaysia nurses like to go to Arab for 2 years contract.
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Dec 24 2019, 09:35 AM)
Abolishing GST (more money to Country) was the stupidest thing ever. Flat rate 6% tax on everything is a fair tax system. UK/Europe using this system for a long time now. Now you bring back SST where some are taxed, some are not. Loopholes will exists. Then mula la introduce all kinds of creative tax structure to balance the budget. Lepas tak cukup duit, potong sini, potong sana.
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But is the smartest topic which can get the support from most of the Malaysian.
Too many people thought country will become rich if print more money. dry.gif
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Dec 24 2019, 09:35 AM)
Abolishing GST (more money to Country) was the stupidest thing ever. Flat rate 6% tax on everything is a fair tax system. UK/Europe using this system for a long time now. Now you bring back SST where some are taxed, some are not. Loopholes will exists. Then mula la introduce all kinds of creative tax structure to balance the budget. Lepas tak cukup duit, potong sini, potong sana.
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Kroni atok x suka gst2 ni...
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 24 2019, 09:33 AM)
Ah okay, they cut slowly one by one. Dulu oncall claim for HO, then this kritikal elaun.
Last last nnt after few year, tinggal gaji pokok 2.9k je. 🤣
Dah la jadi mo gaji lagi lower dari HO. Dia potong lagi.🤣
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HO no more on call claim? Now new one no more critical allowance. So how much is their gaji now for new HO?
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while JUSA's getting allowance for maid..house renovation...handphone...car... etc

kthxbai.
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HO no more on call claim? Now new one no more critical allowance. So how much is their gaji now for new HO?
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Yup. Their gaji pokok is around 2.9k. With all the allowances, total about 4k.
Hence this 750 is a big thing.

It's not fair to keep squeezing them, keep in mind, those who have education loan to pay back too.

How can you expect one to care for the patients, if they can't care for themselves? Constantly worried about putting food on the table, money for a rainy day? Familial commitments.
Not just doctors, other healthcare staffs too. It's just not fair at all. I've seen nurses who come to work, despite their own toddler who is admitted into hospitals. (as there is no one to replace their shift). Houseman who have to work despite parents are admitted to hospital. And we expect them to have compassion? While we are showing non to them?

There is no oncall allowances for HO.
MO and specialist can claim oncall. Mind you, they are only paid RM200 per oncall. That's like RM8/hr. And oncall means 8am until 5pm the next day in most places. Tired after seeing cases in the emergency zone the whole night? Too bad, the clinic and ward are not gonna run themselves. Stay back and do your work lol.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 24 2019, 11:21 AM)
while JUSA's getting allowance for maid..house renovation...handphone...car... etc

kthxbai.
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dont see JUSA only...see the minister,speaker,political appointee and other kroni also.... whistling.gif
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dont see JUSA only...see the minister,speaker,political appointee and other kroni also....  whistling.gif
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malas nk komen edi la... mcm2 now days... basically the government doesn't know their priority.
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malas nk komen edi la... mcm2 now days... basically the government doesn't know their priority.
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https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/5026...aru-di-Malaysia
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HO no more on call claim? Now new one no more critical allowance. So how much is their gaji now for new HO?
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Ho mana ada oncall claim.
Mampus makin lama makin kurang gaji.
Satu satu dia potong elaun. Nnt Hamba Orang kerja dengan basic salary je la.


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ask jibby muntah all the $$$

and his wife jewelry settle debts...
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Good la, reduce the bloated industry.

At last maybe can see see some long term improvement
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Scared before long term arrives, kena booted lo...one of the disadvantages of democracy whereby government has to give candies to make ppl vote for them ....
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ask jibby muntah all the $$$

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salah jibby lagi
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Yup. Their gaji pokok is around 2.9k. With all the allowances, total about 4k.
Hence this 750 is a big thing.

It's not fair to keep squeezing them, keep in mind, those who have education loan to pay back too.

How can you expect one to care for the patients, if they can't care for themselves? Constantly worried about putting food on the table, money for a rainy day? Familial commitments.
Not just doctors, other healthcare staffs too. It's just not fair at all. I've seen nurses who come to work, despite their own toddler who is admitted into hospitals. (as there is no one to replace their shift). Houseman who have to work despite parents are admitted to hospital. And we expect them to have compassion? While we are showing non to them?

There is no oncall allowances for HO.
MO and specialist can claim oncall. Mind you, they are only paid RM200 per oncall. That's like RM8/hr. And oncall means 8am until 5pm the next day in most places. Tired after seeing cases in the emergency zone the whole night? Too bad, the clinic and ward are not gonna run themselves. Stay back and do your work lol.
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Fleksi allowance for HO is still on.
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ask jibby muntah all the $$$

and his wife jewelry settle debts...
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Alahai bodoh nya. Ini je ke tahap macai gov nowadays.
Last last salah najib. Salah umno.

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Critical allowance for those who work hard day and night kena potong.

MP who ponteng parliament session and giving stupid excuse such as habis lambat and air con sejuk tak potong2 their allowance.
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This.
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salah jibby lagi
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QUOTE(vater @ Dec 24 2019, 11:47 AM)
Yup. Their gaji pokok is around 2.9k. With all the allowances, total about 4k.
Hence this 750 is a big thing.

It's not fair to keep squeezing them, keep in mind, those who have education loan to pay back too.

