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 SGD 3000 vs RM 5000 SALARY, who win?

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cloudwan0
post Nov 27 2019, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 27 2019, 09:57 AM)
so RM5000 has the equivalent purchasing power as SGD3750.
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post Nov 27 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Nov 27 2019, 11:11 AM)
SGD10k/month with the kids spending in SG would not have the lifestyle for RM20k/month in Malaysia. So means you would like sacrifice the lifestyle and less saving (compare to stay in Malaysia) for your kids better education in SG. Remember that tuition fee and expenses in SG are much higher, and to save more you need to trade off by taking public transport rather than have your own car
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Nov 27 2019, 11:11 AM)
20k in Malaysia should be enough la as long ur wife doesn't go on shopping sprees and have 4 kids who are spoilt to the max.

10k in SG if have wife and kids and live in condo need wife to be working as well to live comfortably. If not, then need to be staying HDB and be slightly frugal. Lol
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 27 2019, 11:22 AM)
Many parents are willing to sacrifice lifestyle to secure the kid's future. Not having a car is probably just a small sacrifice... considering the transport options they have in SG... And tuition fee is heavily discounted for pr and citizen... consider dollar to dollar, it's actually cheaper than msia for higher education... not to mention scholarships for their citizens too.
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Not sure how you all getting that 20k myr better than 10k sgd...
As per my observation, sgd10k living better than 20k myr...

SG housing loan rate between 2~3%, MY between 4~4.5%
SG got HDB, monthly pay using CPF, SG employer contribute 17% vs MY 13%
SG income tax lower 15% vs MY 24%

Car and petrol both about the same (no conversion), civic turbo 120k, petrol around 500, but this in SG is optional
Personally I drive Audi A4, I spend about 400 petrol and 300 for toll and parking

Food price, for example ding tai feng, dinner for 4 cost sgd80~100 vs myr 160~250, order about the same thing, my personal experience.

Bills SG better, cheaper telco, internet, electricity but water is expensive, every month about sgd250, in MY I spend about myr600

Talk about education, SG childcare is expensive, primary/secondary schoo is free, tuition fees in SG is sgd20-40 per class, I think Malaysia also about the same or cheaper
but SG will save you a lot when come to university

Due to the currency rate, buying luxury things and travel, sgd always better compare to myr, Rolex 10k sgd vs 30k myr...
So I’m no sure why you all think myr20k is better living compare with sgd10k
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post Nov 27 2019, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 27 2019, 01:00 PM)
Which bank is offering such low rates? Please share.
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Only for the first one or two years, average is 3%
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post Nov 27 2019, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Nov 27 2019, 01:22 PM)
you don't own the house in SG, so theres that

in some sense its cheaper but its not exactly the same
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Not sure what do you mean by you don’t own the house?
You able to stay for 99 years, and I don’t think you will stay for so Long, and now malaysia many condo, apartment Also go for 99 leasehold.
Asking do you own the HDB if like asking do you own the company by purchasing their share

As Long as I stay as I like during my life time, why should I worry it is a freehold or leasehold?
Some more for freehold, when gov need to use the land for infrastructure, they will just compensate and just take it.

Since I choose to take a cheaper option, I would just take what bond to me.
Many don’t even have the chance, for example hk.
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post Nov 27 2019, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Nov 27 2019, 02:18 PM)
you mentioned loan rate...what kind of property are you paying the installment? HDB or high end condo that >SGD1.5k?
SGD10k after you become PR and deduction, probably take home pay is only SGD7k+. Let say you if you rent 1 unit for the family, easily >SGD2k. What is your monthly housing loan payment? More than 2k or less?
kids school fee, tuition, transportation, nanny etc, cost how much? You don't have kids?
Anyhow your wife working, or no wife, no gf then you can claim to save a lot
you mentioned petrol, Audi....by any chance they come free? how parking you need to pay? toll is free? telco, internet all free?
your lifestyle only stay at home after work. and still work most of time the rest of year?
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Haha, do you really read my comments?
When you earn 10k why you don’t buy your own hdb?
You don’t even know the cpf contribution cap at 6k and you can use 70% of your cpf contribution for house repayment.
For 10k, you will bring back about 8.5k after the cpf and income tax
I stay in hdb, price about 600k when I buy. When amount is huge 1~2% will make few hundred difference
I only pay extra 1k, and others 1k+ paid by using cpf

For kid
As I said during preschool SG is expensive, monthly paid for full day care from Sgd700~1.2k, if you already go for full day why you need nanny? Nanny price is 800~1k+, usually SG ppl will go for half day and another half take care by maid.
Maid price here is cheap, 400~700, levy is 60 for working mother, 260 for non working mother, agent fees 1k+

When go to primary school, you save sgd700

I think MY childcare is 1k+ and same for nanny

For car, how much you spend in MY will be about the same in SG, just that car is opt in SG, some will take grab which will be cheaper option compare to own a car, hdb parking is 110sgd, working place parking is depending, from 100 to few hundreds

My lifestyle would be, Friday I will hang out with my frnd at bar, Saturday and Sunday will bring my family to park/mall/movie/activity by gov or sometime visit jb/kl or Batam

Before I come SG, I used to stay in kl for 10 years, kl got less things to do.

Don’t just listen to 1 side of story, earning sgd3k vs sgd10k lifestyle is completely different, don’t even say about those who earn less than sgd3k, which travel between jb/SG
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post Nov 27 2019, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(killbei @ Nov 27 2019, 08:55 PM)
Is it really so expensive in SG that you can barely survive with 3k SGD? What is the cost really?

