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SUSNachiino Etamay
post Dec 1 2019, 11:36 AM, updated 6y ago

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Interview: Toyota’s sales and marketing chief says there’s no demand for EVs - Electrek

https://ww.electrek.co/2019/11/25/interview...demand-for-evs/

dead company before 2025.

Gonna join the likes of kodak, Chokia, Enron, GM
RIP

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post Dec 1 2019, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Dec 1 2019, 11:37 AM)
Is this website even reliable?
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you can google the interview word by word.

Anyways, yeah.

Remember kodak, Chokia, Enron, Lehman Brothers, Blackberry?

soon Ford, Toyota, gonna join this list. gonna be fun
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Dec 1 2019, 11:48 AM)
the website advocate EV, they are so pro EV but not concern about the slavery of children workers for cobalt.
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ice vehicles use cobalt too. in order to take away sulfur from the oil cracking process, they use, surprise surprise, cobalt

dont blame cobalt for the blame of being anti-EV. cobalt is innocent, its just a metal and an element in earth. its up to companies to use cobalt responsibly.

And most EV manufacturers now are reducing cobalt content in their batteries , and finding new sources.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Nov 28 2019, 03:46 PM)
As i grow older, i prefer to work and live right outside the city to avoid unavoidable jam when live in the city.
And get salary similar to the city.
And when i need to go to the city, i'll go on the weekend.
I find peace this way.
When i was 20's, i use to stay in PJ and drive to KL. It was horrible 1 half hours in jam (one way)

e.g. of places outside the city, but drivable to the city, and city pay
setia alam, putrajaya, cyberjaya, klang, shah alam

Share your experience.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Dec 1 2019, 11:54 AM)
not enough demand yet for them to take any action.
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sure. every ice car in the luxury segment now are getting massacred in europe and US, because EV's offers "sports-like" features at "super low prices.

things are going to change soon. Belgium already joined Norway in making anti-ice legislations. china going to be zero ice by 2025. Once they ramp up their thresholds, second hand ice cars will flood the market but no one wants them, ultimately destroying the second hand market

its just about time. 2020-2025 will be super fun. we gonna see maybe tesla, nissan, volkswaggen, and maybe a handful of china companies survive. and the car industry will parmanently be off the hands of the japanese.

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post Dec 1 2019, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Dec 1 2019, 12:06 PM)
until today no car company has advocate that on responsible mining of cobalt in their supply chain nor have thorough process of disposal or recycle used batteries. EV car market is still far.
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google

first hit

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/a...rals-report.pdf

this is why google should be thought in primary school

sigh.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2019, 12:28 PM)
2 - 3% of total car sales are made up of EV.

Toyota alone sold around 10mil cars a year for 2018, the whole EV industry shipped 5mil.

Btw full EV car is easier to make then traditional fuel powertrain. There are currently close to 500 full EV models with completed prototype. But due to low margin, intensely fierce competition and shortages in batteries supply, most company do not want to go that route for now, unless there is subsidies from Gov such as in China.

Even Dyson can make EV,so do you think its so hard for Toyota to make one ? Its whether is commercially viable to market it.
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dyson ev is dead.

and go look at every single large japanese/US/EU manufacturer history of EV

= golf cart on wheels


Only nissan, tesla, maybe daimler and volkswaggen as well as a handful of chinese companies have a chance.

Every Ev company with a compelling product will sell every car they produce

every ice company will live on thin strings, until a point their next product fails, then its gg.

their asset, machines, and factories: worth garbage because no ev companies want ice factories

their receivables and loans : worth garbage because colloteralised by ice cars

when all your assets are garbage + heavily indebted, effectively every ice company now is running on near zero asset, infinite gearing.

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post Dec 1 2019, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2019, 12:50 PM)
Are you a Tesla stock holder ? I've seen many of those holding TSLA confusing the company with the industry.

Liked you said, Dyson EV is dead. Why is it dead ? Cause they don't have the tech ? No it's cause the industry no need to 2 Tesla, its too small of a segment for two Tesla to compete and be profitable.

Current market share for EV is too small. You are either upper segment of slick electric vehicle, or large commercial vehicles like buses if you want to be profitable in Electric.

In the middle, it its still dominated by the likes of Toyota, Volkswagen, GM etc. If you are a Tesla stock holder, you should be happy the mid segment would not want to compete with you.

Just image If BMW go full EV, the worse off would be TESLA. Cause BWM is taking a big addressable market and shrink it down to compete head to head with Tesla on a niche market, causing a blood bath between those two to secure sales from a small addressable market.
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i personally want more people to make EV's.

chinese have lots of companies, but most of them majority of them make less than 1,000

In order to move the needle of transition, we need EVERYONE TO GO EV's. in the best case scenario, if all capital moves away from ice towards EV's, we can have a zero ice environment by the start of 2040.

To me, any manufacturer who doesnt go EV, deserves to be slaughtered. im a big fan of volkswagen and some chinese companies who have the guts to make the transition. it may be the thing that save them.

If not, their clock is already ticking. Every ICE sports car is inferior to the mid range EV's in terms of performance, and whoefully inferior in safety. its basically a bomb on wheels, i fail to understand why we put soo many people lives at risk by putting them on a bomb on wheels.

shit man, we need everyone to build EV's

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