How can you expect one to care for the patients, if they can't care for themselves? Constantly worried about putting food on the table, money for a rainy day? Familial commitments.
Not just doctors, other healthcare staffs too. It's just not fair at all. I've seen nurses who come to work, despite their own toddler who is admitted into hospitals. (as there is no one to replace their shift). Houseman who have to work despite parents are admitted to hospital. And we expect them to have compassion? While we are showing non to them?

There is no oncall allowances for HO.
MO and specialist can claim oncall. Mind you, they are only paid RM200 per oncall. That's like RM8/hr. And oncall means 8am until 5pm the next day in most places. Tired after seeing cases in the emergency zone the whole night? Too bad, the clinic and ward are not gonna run themselves. Stay back and do your work lol.
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That's 200 per day right,? Plus there is such a thing as active on call n passive on call. Active as in you must be in hospital during your shift or passive as in you only go to hospital when you are called. I think specialist do passive call ones. N the 200 per day for passive call is irregardless wether u were called or not right?
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Dec 24 2019, 11:21 AM)
while JUSA's getting allowance for maid..house renovation...handphone...car... etc

kthxbai.
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Yup why not abolish maid handphone renovation etc allowance for JUSA and politician first.
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stop politics.

we t20. this is not our problem.
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Dec 23 2019, 10:35 PM)
ph voter oredi rich.
rm 15k a month.
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Govt increase salaries n allowance MP/SA .
Cut allowance for other dept.

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QUOTE(raquinz @ Dec 24 2019, 09:51 AM)
Healthcare is not industry..it is critical services.. It's not for profit..It is for the wellbeing of the nation..Do you really want your or your family to be treated by overworked and underpaid healthcare professionals???
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Maybe possible to:
Schedule management?
Task management?
Manpower forecast and trend?
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QUOTE(Chekusan2019 @ Dec 24 2019, 02:53 PM)
That's 200 per day right,? Plus there is such a thing as active on call n passive on call. Active as in you must be in hospital during your shift or passive as in you only go to hospital when you are called. I think specialist do passive call ones.  N the 200 per day for passive call is irregardless wether u were called or not right?
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It's RM200 per active call.
And RM80 per passive call (which goes up to 120 if you've worked for more than 4 hours during the passive call, after 5pm)

I have a family member in service. And trust me.. After active call, the only thing I can describe him is... A walking zombie..
In medical department.. The amount of stress they go thru during their calls, and the emergencies... I'm just grateful I'm in a different career path hahahaha. I won't be able to handle that stress.
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 24 2019, 04:53 PM)
Maybe possible to:
Schedule management?
Task management?
Manpower forecast and trend?
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Obviously not in healthcare industry....thinks it's like factory or project management....
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Obviously not in healthcare industry....thinks it's like factory or project management....
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blush.gif blush.gif Hahahaha

Means healthcare industry has no possibility of work schedule? rofl.... tongue.gif
Cute.. luckily you're not one of the minister yoh~
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:15 AM)
blush.gif  blush.gif Hahahaha

Means healthcare industry has no possibility of work schedule? rofl.... tongue.gif
Cute.. luckily you're not one of the minister yoh~
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Kindly explain how you schedule when the baby will want to come out, or when the appendix decided to explode...

"Go back go back, don't come out yet, my boss scheduled tonight as light and low staffing....come back tomorrow morning...." Lol

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 26 2019, 09:17 AM)
Kindly explain how you schedule when the baby will want to come out, or when the appendix decided to explode...

"Go back go back, don't come out yet, my boss scheduled tonight as light and low staffing....come back tomorrow morning...." Lol
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You mean you cannot schedule someone to standby?
You got no idea standby can be plan?

Have you heard of scheduled workshift?
I'm not saying making everyone work 9-6...

Oh god like talking to budak2 sekolah pulak nih =/
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:21 AM)
You mean you cannot schedule someone to standby?
You got no idea standby can be plan?

Have you heard of scheduled workshift?
I'm not saying making everyone work 9-6...

Oh god like talking to budak2 sekolah pulak nih =/
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where to get that extra someone to standby?

if they go by shift, then next day not enough doctors during the day. then long queue at clinic patients like you will kpkb
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where to get that extra someone to standby?

if they go by shift, then next day not enough doctors during the day. then long queue at clinic patients like you will kpkb
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That is where planning fail right?

If u have 9. knowing morning traffic is high.

It can be 6+3 system?

Understand now? smile.gif
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First of all, I am not a doctor nor any family members of me is house officer. Being a house officer is exhausted which we could not deny.

Let us to have some reality, house officer are the pillar of any countireis. They study hard to go though all the 5 tough years and some even 6 years in certain medical school before graduated as a fresh doctor.

They were the first liner in any health emergency and in many instances are being exposed to deadly or highly infected disease no matter it is airborne or accidentally needle pricked.

When u take away those critical allowance, this translate to you , the government taking their risk of exposure to the hazard during work lightly and granted.

Government, these young people worked hard and deserved to be compensated accordingly.

If I am in your government, which I would not and rather not, would first suggest your government to reduce all the hefty pay to your minister.

Remember government, those ministers are elected by the rakyat. We dont know wll or how smart they are prior to their selection. Remember government , those ministers are not any of the smart ceo or directors or engineers or accountant or doctors and many other respected profession that can run a company or organisation which can contribute to the company or organisation earning and the wellbeing of many other employees within.


