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 is it recommended to get high loan margin, for investment property

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dwRK
post Dec 4 2019, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(timidandslow @ Dec 4 2019, 05:35 PM)
currently i have rm200k sitting in FD. i am planning to buy property which costs rm400k for investment.
my question is , should i take a 50% loan and use my FD to pay 50% downpayment?
or , take a 90% flexi loan then move my FD into the mortgage to reduce the interest payable ?
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90% loan, $ into epf or anything giving more than 5-6% returns
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post Dec 4 2019, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(timidandslow @ Dec 4 2019, 09:52 PM)
1. mortgage currently is around BR - 2.2 which is around 4% right ? but its reducing balance . and there are additional costs involved with mortgage such as legal fees and MRTA which depends on how much  I borrow. while FD best rates are currently around 4% .

2. epf has a annual contribution cap of 50k. plus epf is stuck until age 55.
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correct...

the real question is do you foresee needing 200k in the near future? do you have emergency funds...this decide 90% loan or not

dumping into the house and smaller loan, about the same as dumping into epf wrt the 200k...gone from your pocket for a long time. you work your maths and see which is better lor

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post Dec 4 2019, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 4 2019, 10:04 PM)
do you need to spend on renovation and legal fees?
your 200k in FD if used to pay those,...how much will balance?

btw, regarding the EPF thing.....read before, "use proxy" such as parents for self contribution thus no need to wait till 55 yrs old
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plus if epf more than a mil or something can take out anytime

also can take out for renovations, upgrades...
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post Dec 5 2019, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 4 2019, 10:48 PM)
I can't speak for everyone, as each person's financial standing will obviously be different, but here's how we did it for our biggest property purchase (a $6,500,000 freehold landed house nestled within District 10, in Singapore). This is our background:

1. Cash/FD holdings (at that point - this was about nearly 8 or 9 years ago): $3,000,000 - this was money that we had set aside for the purchase of this particular property. We did have other sources of funds, but those were in less liquid instruments (mainly bonds and blue chips)
2. The developer was willing to absorb the buyer's stamp duty (3%) & also to offer us a "renovation rebate" of nearly $150,000
3. FD rates were a measly 1.5% (that was back in the days of Quantitative Easing & furious greenback printing by the US Fed Reserve)
4. Mortgage loans rates were even more laughable, at 0.8% (floating) - lock in period 2 or 3 years

The "smart" thing to do, so all our relatives told us (and if I had known about lowyat.net back then, I reckon quite a few of the gurus here would have said the same thing) was to keep the cash in the FD, generating 1.5% interest, while maximizing the loan tenure & amount (back then, there was no TDSR (total debt service ratio) and we could borrow up to 90%). As a Malaysian PR, I cannot legally buy a landed freehold property in Singapore, but since my wife had taken up Singapore citizenship, she could - and I could act as a co-guarantor for the loan. This way, we were already making money, by earning the 1.5%, while the bank was charging us at 0.8%.

On closer scrutiny, a few issues cropped up:

1. 1.5% per annum is on $3,000,000
2. 0.8% per annum translates to a higher "effective interest rate" because of amortization, which front loads quite a bit of interest repayments in the INITIAL repayment periods, before the capital gets repaid
3. And the 0.8% is on a $5,850,000 total loan
4. Edited to add this important point: I didn’t think I was financially savvy to risk the $3,000,000 on instruments with higher returns, seeing how the money was initially earmarked for the house purchase

Immediately, that should tell you that I'd end up paying far more interest than I'd be making interest.

So, thanks but no thanks, we bit the bullet and used our $3,000,000 to offset the purchase price, thus taking out a loan on the $3,150,000 over 20 years. We then continued to pare down the principal with capital pre-payments (this was a floating rate), and paid off the entire mortgage the minute we were able to do so without penalty (If I'm not mistaken, we managed to clear the whole lot within 5 or 6 years).

For those who are not acquainted with our backgrounds, I'll take this opportunity to rehash: I'm a medical specialist in private practice (have been for the past 15 years) and my wife is a chartered accountant who used to work in a senior role for one of the big firms, so financially, we were upper middle class. Again, I reiterate, what we did may not be applicable to everyone - but in my humble opinion, the principles of calculation can be universally applied.

I can see parallels in TS' question, compared to our own situation, and it is in the interest of sharing that I post the above. Good luck with your decision, however and whichever you decide.
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mortgage calculator, 6 mil loan, 0.8% rate, 20 years... interest paid = 495k
interest calculator, 3 mil principal, 1.5% rate, compounded yearly, 20 years... interest earned = 1.04m

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3 mil loan, 0.8% rate, 20 yrs...interest paid = 247k

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post Dec 5 2019, 05:08 PM

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just realize ts wanna buy for investment/flipping... then is no brainer, maximum loan

roi is profit over capital used...

200k you can down payment a few more liao...hahahaha
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post Dec 5 2019, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Dec 5 2019, 05:01 PM)
wait what??? the 1.25%FD is tied to the 0.8%loan??

Fren, your situation is very unique and confuse the heck out of me... and as you can see... it confuse other ppl too..

I'm not sure it is helpful to TS here
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package deal lah...
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post Dec 5 2019, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Dec 5 2019, 05:05 PM)
Oh dear. I thought I was being helpful. But it’s hard to explain the finer details on a forum. In any case, the 1.25% was given as an incentive for me to take up the max loan, and to keep the $3,000,000 with them for a year. It is NOT a rolling FD and the interest rate would not be repeated on due date (it’ll revert to the usual existing FD rate in Singapore about 8 or 9 years ago, which was 0.25%).

I apologize if I confused people - I thought it was instantly obvious that the banks would NEVER pay more in FD rates than they could make from lending rates.
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yeah was a bit confusing also...hahaha...

but epf dividend >> loan rate >> fd rate...

and if savvy enough on investing, you can get 10-15% returns


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post Dec 5 2019, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(timidandslow @ Dec 5 2019, 05:13 PM)
true, i can leverage my liquid funds to invest in 3 properties.
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then managing cash flow is your priority....overstretched == bank lelong

 

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