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post Nov 30 2019, 06:02 PM, updated 9 months ago

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My myvi advance,
2week no start, the car won't crank at all.
Last time the battery last 3 month only.
This time around 6 month
Niko battery,
But this problem start after I install Kenwood ICE
Is it possible ICE cause battery drain?
Also why the car won't crank?
Even immobilize also no power, need use key to open door..
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post Nov 30 2019, 06:09 PM

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Maybe alternator is failing? Have you tried recharging the battery? Car battery chargers are relatively cheap now. I remember I bought one (still have it) for less than 200.

If you can recharge the battery, then it's mostnlikely your car is not giving enough power to charge it, or (like you said), something is over draining it.
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post Nov 30 2019, 06:30 PM

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Not yet try recharge as dont have charger,
But is it possible for battery to lost the charge in 2 week?
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post Nov 30 2019, 07:35 PM

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Check alternator?

There is a thread on alternator
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post Nov 30 2019, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 06:30 PM)
Not yet try recharge as dont have charger,
But is it possible for battery to lost the charge in 2 week?
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Could be parasitic drain from some electronic stuff. But hard to say. Some people report their car battery could not hold charge for more than a week. Probably because the battery aged. The 1st gen Myvi i am driving now had its maintenance free battery replaced just last month. The age? 1 year 2 months. dry.gif Battery cost RM170.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 06:30 PM)
Not yet try recharge as dont have charger,
But is it possible for battery to lost the charge in 2 week?
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yes, 2 week is a long time for a car
my car after left 1.5 week, will have some difficulty to start...like struggling but still can start

and don't replace your battery, it's too new..try charging it
if u don't have charger, take the battery out...take it to some bicycle shop around town, they should be able to charge it...RM5+- only
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post Nov 30 2019, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 06:02 PM)
My myvi advance,
2week no start, the car won't crank at all.
Last time the battery last 3 month only.
This time around 6 month
Niko battery,
But this problem start after I install Kenwood ICE
Is it possible ICE cause battery drain?
Also why the car won't crank?
Even immobilize also no power, need use key to open door..
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Why didn't you drive your car for the last 2 weeks ?

Was the previous battery from Niko as well ?

Was there a battery test done to as ascertain what is actually causing the problem ?

Would you happen to have GPS system installed together in your Kenwood ICE ?
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post Nov 30 2019, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 06:30 PM)
Not yet try recharge as dont have charger,
But is it possible for battery to lost the charge in 2 week?
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It is possible for a battery to lose its charge and it doesn't even need 2 weeks !
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post Nov 30 2019, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 06:02 PM)
My myvi advance,
2week no start, the car won't crank at all.
Last time the battery last 3 month only.
This time around 6 month
Niko battery,
But this problem start after I install Kenwood ICE
Is it possible ICE cause battery drain?
Also why the car won't crank?
Even immobilize also no power, need use key to open door..
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u might want to read this.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive...article4490484/
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post Nov 30 2019, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Nov 30 2019, 11:01 PM)
Nice reading 👍, however those with expensive rides ought to think twice before pulling out the negative ! 😊
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post Nov 30 2019, 11:29 PM

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Why didn't you drive your car for the last 2 weeks ?
- i drive other myvi, this myvi at my new house

Was the previous battery from Niko as well ?
- yes, previous battery from niko also, already say to workshop want other good battery, i can pay, they still push this to me...

Was there a battery test done to as ascertain what is actually causing the problem ?
- not yet done any test, planning send to perodua to ask them check, see got mechanical problem or not, not sure is alternator or not cos first time it happen, i send to 3rd party workshop check, it say not alternator problem...