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Government, let me add on another suggestion of mine. Health ministry is with no doubt one of the most complicated ministry. A proper running of this ministry should be fully run by an experienced doctor who at least served in the government hospital during the career.

Your ministry run with the most efficient during Chua soi lek. He knew the weakness in the hospital staff. He is the one that make it 2 years compulsory for housemenship and he is also the one increase housemen allowances.

MR LEE, the deputy health minister, tou are a cardiologist. I believe you certainly know how tough those medical officer that work in this department.
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:21 AM)
You mean you cannot schedule someone to standby?
You got no idea standby can be plan?

Have you heard of scheduled workshift?
I'm not saying making everyone work 9-6...

Oh god like talking to budak2 sekolah pulak nih =/
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:28 AM)
That is where planning fail right?

If u have 9. knowing morning traffic is high.

It can be 6+3 system?

Understand now? smile.gif
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:21 AM)
You mean you cannot schedule someone to standby?
You got no idea standby can be plan?

Have you heard of scheduled workshift?
I'm not saying making everyone work 9-6...

Oh god like talking to budak2 sekolah pulak nih =/
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Standby?....lol

Nevermind....you obviously know nothing about healthcare....
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Kindly explain how you schedule when the baby will want to come out, or when the appendix decided to explode...

"Go back go back, don't come out yet, my boss scheduled tonight as light and low staffing....come back tomorrow morning...." Lol
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Or someone accident n head injured..eh head dun injured 1st..wait tml someone come in. Someone will cover shift. Wait a little while.
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standby?hahaha..you never working before?
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:21 AM)
You mean you cannot schedule someone to standby?
You got no idea standby can be plan?

Have you heard of scheduled workshift?
I'm not saying making everyone work 9-6...

Oh god like talking to budak2 sekolah pulak nih =/
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Shift system doest work for medical field.
already our houseman are turning in to clerks because of the shift system. Ask anything also saya tak tau saya shift petang patient masuk pagi..

If ur not a doctor u wouldn't understand. The amount of info that need to pass over at end of shift itself is a recipe for disaster.

that if why passovers are done in the morning during grand rounds with multiple mos and specialist present.

The post call MO can passover to the on call MO with specialist preset to adjust any plans if needed.

If just 1 to 1 In the middle of the night confirm things will be left out.

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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:28 AM)
That is where planning fail right?

If u have 9. knowing morning traffic is high.

It can be 6+3 system?

Understand now? smile.gif
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the problem is not enough staff
u understand that
the reality is staff only got 6, and the day 6 also not enough to handle
how u want staff to standby???

that why got on call
mean when they REALLY need the doctor they will call it
some doctor need to work till 24hour, u know why?
BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH STAFF
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QUOTE(dregatar @ Dec 26 2019, 10:02 AM)
Shift system doest work for medical field.
already our houseman are turning in to clerks because of the shift system. Ask anything also saya tak tau saya shift petang patient masuk pagi..

If ur not a doctor u wouldn't understand. The amount of info that need to pass over at end of shift itself is a recipe for disaster.

that if why passovers are done in the morning during grand rounds with multiple mos and specialist present.

The post call MO can passover to the on call MO with specialist preset to adjust any plans if needed.

If just 1 to 1 In the middle of the night confirm things will be left out.
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Shift can work, if done properly....with good doctors, good command of language, able to communicate effectively and quickly....

It's done in both NHS and Australia....

But yes, the handover is always the weakest point, and prone to omissions.....in the Msian system with doctors with poor language skills (English in this case), the risks is even higher....

That's why the old tested continuity of care and long work hours is still the best....but it's a heavy toll on the worker....

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 26 2019, 10:04 AM)
Shift can work, if done properly....with good doctors, good command of language, able to communicate effectively and quickly....

It's done in both NHS and Australia....
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The thing is simple only shift system can be done with enough workforce. The problem is can the gov afford to pay the work force?

Isn't that the whole problem now gov got no money.

In Australia and NHS rge work hours cap of 12-14 hours only applies to junior doctors (housemen I assume).

I don't know any hosp in the world where their specialist work in shifts.
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 09:28 AM)
That is where planning fail right?

If u have 9. knowing morning traffic is high.

It can be 6+3 system?

Understand now? smile.gif
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what the fuck has this gotta do with morning traffic? or are you referring to patient traffic? you want patients to visit clinics at night? rclxub.gif

QUOTE(akecema @ Dec 26 2019, 10:03 AM)
the problem is not enough staff
u understand that
the reality is staff only got 6, and the day 6 also not enough to handle
how u want staff to standby???

that why got on call
mean when they REALLY need the doctor they will call it
some doctor need to work till 24hour, u know why?
BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH STAFF
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QUOTE(dregatar @ Dec 26 2019, 10:22 AM)
The thing is simple only shift system can be done with enough workforce. The problem is can the gov afford to pay the work force?

Isn't that the whole problem now gov got no money.

In Australia and NHS rge work hours cap of 12-14 hours only applies to junior doctors (housemen I assume).

I don't know any hosp in the world where their specialist work in shifts.
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exactly. so don't bs me with we have too much doctors or pharmacist or dentist or nurse. is no funding hire more.

