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post Sep 26 2022, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Aug 30 2022, 04:24 PM)
you can get a SG set easily at RRP now, as MS SG also will honor the warranty, only problem is sending it back to SG

no point waiting for official launch, no news and no dates, you might need to wait forever for such official launch here
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thanks.. was just checking out options for consoles... exploring options between PC vs PS5 vs XSX.

am i correct to say MS never launched and sold any XBox in MY? came across one article that said MS not released XBox (old version) due to piracy then. but i'd think that things have changed these days and even PS5... can't mod or play pirated stuff... so, why is MS still punishing MY?

but i guess SG sets is the best way for now. but yeah, warranty is a pain.

saw GH offer over the weekend and they only give 3 mths GH warranty.
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post Sep 26 2022, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Sep 26 2022, 10:20 AM)
It's crazy when you think about it. Some revisions of the Xbox controllers were even made in Malaysia! I had an Xbox Controller Type S that clearly said 'Made in Malaysia'. To be fair though, it's not just Malaysia that Microsoft ignores. All the countries in Southeast Asia, EXCEPT Singapore, don't get Xbox sales or support.
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oh, i didn't know SG is the only SEA country getting Xbox. i guess MY should not feel so bad then.. hahaha... but yeah, it just dun make much sense since they have PC Pass for MY. maybe some stats they have shows MY uses PC for gaming more than consoles.

but i guess maybe coz only console we have is PS and.. to an extent, Switch.
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post Sep 26 2022, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Sep 26 2022, 11:06 AM)
they aren't "punishing" us

it's just business sense that our market is too small to warrant an official release here

during the X360 days, as per my insider news, we "almost" got an official release here in MY, they even have selected ingram micro as the official distributor, but at the end of the day, they felt it aint worth it that time, 3ROD + piracy, lack of interest parties to carry the consoles forced them to scrap the plan, at the end only Courts has some limited release for a very brief period

but for this gen, they did considering bringing it back officially to SEA beside SG, hence the release of PC Game Pass here...

it's just the matter of time for the official release here in MY, but don't ask me when tho... my insider working inside MS MY already long gone tongue.gif
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i guess it would be nice to see XBox support for more countries in SEA. TH, ID and even MY do seems to show potential these days..
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post Sep 26 2022, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Sep 26 2022, 02:53 PM)
We DID have official MS Stores at one point. All the Nokia stores changed to Microsoft stores, selling Windows Phone and Surface products. And Windows Phone was a tiny, tiny portion of the phone market in 2012 - 2015. Yet they still chose to sell Windows Phone in Malaysia. They could have used those stores as Xbox retail stores too.

It's not Sony's fault that they came in early to set up presence in Malaysia, despite rampant piracy during PS1 and PS2 era. Microsoft took too long to act, and people just jumped to Playstation because of lack of support here. And now the gap is just too gigantic to overcome.

I have no bone in this console war, since I have been supporting Xbox and Playstation in every console generation (the main consoles only. I don't play handhelds). But if Xbox is truly serious in competing globally, they need to have more presence, outside of US, Europe and a few countries in Asia only.
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agreed. i'm willing to give XSX a go but that's when I found out it's not officially available. unlike PS5...


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post Oct 17 2022, 10:24 AM

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read an article recently about developers not too happy with MS because they require developers to make games on BOTH series S and X and cannot develop for just one of the consoles.

this lead to developer saying that games on Series X end up not fully utilised coz the games need to also work on Series S.

does it feel like that for you guys that have Series S/X?
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post Oct 17 2022, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(tripleB @ Oct 17 2022, 10:44 AM)
Not really. I keep seeing these kinds of comments where the lowest common denominator is holding back games development. In actuality, games these days have different profiles for different systems. Just like PC gaming has been for the longest time, if you have a base system, the game will not be able to use higher resolutions, ray tracing, high quality post processing effects etc. Playing a game on Series X will get you better visuals and performance than a Series S, sure. But the Series X isn't being held back by the Series S.

From a developer perspective I get why it's a huge bother, since they need to worry about the Series S too. On PS5, they just need to make one version of the game, and it will work the same on disc or discless systems. On Xbox, they need to make sure the game can run on a Series S too, so they need to make a different profile for it. The Series X version might support 4K resolution and ray tracing mode, while the Series S version lacks ray tracing, and can only go up to 1440p resolution. Again, this is how PC gaming has been for the longest time, and we've been ok with it all this while.