Per month 3k SGD vs 5k MYR, assume net for easy comparison. Just look at the minimum requirements for survival:
1. Room rental: 500 SGD vs 500 MYR
2. Transport: 100 SGD (train/bus) vs 1000 MYR (car, toll, petrol, maintenance, parking, insurance)
3. Food: 450 SGD vs 900 MYR
4. Phone: 30 SGD vs 50 MYR

Balance: 1920 SGD vs 2550 MYR for your shopping, entertainment, support parents, whatever else... pandai-pandai manage lah. I think both sides can save 1k SGD/ 1k MYR with some smart budgeting.

So if you are single, SG is an easy choice. Personally I didn't choose SG because already have family and when you have family you can't simply budget like this. All the extra costs in SG will go up a lot compared to Malaysia with family.
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post Nov 27 2019, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Nov 27 2019, 08:55 PM)
No its a totally different thing

With hdb you own the rights to stay in the house, in Malaysia you own the rights over the house

The difference is like hdb has the right to take back the agreement and restrict you to their terms

One such example is you are not able to own a second property if you own a hdb.

Its not exactly the same thing and do carry some technical issues
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Term and condition, yes.
You buying a heavily subsidy house, sure you need to take up the t&c

Btw, you can own more than 1 property even you have a hdb, but no apply to pr
But I know some pr got second property in MY by appeal to HDB board
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post Nov 28 2019, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Nov 27 2019, 09:47 PM)
PR where can buy heavily subsidized flat? You can only buy resale flat, not new.
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I never said pr can buy bto, those who settle down here, usually will have a partner convert to SG citizen to entitled the benefits as citizen

QUOTE(+3kk! @ Nov 27 2019, 11:04 PM)
They are kinda doing it illegally and it's not that simple a process

Also you are not buying a house it seems you don't really understand how hdbs work

You are buying the rights to stay in the house
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Some illegal, some got approved by appeal. As Long as you can provide a good reason.
I know what I buy, and what I sign.
Just that I don’t know why ppl compare a public housing with private housing, and told you don’t know about hdb
At first the category already different

QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Nov 28 2019, 07:47 AM)
Bro, knw u r very proud to stay in sg , but not sure why u so excited to promote sg to malaysian ?

Wanna make sg more crowded or pure showing off ur good life

Is that necessary ? U dont know how crowded aldy sg is meh
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I never promote, I just telling the facts
People come and go, SG crowded or not, not control by me
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post Nov 28 2019, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Nov 28 2019, 09:47 AM)
So as a sgrean i need thank u now for telling the fact ... yeah thank you so much
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Why you hate Malaysian so much?
Are you ex Malaysian?
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post Nov 28 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 28 2019, 09:51 AM)
deswai.. the best scenario is to be hitched by a sgrean laugh.gif and you'd get all the benefits.
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But you have to compete with many others country
Many female prc successful doing this laugh.gif
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post Nov 28 2019, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Nov 28 2019, 10:01 AM)
err malaysian housing is private housing

you were comparing the mechanisms of the two
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Malaysia also have public housing...
I didn’t bring up the comparison, look back my previous post, I said, SG have hdb...

QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Nov 28 2019, 11:43 AM)
Well you have your explanation. I don't you have lots of saving after you spend the way you had mentioned. seems like your car and parking is free.haha
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You really just reply base on you like, don’t even read the post first before comments
I already told the parking cost, car repayment similar to Malaysia, and it is optional

You don’t know how much I earn/save/spend, not sure what your comments trying to point out...
Many members already point out, SG saving more compared to malaysia
What you need to spend in SG will be the same in MY
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post Nov 29 2019, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Nov 29 2019, 10:36 AM)
i believe everybody like to work in SG due to its currency is 3X higher
don't you think you got your lifestyle downgrade by staying in HDB?
Well, I think you like to spend more on car, driving Audi but staying in HDB is like staying in low cost flat
although compare SDG10k to MYR20k, for your lifestyle is SG is a downgrade to MY and doesn't seem like you will save more for MYR20k for the same lifestyle
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Haha, I never said I earn only sgd 10k

For me, I prefer hdb over condo, due to the condo in Singapore is overpriced.
And I also taking advantage of the subsidy given by SG gov. After 5 years, I’m actually looking at landed.
I actually not eligible to buy hdb, just that, my appeal got approved.

I’m not sure what do you mean by downgrade compare to MY? I drink Starbucks, eat fine dining, travel euro/japan, one or twice per year, so do you do that in MY when you earn myr20k?

I wonder in KL you do the same like me, how much you can save with your 20k salary?

What’s wrong to drive Audi and staying in hdb? I don’t feel any downgraded.
My car only 160k, monthly only pay sgd1.2k
i saw people driving s class, 7 series stay in hdb and tons of people driving merc, bmw, Jaguar, Lexus, even porches stay in hdb
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post Dec 2 2019, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 29 2019, 04:14 PM)
Aiya, it's okay cloudwan0 - haters will hate, butthurters will hurt. I suppose they have to say it's hell in Singapore because it somehow makes them feel better about themselves. Don't lose any sleep over it.
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Ya, not sure what mindset he have...
Haha, I still sleep well eat well, will not upset just bcos a post in /k

QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Dec 2 2019, 10:26 AM)
sounds like what you do can be achieved with MYR10k when staying in Malaysia. LOL  thumbsup.gif
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If you can achieved them very good, my experienced, I know how hard to stay in KL with family of 4
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post Dec 2 2019, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 2 2019, 04:04 PM)
No la malaysia much better la... 4K equivalent can afford BMW in malaysia liao.

SG now already so crowded by. tuas and causeway minimum 1 hour.. Malaysia much better la, just stay in Malaysia.
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YOLO...
Btw, NSHW is a nightmare during weekend...

QUOTE(kimjiwon @ Dec 2 2019, 04:12 PM)
yeah, gambate......let's work towards better lifestyle and hapiness  icon_rolleyes.gif
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