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QUOTE(dregatar @ Dec 26 2019, 10:22 AM)
The thing is simple only shift system can be done with enough workforce. The problem is can the gov afford to pay the work force?

Isn't that the whole problem now gov got no money.

In Australia and NHS rge work hours cap of 12-14 hours only applies to junior doctors (housemen I assume).

I don't know any hosp in the world where their specialist work in shifts.
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Some acute specialities work in shifts....eg EM, Gen Med in big hospitals....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 26 2019, 10:29 AM)
Some acute specialities work in shifts....eg EM, Gen Med in big hospitals....
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and its unfair to ask a group of ppl to take home less salaries because gov got no money while MP and ministers getting so much incentives.
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just curious why don't those doc/nurse just jump into private?
do they need some kind of requirement before get into private? like 2 years in gov hospital?
because my friend, graduated from RCSI under mara, simply did his HO in Singapore and currently enjoy living as a DR there

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 26 2019, 11:02 AM)
just curious why don't those doc/nurse just jump into private?
do they need some kind of requirement before get into private? like 2 years in gov hospital?
because my friend, graduated from RCSI under mara, simply did his HO in Singapore and currently enjoy living as a DR there
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Your friend is a traitor who used public tax money and failed to honour commitment to the bond....

There are not that many jobs for junior doctors in private....

Singapore is very selective who can register to work....the bulk of Msian graduate doctors do not qualify to register with SMC....they also have just de-recognised degree mill rcsi earlier this year....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 26 2019, 01:43 PM)
Your friend is a traitor who used public tax money and failed to honour commitment to the bond....

There are not that many jobs for junior doctors in private....

Singapore is very selective who can register to work....the bulk of Msian graduate doctors do not qualify to register with SMC....they also have just de-recognised degree mill rcsi earlier this year....
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what bond? if JPA, yes u have to serve gov for agreed period. i don't think MARA have that kind of agreement.
he still Malaysian tho, live in JB.
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 26 2019, 01:56 PM)
what bond? if JPA, yes u have to serve gov for agreed period. i don't think MARA have that kind of agreement.
he still Malaysian tho, live in JB.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 26 2019, 06:43 AM)
Your friend is a traitor who used public tax money and failed to honour commitment to the bond....

There are not that many jobs for junior doctors in private....

Singapore is very selective who can register to work....the bulk of Msian graduate doctors do not qualify to register with SMC....they also have just de-recognised degree mill rcsi earlier this year....
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MARA is not subject to the same conditions as JPA.

As long as you pay back the amount they require from you, you can work anywhere else in the world.
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QUOTE(akecema @ Dec 26 2019, 10:03 AM)
the problem is not enough staff
u understand that
the reality is staff only got 6, and the day 6 also not enough to handle
how u want staff to standby???

that why got on call
mean when they REALLY need the doctor they will call it
some doctor need to work till 24hour, u know why?
BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH STAFF
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1) What is the % cost of allowance now from the total payroll.
Could % be reallocated to permanent hiring instead?

2) Isnt it a known thing we have oversupply of doctors.
Was it an oversupply or undersupply matters?

3) So you felt super safe in the hands of doctors who worked for 24hours straight?
They are the best healthcare advisor with caffein help right?
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1) What is the % cost of allowance now from the total payroll.
Could % be reallocated to permanent hiring instead?

2) Isnt it a known thing we have oversupply of doctors.
Was it an oversupply or undersupply matters?

3) So you felt super safe in the hands of doctors who worked for 24hours straight?
They are the best healthcare advisor with caffein help right?
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my opinion

1. won't termination of critical allowance for OT allow hospital to hire more people?

2. oversupply of Quota doctor and undersupply of Performance doctor

3. definitely no, no caffeine will be enough to fix overwork performance drop
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QUOTE(StorMx @ Dec 26 2019, 03:33 PM)
1) What is the % cost of allowance now from the total payroll.
Could % be reallocated to permanent hiring instead?

2) Isnt it a known thing we have oversupply of doctors.
Was it an oversupply or undersupply matters?

3) So you felt super safe in the hands of doctors who worked for 24hours straight?
They are the best healthcare advisor with caffein help right?
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1. Around 15% from net total salary.. permenant ar? Need to ask jpa create more gov post la for it. Nowdays gov jerit jerit want to reduce penjawat awam punya numbers right..

2. Only people outside healthcare sector that and also that never go to gov klinik/ed yg always say this oversupply thing...we got oversupply med graduate..not doctors.
The post provided by gov are full yes. Why? Because it relatively about the same as years before.
And it doesnt mean yg it is equivalent and can fit with the increase of number patient come in every year.
They doesnt increase the post number accordingly.
Our malaysia doctor to patient ratio is 1.8 per 1000
Average OECD country punya ratio 3.4 per 1000

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 26 2019, 11:02 AM)
just curious why don't those doc/nurse just jump into private?
do they need some kind of requirement before get into private? like 2 years in gov hospital?
because my friend, graduated from RCSI under mara, simply did his HO in Singapore and currently enjoy living as a DR there
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Idk about nurse, coz recently yg got contract position are docs.
After med kid graduate, they need to go Housemanship 2 years mandatory in Gov msia hosp. If they want to practice and work in malaysia.
Then only got full mmc registration. Why not oversea? Idk, money, debt, family, cert recognition, And not all oversea country terima msia/other country degree sometimes.
And if they coming back to msia and want to practise..still you need to do that ho,.shit or perhaps exam and tagging. Depends perhaps.Not sure.

