I am trying to get a new car for year 2020. Had chosen either Macan 2.0 or Velar 2.0. Need some opinion from the sifu. Below is my research.

Macan 2.0
VW engine
New model should be coming out in year 2021
Safety issue (my friend experience brake suddenly not working on highway but only happen once in 4 years of ownership). Workshop also cant check y.
Good accelerant
Good handling
Good performance
Is "Porsche"

Velar 2.0
New design
Bigger space
More gadget in the car.

I only had a budget of RM500k to RM600k. Looking for SUV as a family car. Main concern on safety and maintenance as I normal drive for more than 15 years.

Putting the spec aside, for me Macan has that "wow" effect, it's just overall a better looking car.

maintenance and 15 years of ownership i would suggest Landcruiser.

I've owned neither but from reliable sources I can find online, 15 years is an overestimation these both cars would last.

whatever car for usage of more than 5 years, buy Toyota, you won't be wrong

I would go for velar if i were you. Macan looks so boring......

I was thinking the same. I have seen a 7 year old Cayenne that has cracked plastic engine parts that trigger fault codes. I don't think most cars with plastic engine parts are going to be reliable past 5-7 years at all. Given that planned obsolescence is the thing these days.

This post has been edited by netmatrix: Dec 9 2019, 08:33 PM

Porsche might be more sportier and nicer to drive but I'd pine for the Velar. Obviously don't get the base spec with the tiny rims! Anyways, if you're looking to stand out, it's the Velar.

Velar suits you well.

they will last 1/3 of 15 years

None of them will last 15 years. SUV is not a biword for safety, infact SUVs are less save than sedans, from weight/center of grav and even handling. It really depends on what your use case for your vehicle is. If you dont have more than 5 people to stuff into a car, you're not going to get any benefit over a sedan not even when it comes to ride quality, not to mention cornering is worse, fuel economy is worse in comparison too.

Go do another research, Put your use case down.

Most cars made new do not even last 5 years. The german brands start to have trouble at 5 years of age. The indian ones like jaguar and land rover dont even last that long before starting to have problems. Basically right after your warranty is over you're going to start regretting your german car as thats when they fall apart, tip top engineering from them to plan obsolescence. If you're going for a car that will last you 15 years, you're looking at toyota camry, honda accord, volvo XC90 (might not but will still last a lot longer than the german brands). Even mazda also has high end SUVs that are really good and reliable.

besides volvo is safer too. The XC90 is sporty and safe, and will definitely last longer than the german brands. porsche is just an overglorified VW. Infact subaru is similar to porsche in the past mechanically, utilising the boxer and AWD, only difference is just engine placement, subaru infront, porsche used to be at the rear. Now porsche uses VW engines and regular 2WD drivetrains. No longer the vehicle it used to be.

This post has been edited by System Error Message: Dec 10 2019, 06:03 PM

Thanks bro. Had a Volvo S40 before and after 12 years of driving, the maintenance and repairs cost me approx RM130k (almost 80% of the car cost). My Volvo only service is authorise Volvo service center. There I totally lost confident in Volvo.

Another things I like on Porsche is they do offer extended warranty for a small value. Total warranty can goes to 9 years.

Range Rover is famous for it safety.

range rover isnt safer. And im comparing cars for 2020. You should see the euro NCAP data for new car.

Im not keen on volvo either, but why spend all that money on an overglorified VW when you can get 2 volvos, thats a cost saving there when you include maintenance.

I cant believe people think porsche is safe or SUVs are safer, this really just isnt the case. Always pick the best car for your use case.

Also dealer repairs and maintenance are rip offs. Once the warranty is over, find yourself a trustworthy independent mechanic, plenty on this forum can advice you where depending on where you are and what car.

For instance, you can use VW parts in porsche, but the dealer will not let you do that. Porsche may have 9 year warranty but it does not include wear and tear, and the germans service manual is pricey including parts replacements at specific intervals which is not covered by warranty (as its considered regular servicing, not a fault, normal wear and tear).

I mean i could include other cars that are better that beat VW, for example the hyundai i30N beats the VW golf while costing less, its faster, better parts like better brakes, tyres, available in SUV/sedan, manual/automatic. You could consider a high end subaru which includes new safety tech that comes standard with their cars, and is the closest brand that offers a mechanical setup close to what porshe had, and makes good SUVs. There are many other choices that will last you 15 years that for your budget rather than trying to show off, you can get something far far better and still have a lot of spare change for maybe your kid's future investment?

If you are considering light offroading, subaru SUVs are a good choice, i mean why else would you get one other than for a large family? When i see someone owning a SUV usually it means either they have a large family or have an offroader, so i dont see how owning a porsche SUV is something of an image as if you really want to show off, go with italian. Choosing a car brand today isnt like it was, mostly its just having the car type you like with a badge of your choice stamped on rather than before where they all differed hugely in what they offered, from mechanical to luxury. Now every car brand has their luxury segment that not even a merc could seperate themselves from, and mechanically, you can find BMWs with 20 gear autos and crazy designs that beats todays porsches, heavy duty CVTs on subarus, the toyota TRD focused cars having a comeback just like how mercedes has AMG line cars. Porsche has been left in the dust. Ford makes big luxurious heavy duty trucks.

for a family SUV, the luxury brands dont design it as well as the pedestrian brands. Toyota introduced the minivan, which ended up beating the ford wagon.