Would you happen to have GPS system installed together in your Kenwood ICE ?
- nope, i not get the GPS add on, only plain kenwood ICE
- i even unplug the dash cam fear it may drain the battery when the car off.

because last time, i can left the car no start for almost 1 month the battery still ok can start the engine, but after use this niko and install kenwood ICE, the battery start dead in few month...
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post Dec 1 2019, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Nov 30 2019, 11:29 PM)
Why didn't you drive your car for the last 2 weeks ?
- i drive other myvi, this myvi at my new house

Was the previous battery from Niko as well ?
- yes, previous battery from niko also, already say to workshop want other good battery, i can pay, they still push this to me...

Was there a battery test done to as ascertain what is actually causing the problem ?
- not yet done any test, planning send to perodua to ask them check, see got mechanical problem or not, not sure is alternator or not cos first time it happen, i send to 3rd party workshop check, it say not alternator problem...

Would you happen to have GPS system installed together in your Kenwood ICE ?
- nope, i not get the GPS add on, only plain kenwood ICE
- i even unplug the dash cam fear it may drain the battery when the car off.

because last time, i can left the car no start for almost 1 month the battery still ok can start the engine, but after use this niko and install kenwood ICE, the battery start dead in few month...
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Personally, I would recommend that you alternate the usage of both cars. However if you plan to leave a vehicle unused for more than 3~4 days, it is best to remove the negative terminal.

If you are in Melaka Tengah district, I would love to do a Battery Test on this Niko together testing the car's electrical charging systems for you for free, cause I am interested to know more about Niko. 😊

Was that a Panasonic battery, that could start the car even without using the car for about a month ?

I am curious which year was your Myvi Advanced version produced in ? Thanks.

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post Dec 1 2019, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Nov 30 2019, 07:37 PM)
Could be parasitic drain from some electronic stuff. But hard to say. Some people report their car battery could not hold charge for more than a week. Probably because the battery aged. The 1st gen Myvi i am driving now had its maintenance free battery replaced just last month. The age? 1 year 2 months.  dry.gif Battery cost RM170.
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Bro.,

Would you pay for Rm240 to have a proper MF properly prep up for you, which I think should last more than 19 months, thats your break-even mark cause anything more than that is savings already. 😊

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post Dec 1 2019, 06:49 AM

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i was at sarawak,
original battery perodua provide when i get the car
myvi year 2016 if correct, the last gen 2 perodua produce...
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post Dec 1 2019, 07:18 AM

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Also the car brake warning light will no go away if the Kenwood ICE not fully boot up...

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post Dec 1 2019, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Dec 1 2019, 03:29 AM)
Bro.,

Would you pay for Rm240 to have a proper MF properly prep up for you, which I think should last more than 19 months, thats your break-even mark cause anything more than that is savings already. 😊
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Well money already spent there. Its YUASA GS series that was changed btw. Before that it was another brand that i forgot. Oh well.... sweat.gif
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 06:49 AM)
i was at sarawak,
original battery perodua provide when i get the car
myvi year 2016 if correct, the last gen 2 perodua produce...
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Most likely it was a Panasonic battery.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 07:18 AM)
Also the car brake warning light will no go away if the Kenwood ICE not fully boot up...
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This itself could also be the cause.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM

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My relative help me to jump start also cant,
So confirm is dead battery....
Also he mention that battery is used battery....
Also the battery water boiling...
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post Dec 1 2019, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 07:18 AM)
Also the car brake warning light will no go away if the Kenwood ICE not fully boot up...
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OMG!! Definitely is your ICE wiring got problem causing parasitic drain on your battery.
There are tons of videos on YouTube showing how to test for parasitic drain if you have a multimeter.
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post Dec 1 2019, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM)
My relative help me to jump start also cant,
So confirm is dead battery....
Also he mention that battery is used battery....
Also the battery water boiling...
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We are in dangerous teritory now because for another to claim that the replacement battery was not new but a used battery is fast becoming like a sitting duck. I think that is best avoided cause only you would know for sure what happened when you claimed for warranty.