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Anyhow they can work overseas ? Like houseman or mo outside Malaysia ?
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Anyhow they can work overseas ? Like houseman or mo outside Malaysia ?
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Gov should increase the charge to the public that wants to get access to public healthcare.

It's time for us to stop the RM1 thing. Bila bagi offer murah, itu yang ramai yang lemak sangat nak melenjan benefit kerajaan.

And doesn't encourage the public to take care of their own health because of the cheap access to healthcare

Just my irrelevant opinion on this

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QUOTE(xpole @ Dec 26 2019, 08:55 PM)
Gov should increase the charge to public yang nak dapat access public healthcare.

It's time for us to stop the RM1 thing. Bila bagi offer murah, itu yang ramai yang lemak sangat nak melenjan benefit kerajaan.

And tak bagi encouragement to people untuk jaga kesihatan bila bagi akses perubatan murah.

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Increase to rm5 per consultation
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Lucky, with new government mindset, we can save lots of cash flow.
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I really believe they rather be the opposition again. Being gov is tough work, now they realise. One term as MP already enough for them to save income.
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Dec 26 2019, 08:57 PM)
Increase to rm5 per consultation
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This is what I'm thinking about. Kalau current gov announce something like this, it will create such a big hooha among people, but this is one of the step to give sense of awareness of taking their own health.
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Pity young gen. Life is getting harder and harder . Gomen need to do something regarding creating more jobs and promoting entrepeunership else all those ppl think only dr engineer lawyer got propect in future . Reality is the job is oversaturated ady
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Oversupply of medical grad but undersupply of doctor, they should just allow do housemanship in private hospital.
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Hmmm.......cukur..........."very critical" allowance no cut........ whistling.gif whistling.gif

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Padan muka doktor2 sekalian
Dulu kehmain mengata bijan
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QUOTE(xpole @ Dec 26 2019, 12:55 PM)
Gov should increase the charge to the public that wants to get access to public healthcare.

It's time for us to stop the RM1 thing. Bila bagi offer murah, itu yang ramai yang lemak sangat nak melenjan benefit kerajaan.

And doesn't encourage the public to take care of their own health because of the cheap access to healthcare

Just my irrelevant opinion on this
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This I somewhat agree

Collect rm1 better dont collect, give free.

If want collect, atleast rm5-10. Still cost less than a meal
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Dec 26 2019, 09:53 PM)
This I somewhat agree

Collect rm1 better dont collect, give free.

If want collect, atleast rm5-10. Still cost less than a meal
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Entah. Boleh naikkan ni, tak pun 1% total cost. Tp
instead potong elaun new doctor and health workers. Tu pun nasib tak bodoh kacau senior doctors and senior health workers punya elaun. Can only Kacau new kids without power yet.
Kata sudah tak kritikal cut semua la, so takut.

I can forsee health sector in few years they will do mogok.
Let see what happen when Hosp shutdown for a day.

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Dec 26 2019, 09:53 PM)
This I somewhat agree

Collect rm1 better dont collect, give free.

If want collect, atleast rm5-10. Still cost less than a meal
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This is really agree. From my personal general observation, Malaysians are generally a pampered bunch... taken healthcare for granted.
e.g. I've known friends and relatives who goes for clinic follow-up and all and take the medications...but...langsung tak makan. Hundreds of RM goes down the drain. Katanya too much chemical in the body is not good rclxub.gif
And as a consequence, developed a complication due to the non-compliance, requiring further treatment (which obviously incur a higher cost to the government budget as a whole).
But...nak cuba all the pelik2 traditional medications...sanggup pulak beratus-ratus duit keluar doh.gif

So... see where our money are leaking to?

Hence I always say, any change really have to start from the people.
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QUOTE(keny2020j @ Dec 26 2019, 03:39 PM)
my opinion

1. won't termination of critical allowance for OT allow hospital to hire more people?

2. oversupply of Quota doctor and undersupply of Performance doctor

3. definitely no, no caffeine will be enough to fix overwork performance drop
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1. It's the creation of the post. From my understanding, to hire more people, they would first have to create more "penjawatan". Which itself is a long beaurocratic process.

2. I doubt the oversupply issue. I've been to government hospitals and the beds in the medical ward was... rclxub.gif
- Its basically sumbat bed where you can sumbat. Till the walkway pun ada.

3. This is true.
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Budget for allowance takde. Budget for tangkap rokok ada, konon will be earning for government. That’s the crap happens when you put chinaman businessman in charge of finance
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QUOTE(vater @ Dec 26 2019, 10:38 PM)
This is really agree. From my personal general observation, Malaysians are generally a pampered bunch... taken healthcare for granted.
e.g. I've known friends and relatives who goes for clinic follow-up and all and take the medications...but...langsung tak makan. Hundreds of RM goes down the drain. Katanya too much chemical in the body is not good  rclxub.gif
And as a consequence, developed a complication due to the non-compliance, requiring further treatment (which obviously incur a higher cost to the government budget as a whole).
But...nak cuba all the pelik2 traditional medications...sanggup pulak beratus-ratus duit keluar  doh.gif

So... see where our money are leaking to?