This post has been edited by System Error Message: Dec 10 2019, 09:45 PM

Toyota Prado 4.0 better value.

Buy the car that you like, don't listen to all the theories especially from someone have never own a car himself.

You use your hard earn money to reward yourself, why care so much? I like my BMW so much, although it's a second hand and maintenance is higher than jap cars, but I never regret, because the driving experience and how ppl look at me are difference...

My next car gonna be German car again, this is how I motivate myself to earn harder in order to maintain it.

Porsches tend to look dated once a new model comes out.

Land Rovers and Range Rovers less so as the design language tends to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

Powertrain I would say the Porsche has the better of the 2. Jaguar Ingenium engines aren't anything to shout about. The ZF gearbox on JLR products is a major disappointment when you compare it against how BMW managed to tune it to be so smooth yet responsive yet in a JLR product it is laggy.

I doubt either of these would last 15 years in this climate.

even for german cars i have my recommendations too. Its not about whether you've owned a car because there are always more brands, cars, newer ones coming out all the time.

If you have the money and the car fits your needs, by all means by a german car. For the OP case it doesnt. Porsche do not make SUVs suitable for large families, unlike other manufacturers that give you more options on flexibility, practicality and luxury, and some even offer performance too. The problem with porsche today is that maintenance and reliability wasnt what it used to be. Before VW bought over porsche, they were performant, reliable and agile cars thanks to their mechanical setup. No question about safety but for OP use case, not going to be great and lifespan not great either.
Ofcourse there are other german SUVs like the BMW X series, and having been in one and driven around in extended family X-series in germany, not good since the reliability is poor in that it entered limp mode a few times despite being less than 2 years old. A SUV made in germany, designed by germans has a lot of trouble within a couple years of ownership from new, and this trend happens globally too. So not suitable for the 15 year reliability.


Malaysian weather only affects reliability in that you have to change the oil and filters more often because of our increased humidity, otherwise thats not a problem. We are only 10-20 degrees C hotter than europe between autumn and summer, thats a 10% max increase in cooling effort if you read about combustion temperatures, oil temperatures and which temperature ranges including which ones the engines hate that promote carbon build up.

the OP wants a car no fuss for family, not to show off. Porsche used to known for being luxurious, performant, safe (except for the widowmaker) and reliable, who wouldnt want that for their family? he/she is willing to spend a lot of money on a good SUV that is best suited. I recommended subaru because i know subaru has a lot of safety and is the closest to what porsche used to be mechanically, they have upgraded their reliability and make decent quality SUVs for the interior and they have upgraded their quality for newer models. As i mentioned elsewhere its the industry direction, subaru has made various active safety tech standard on their vehicles so you get the same safety even on the poverty pack. Older subarus are known to last for years only they dont do well on mileage reliability, but that has changed with their new headgaskets and changes in their design.

Other than subaru plenty of other cars mentioned especially if you want a 15 year fuss free ownership. German care brands will not make it to 15 years with easy maintenance, even more so for the indian ones (jaguar and rover). American ones not so much except for ford, but ford is focusing on SUVs and trucks though their SUV line tends to lack luxury for their interior (their luxury variation if i remember doesnt match up well to what you get compared to others) and a truck is out of the question.

KIA and hyundai have very good SUVs for families, they do not have as good reliability as subaru, honda (mechanically), toyota but they do have decent customer service i hope (ell at least they do in the 1st orld) so its not a fuss free ownership, and i do know people who've owned kia cars that are more than 10 years old and more than 100Mm in mileage but all the parts still stock, so i would consider them too.

So its your decision to make what car you wanna buy, all im doing is suggesting what would be right for your use case. You probably dont have a family so you might not know what the OP feels. I dont have kids either but i can empathise with the OP. If you wanted a car that would last for 15 years without issues would you get a german car knowing full well that they will break after 5 years or start to run into major issues after that? You might also consider preventative maintenance, but have you also considered the cost for maintenance considering it one of the OP's criteria?

the only luxury alternative i know to indian,german and american for SUV is volvo, and OP did not have good experience for them, not to mention im not keen on them either. Better than german brands in lifespan but not near as needed by OP. Plenty of shiny american SUVs loaded with tech not sold here because of size, but they also do not last as long as needed.

Honda's build quality isnt as good as their mechanical quality. Before you question how i know something, why not read up on peoples experiences, what the mechanics and engineers say as well, and totally ditch media. I literally go through peoples experiences If you import a car from japan, its going to have better quality and last longer.

What about you, what do you want in a car?

This post has been edited by System Error Message: Dec 11 2019, 01:15 AM

instead of asking . just go to the showroom and test drive

both car won't last 15 yrs.

I heard Porsche Malaysia going to increase their prices for 'add-on' features by next year, currently still can get RM 5++k after 'add-on' for 2.0T, probably will be RM 6++k for the same features by next year.