Can you imagine for example, if PCs need to have a specific configuration for it to work? Let's say for example, a theoretical Crysis 4 REQUIRES a Ryzen 9 5900X, 64GB RAM, and a Geforce RTX 3080. No other configurations will work. Sound crazy?
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thanks for the reply. i'm still exploring my options and my preference is towards XBox Series X. can even wait a bit longer since there's talks of MS officially coming to more countries and also the supposedly "hardware revision".

so, it was a bit puzzling when I read that article, so thought to check with those who already own and see what you guys think. but yeah, what you said is kinda true. there should be someway to reduce or increase game settings automatically depending on the device (S vs X), else, no point for MS to be selling X.

here's another that I read but it does makes more sense. this is regarding PS5 vs XSX in general. article said that both are great and XSX started off better coz of higher performance (on paper) and the fact they had the storage expansion that seemed cheaper. storage now cheaper and so, XSX supposedly losing it's advantage. when we look at PS5, specifically the controller, seems that's the key. article say it's powerful and can be they key to PS dominance yet again, provided developers start to fully max the features in the controller (those resistance on trigger, rumble, etc). XBox controllers seems to be the same from start till now.
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post Oct 17 2022, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Oct 17 2022, 11:28 AM)
A lot of those so called comparison articles online are usually biased to one side, very rarely they're neutral

No doubt PS5's storage expansion and DualSense controller has the upper hand now, it's cheaper to upgrade PS5's storage compared to XsX

PS5 Dualsense is mostly fun at first, but some will turn it off after a while since either it hinders their gaming performance, or your hand can only take so much vibration, also the battery life sucks

other than this 2, it depends on what games you're planning to play, in term of performance both are similar, I've stop watching Digital Foundry's in depth analysis of game comparison on both consoles, you won't feel the difference unless you're playing both of them side by side

for backward compatibility XsX are miles ahead, including enhancement of the older games

newer exclusive games?  both the same 

just get whichever your pocket is most comfortable with, and with the games you wanna play
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you guys are great with the replies and sharing. i am still keeping my options open since no hurry to get one yet. hopefully when i do get, official MS MY set available.

for the exclusive games, i notice a lot more on PS. i know Xbox and MS got games like Halo and COD (once Activision Blizzard) take over is completed, but somehow, just feel like PS still got more JP exclusive games... those JRPG, etc... i could be wrong. just gut feel.

in any case, when the time comes, i'll be doing checks to see games i wanna play is on which platform

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post Oct 20 2022, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(mydragoon @ Oct 17 2022, 10:24 AM)
read an article recently about developers not too happy with MS because they require developers to make games on BOTH series S and X and cannot develop for just one of the consoles.

this lead to developer saying that games on Series X end up not fully utilised coz the games need to also work on Series S.

does it feel like that for you guys that have Series S/X?
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QUOTE(tripleB @ Oct 17 2022, 10:44 AM)
Not really. I keep seeing these kinds of comments where the lowest common denominator is holding back games development. In actuality, games these days have different profiles for different systems. Just like PC gaming has been for the longest time, if you have a base system, the game will not be able to use higher resolutions, ray tracing, high quality post processing effects etc. Playing a game on Series X will get you better visuals and performance than a Series S, sure. But the Series X isn't being held back by the Series S.

From a developer perspective I get why it's a huge bother, since they need to worry about the Series S too. On PS5, they just need to make one version of the game, and it will work the same on disc or discless systems. On Xbox, they need to make sure the game can run on a Series S too, so they need to make a different profile for it. The Series X version might support 4K resolution and ray tracing mode, while the Series S version lacks ray tracing, and can only go up to 1440p resolution. Again, this is how PC gaming has been for the longest time, and we've been ok with it all this while.

Can you imagine for example, if PCs need to have a specific configuration for it to work? Let's say for example, a theoretical Crysis 4 REQUIRES a Ryzen 9 5900X, 64GB RAM, and a Geforce RTX 3080. No other configurations will work. Sound crazy?
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this topic is getting traction recently..

here's another similar article:
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/de...-compatibility/
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post Oct 21 2022, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Oct 21 2022, 10:26 AM)
LOOOOOL read the article.

Dude who says this is a VFX artist.  Who worked on "I am Fish" and who's company publishes - surgeon simulator.  Certainly not graphic powerhouses as those could probably run on mobiles.  I would take what he says with a pinch of salt.

You only need to look at the results of the games and how well they do for the price point in every digital foundry review.  Decent developers are able to craft worthwhile user experiences at whatever the scale.  And if one day the hardware cannot hack it, the series S can easily be optimised for game streaming when the cloud infrastructure becomes more mature.

edit: actually should have replied to the comment above yours
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agreed it's better to take the article with pinch of salt. I'm sharing coz figured better to get feedback from owners. I'm still not one and I'm still keeping my options option.

Gotham Knights.. will just be locked at 30fps.. rumoured to also be due to XSS..

XSS had slightly less powerful hardware, unlike PS5 where digital version is the same, just without disc player.

if all games can run on XSS, makes it hard case selling XSX..?

honestly since games are all backwards compatible, why did MS come up with Series S anyway? can just sell previous gen hardware, or just do what Sony is rumoured to be doing, just go with "external" disc drive.


 

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