Hence I always say, any change really have to start from the people.
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Orang malaysia pelik, benda murah dengan free dia ambil mudah. Lately after they got ubat in pharmacy without subsidies price label only some patients said wah mahal ubat need to eat. But some still degil and ambil mudah. Ungrateful.

When they need to keluar own poket money only they will bising2 and hargai it.

Foreigner pt lagi hargai gov hosp and services eventhou they need to pay mahal. Keeep appt in check, take vaccine.
Msian? Siap got antivaxx, power.



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Saw group discussion that the new coming intake of jr doctor next year plan to protest and defer from roll in the first intake of the job.
Mampus la existing Ho in hosp and MO kena tanggung workloads. No new Ho to fill in the gap left by Ho yg dah habis. uhhh this is exciting!
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 11:14 PM)
Saw group discussion that the new coming intake of jr doctor next year plan to protest and defer from roll in the first intake of the job.
Mampus la existing Ho in hosp and MO kena tanggung workloads. No new Ho to fill in the gap left by Ho yg dah habis. uhhh this is exciting!
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Pity the doctors and other healthcare providers now. Kena milked kaw2. Work long hours, lone ranger, away from family, not enough rest, bad infrastructure in district

While our minister can even complain "the aircond is too cold"


Good God.
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ala...that amount is too little for a doctor to realise.
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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 10:31 PM)
Entah. Boleh naikkan ni, tak pun 1% total cost. Tp
instead potong elaun new doctor and health workers. Tu pun nasib tak bodoh kacau senior doctors and senior health workers punya elaun. Can only Kacau new kids without power yet.
Kata sudah tak kritikal cut semua la, so takut.

I can forsee health sector in few years they will do mogok.
Let see what happen when Hosp shutdown for a day.
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Illegal to mogok..... healthcare is considered "essential services" and by law banned from mogok....

Isn't that ironical.... essential services but no more critical allowance....
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Illegal to mogok..... healthcare is considered "essential services" and by law banned from mogok....

Isn't that ironical.... essential services but no more critical allowance....
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I thought it was “critical” in the sense that there was a shortage of doctors which is no longer the case.

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Gov should increase the charge to the public that wants to get access to public healthcare.

It's time for us to stop the RM1 thing. Bila bagi offer murah, itu yang ramai yang lemak sangat nak melenjan benefit kerajaan.

And doesn't encourage the public to take care of their own health because of the cheap access to healthcare

Just my irrelevant opinion on this
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Increase it to rm25....


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PH wont u turn on this. The waiting list for housemanship is longer than rolex waiting list. PH will get away. Plenty of young medical grads will even work for free to secure their registration.
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I thought it was “critical” in the sense that there was a shortage of doctors which is no longer the case.
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Correct. ....but if you have read the comments earlier....the glut is based on established posts available... It's full....

But from the point of service delivery, the numbers can and should be increased to improve services....and to relieve overworked doctors. ...but will cost money to employ, which gov have no money.....
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1. It's the creation of the post. From my understanding, to hire more people, they would first have to create more "penjawatan". Which itself is a long beaurocratic process.

2. I doubt the oversupply issue. I've been to government hospitals and the beds in the medical ward was...  rclxub.gif
- Its basically sumbat bed where you can sumbat. Till the walkway pun ada.

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Illegal to mogok..... healthcare is considered "essential services" and by law banned from mogok....

Isn't that ironical.... essential services but no more critical allowance....
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Meh probably not anytime soon, but might happen in few years.
Yeah the irony, cant brain the logic in the decision.
Terminate it with reason it no longer critical job, no longer need that much. Okay acceptable reasons, so terminate the whole elaun as total la. Why just the new one, this aint one time payment thing..
dont have ball to cut from everyone that still and already got it ka. Haha takut mogok la ni.

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my opinion

1. won't termination of critical allowance for OT allow hospital to hire more people?

2. oversupply of Quota doctor and undersupply of Performance doctor

3. definitely no, no caffeine will be enough to fix overwork performance drop
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Your opinion no 2 is shit. 2020 in few days still got people belief doctor got quota. Never been to gomen hospital is it? Performance my ass, sendiri racist.
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Your opinion no 2 is shit. 2020 in few days still got people belief doctor got quota. Never been to gomen hospital is it? Performance my ass, sendiri racist.
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There is an invisible quota system in ipta selection....but that's a different issue....

Non performance of junior is quite evenly distributed between ipta and ipts, and between local Vs foreign grads.....

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1. dun think gov will retract the decision since the decision made by committee chaired by Tun M himself

2. the TV3 also aired the statement by JPA mentioned that "the allowance is not permanent, not compulsory, and gov can take back anytime they want". remind me of TH's hibah.

3. someone posted on FB that there will be 10k health care worker will be hired, thus gov need to stop giving allowance to cover that 10k expenses.

4. just give that RM750 back la. can help them pay for H car ok? malu la keje dr tapi balik kampung bawak proton.

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 11:14 PM)
Saw group discussion that the new coming intake of jr doctor next year plan to protest and defer from roll in the first intake of the job.
Mampus la existing Ho in hosp and MO kena tanggung workloads. No new Ho to fill in the gap left by Ho yg dah habis. uhhh this is exciting!
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dont worry..ramai lagi yang nak kerja.one thing with the malaysian..they normally sembang lebih je on social media...in the end apply jugak HO nanti tak dapat lesen nak jadi Dr...malu la dekat orang kampung, belajar tinggi2 takde keje...nak buat menantu macam mana laugh.gif

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QUOTE(shahrul09 @ Dec 26 2019, 03:55 PM)
1. Around 15% from net total salary.. permenant ar? Need to ask jpa create more gov post la for it. Nowdays gov jerit jerit want to reduce penjawat awam punya numbers right..