I remember when I checked on my friend's aunt's battery. It couldn't crank nor could it be jump started and my battery tester couldn't even power up. So what we did was left the jumpers connected for the initial charge on the dead battery. After 15~20 minutes, we swapped out the batteries and the aunt's car roared to life. The presumed "dead battery", amazingly also managed to start my friend's car, immediately the car was taken for a spin to put more juice into the battery. Later we swapped back out the batteries and the resurrected battery managed to start the aunt's car and the battery tester now showed a reading of 250 CCA. Of course my friend's family were happy that they need not fork out for another battery that day, but I am not too sure how long would that resurrected battery last. However we are keeping a close eye on that battery for now.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Dec 1 2019, 09:38 AM)
Well money already spent there. Its YUASA GS series that was changed btw. Before that it was another brand that i forgot. Oh well.... sweat.gif
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No worries, mate. If you need assistance before the battery dies, just inform me because time is needed to prep up a new battery. Hopefully your car is light in colour and is parked in the car porch.
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post Dec 1 2019, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 07:18 AM)
Also the car brake warning light will no go away if the Kenwood ICE not fully boot up...
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interesting. usually when u swap ICE, the installer would just tap the existing wire loom for the radio or use harness converter. i cant think of any scenario that can make this happens laugh.gif

actually it is very easy to detect parasitic draw. just need ammeter/multimeter wit amp setting
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM)
My relative help me to jump start also cant,
So confirm is dead battery....
Also he mention that battery is used battery....
Also the battery water boiling...
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wah... boiling? jumping from wat car?
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:59 PM

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he using jumper battery,
when connect the jumper, car can start,
but after disconnect and off the the car,
cant start anymore,
i let the car to on for a while,
first time can start, second cant start already....
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 11:59 PM)
he using jumper battery,
when connect the jumper, car can start,
but after disconnect and off the the car,
cant start anymore,
i let the car to on for a while,
first time can start, second cant start already....
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Where are you located ?
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post Dec 2 2019, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2019, 11:59 PM)
he using jumper battery,
when connect the jumper, car can start,
but after disconnect and off the the car,
cant start anymore,
i let the car to on for a while,
first time can start, second cant start already....
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Aiyo, you can't charge a dead battery by just letting your engine run for few minutes. Car battery needs hours to recharge. Also you might kill your alternator because this put a lot of stress on it.

You have to charge it at a workshop and fix your ICE wiring.
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post Dec 3 2019, 07:03 AM

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I know battery need few hour to charge,
For now I just change to new battery,
And going to make appointment with service center to help check the wiring.....
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 3 2019, 07:03 AM)
I know battery need few hour to charge,
For now I just change to new battery,
And going to make appointment with service center to help check the wiring.....
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I don't think SC knows how to check the wiring. Especially when you have added stuffs on it. I am pretty sure they will blame it on the modding you did.
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post Dec 3 2019, 12:28 PM

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I not going to blame service center, just want then help to check the wiring....if they can help la...
I know the blame is on me since the ICE is third party...
Who know the installer last time forgot to connect 1 ~ 2 wire....
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 3 2019, 12:28 PM)
I not going to blame service center, just want then help to check the wiring....if they can help la...
I know the blame is on me since the ICE is third party...
Who know the installer last time forgot to connect 1 ~ 2 wire....
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I do not think it is now whether they (SC) can help, but rather if they are allowed to do so, without being reprimanded by HQ. It is now a question of liability actually. Hopefully your problem is resolved and good luck.



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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Dec 3 2019, 05:58 PM)
I do not think it is now whether they (SC) can help, but rather if they are allowed to do so, without being reprimanded by HQ. It is now a question of liability actually. Hopefully your problem is resolved and good luck.
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Yes, that's what I am trying to say too. SC normal technician don't have the skill. If you want them to help, not only you need to pay for it, you will have to also schedule time with their sifu level tech which will come from HQ and so on. Then they will take like weeks to find the problem and so on. It won't be cheap and it won't be fast.
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Aiks....
Then maybe I need go find third party workshop to help check lol.....

 

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