2. Only people outside healthcare sector that and also that never go to gov klinik/ed yg always say this oversupply thing...we got oversupply med graduate..not doctors.
The post provided by gov are full yes. Why? Because it relatively about the same as years before.
And it doesnt mean yg it is equivalent and can fit with the increase of number patient come in every year.
They doesnt increase the post number accordingly.
Our malaysia doctor to patient ratio is 1.8 per 1000
Average OECD country punya ratio 3.4 per 1000
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JPA already approved 10,000 more posts for Ministry of Health

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JPA Lulus Permohonan KKM Untuk Lebih 10,000 Jawatan
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Hospital Rembau mendapat 385 bilangan jawatan.

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Mohd Khairul Adib Abd Rahman, Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Awam (kiri), menyerahkan Waran Perjawatan kepada Dr Chen Chaw Min, Ketua Setiausaha, Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, pada 2 Disember 2019. Gambar dari fb.com/kementeriankesihatanmalaysia.
KUALA LUMPUR, 2 Dis — Kerajaan persekutuan telah mempertimbang dan meluluskan permohonan Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia (KKM) bagi mewujudkan 10,675 bilangan jawatan.

Ini ialah berdasarkan keperluan fasiliti kesihatan KKM yang telah siap dan bakal beroperasi mulai tahun ini hingga tahun depan.

“Sebagai permulaan, waran perjawatan yang mengandungi 385 perjawatan untuk Hospital Rembau, Negri Sembilan, telah diserahkan kepada YBhg Dato’ Seri Dr Chen Chaw Min, Ketua Setiausaha KKM pada hari ini.

“Jawatan ini merupakan sebahagian daripada 10,675 yang akan diagihkan secara berfasa,” Mohd Khairul Adib Abd Rahman, Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Awam, berkata dalam satu kenyataan hari ini.

“Kelulusan permohonan KKM ini mengambil kira untuk menambah baik kualiti perkhidmatan kesihatan kepada rakyat. Namun begitu, sektor-sektor perkhidmatan lain juga penting dan turut menyumbang kepada pembangunan negara. Justeru, penyelesaian isu perjawatan ini perlu dilihat secara menyeluruh dan tidak hanya tertumpu kepada satu kementerian sahaja.

“Pada tahun lepas, pelaksanaan Dasar Kawalan Saiz Perkhidmatan Awam yang telah diputuskan oleh kerajaan menyasarkan pengurangan lima peratus daripada 1.7 juta perjawatan di sektor awam bagi tempoh tiga tahun mulai dari tahun 2019 sehingga 2021. Ia adalah bertujuan untuk mengoptimumkan penggunaan sumber manusia serta meningkatkan kecekapan produktiviti dalam perkhidmatan awam.”

Pengumuman Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam tidak berkata sama ada bilangan jawatan KKM yang diluluskan adalah jawatan tetap atau kontrak.

KKM telah berkata bahawa hampir setengah daripada dua golongan pegawai perubatan siswazah (HO) kontrak yang pertama telah dilantik sebagai pegawai perubatan kontrak untuk menjalani perkhidmatan awam mereka selama dua tahun. Selepas itu, mereka diberitahu untuk mencari kerja di sektor swasta.


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All houseman are now on contract....if they don't turn up for work, the contract is easily withdrawn.....and the job given to the next person in the waiting list.....

So I don't think new recruits are going to do anything to jeopardize their future....

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JPA already approved 10,000 more posts for Ministry of Health
https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2019/12/02...-10000-jawatan/
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I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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We need nurses more than doctor i believe..The nursing shortage at ward is really severe..
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 27 2019, 09:09 AM)
I understand only half is for medical officers....with the houseman tsunami at 5000 per year, this will be filled in 1 year.... then?
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that is the actual reason for removal of critical allowance..the demand is more than supply..15,000 post available but the supply is more than 23,000 (including medical grad who graduated from indon, russia, india)...

with industry 4.0 on the rise, less doctors will be needed as we are going to rely on Artifical Intelligence (AI) for diagnosis , heck even surgery can be performed by robot..Perhaps we need to pay critical allowance to AI laugh.gif

not only doctors, other sectors will also be gradually replaced by AI..


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Want to cut also not the newbie la Weì. Cut from those high salary doc. 750 a lot for fresh
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that is the actual reason for removal of critical allowance..the demand is more than supply..15,000 post available but the supply is more than 23,000 (including medical grad who graduated from indon, russia, india)...

with industry 4.0 on the rise, less doctors will be needed as we are going to rely on Artifical Intelligence (AI) for diagnosis , heck even surgery can be performed by robot..Perhaps we need to pay critical allowance to AI laugh.gif

not only doctors, other sectors will also be gradually replaced by AI..
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No, ai and robots will not take over.... healthcare is one area technology cannot replace humans.... trust me....
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cukurla, they cut the allowance but they increase base salary by 31%!
what more do u want?

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Bring back BN no use also..PH increased nasitional debt and people dont want GST.. We are going to become slave to Tongsan and Jepunis

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 27 2019, 09:25 AM)
No, ai and robots will not take over.... healthcare is one area technology cannot replace humans.... trust me....
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The OECD released a list showing the likelihood of roles, within specific industries, becoming obsolete or automated.
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While robots may be better at quickly, efficiently and safely completing physical, predictable tasks, robots aren’t better at everything. Currently, most robots lack social and cognitive skills. They might be able to work as chatbots to answer customer questions and complaints within a given framework, but they generally lack enough empathy to adequately support or care for customers and patients.

As a result, roles that involve recognising cultural sensitivities, caring for others, creative or complex reasoning or perception and manipulation are unlikely to be automated. So, social workers, nurses, nuclear engineers, teachers and writers can rest assured that they won’t be replaced by robots any time soon.


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https://www.changerecruitmentgroup.com/know...-future-of-work
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/20...e-to-automation

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dont think AI gonna replace doctors

humans needs some other humans to sue if anything happens
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Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?

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dont think AI gonna replace doctors

humans needs some other humans to sue if anything happens
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they dont completely replace DR. but can replace dr in pre-eliminary inspection.
go watch the youtube originals, the age of ai

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i think another way to see it from a balanced and unbiased perspective is the government takes ownership on the pressing need for doctors but still the limiting factor is always money

its not a glut of doctors, its a shortage of money to pay doctors causing limited posts available

simply put, gov reduces pay to new doctors so they have the resources to hire more new doctors

is it choosing the lesser evil? maybe.

but are there more lesser evils that the government can do to reduce operating costs? highly likely. Take away pensions to easily tired and easily cold single term MPs is one of them.

Politicians arent there for the long game, they are just gonna retire rich. Professionals will always be there to run the show.

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QUOTE(coolcity888 @ Dec 27 2019, 09:42 AM)
Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?
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QUOTE(coolcity888 @ Dec 27 2019, 09:42 AM)
Seriously think about it. What make doctor so special that every graduate will be GUARANTEED a job. All posts in jpa will need to go through interviews and interviews. To become a teacher, need to apply, interview and pass a test. Doctor is a very important job but to go in our health system, they just need to graduate from their university. No screening on their ability. Government MUST take them no matter they are good or not. Many graduated without knowing anything especially those from those cap ayam uni. Please la.... Human life is at stake and we are so lenient with doctors. Obviously government got no more money to create more posts for doctors. Why can't we choose only the best when we have lots of choices now?
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No need to reinvent the wheel....go see how well managed health systems in the world do this.....

Pick students carefully, that's going to be the most important step..plan numbers carefully.....no shortage, but never never surplus too...then nurture them throughout their career....pay them well.....

So yes, in these systems, they minimise wastage, no excess, ensure everybody has a good paying job.....well trained and competent....

How many of these principles we got wrong?.....lol
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QUOTE(SerioseCat @ Dec 27 2019, 10:05 AM)
i think another way to see it from a balanced and unbiased perspective is the government takes ownership on the pressing need for doctors but still the limiting factor is always money

its not a glut of doctors, its a shortage of money to pay doctors causing limited posts available

simply put, gov reduces pay to new doctors so they have the resources to hire more new doctors

is it choosing the lesser evil?  maybe.

but are there more lesser evils that the government can do to reduce operating costs?  highly likely.  Take away pensions to easily tired and easily cold single term MPs is one of them.

Politicians arent there for the long game, they are just gonna retire rich.  Professionals will always be there to run the show.
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even BN wont remove their pensions..i fought hard to form govt then i take pay cut to my salary..and i am the policy maker? BN or PH sama saja..

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Lol..why Don't you try being in a housemanship for two years?? That is the test la!...You think housemanship is easy ka?.Many dropped out and even got suicide.
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Nothing is easy in this world.... If you are good and passionate about your job, then you can manage. But if you are not capable then please leave the system even before you start killing people unintentionally.
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Cannot.... programmer is not registered medical practitioner, not responsible for outcome of software....
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Bumping this thread up...so people can see the context of healthcare during a crisis situation

There are some critical things AI could not replace
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QUOTE(wadepak @ Dec 23 2019, 10:41 PM)
Bodo gov.

If want ro mansuh then mansuh also existing la.

The allowance name kritikal. Now no more kritikal.

So cancel all la.

Not fair la some got and some dont have.

Bodo punya gov
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Bumping this thread up...so people can see the context of healthcare during a crisis situation

There are some critical things AI could not replace
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Dec 27 2019, 08:54 AM)
4. just give that RM750 back la. can help them pay for H car ok? malu la keje dr tapi balik kampung bawak proton.
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Dec 27 2019, 09:18 AM)
that is the actual reason for removal of critical allowance..the demand is more than supply..15,000 post available but the supply is more than 23,000 (including medical grad who graduated from indon, russia, india)...

with industry 4.0 on the rise, less doctors will be needed as we are going to rely on Artifical Intelligence (AI) for diagnosis , heck even surgery can be performed by robot..Perhaps we need to pay critical allowance to AI laugh.gif

not only doctors, other sectors will also be gradually replaced by AI..
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Just want to bump this thread to show some stupidity mindset really cannot be cured. Deserved to be covid19-ed.
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Should be removed and given only during critical period like now.

 

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