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prophetjul
post Dec 4 2019, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 3 2019, 11:42 PM)
That 200k limit is for ASB funds. No maximum limit on ASM, ASM2 and ASM3 fund holdings.
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What are the returns like for ASM1, 2 and 3 in the last 10 years?
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post Dec 4 2019, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(bourse @ Dec 4 2019, 09:12 AM)
Thanks mate
But the yield is trending downwards for most of the funds. Not a good sign. Why are so many still interested in this? confused.gif





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prophetjul
post Dec 4 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 4 2019, 10:52 AM)
For those not financial savvy, these funds have so far been the 'safest' n higher yield.
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At 5% , its only a slight above FD rates. That is not too safe. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2019, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 4 2019, 11:24 AM)
in terms of losing principal/capital
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You do not lose your principal with FD.
prophetjul
post Dec 6 2019, 11:26 AM

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Financing approved: RM200,000
Takaful contribution: n/a
+ Protection amount: n/a
+ Protection term: n/a
Total financing: RM200,000
Financing tenure: 37 years (max)
Rate: 4.85%

Monthly Payment: RM971/month
Processing Fees: RM60 (one time, included in the first installment)


4.85% finance cost to receive around 5 to 5.5% total returns???? Am I missing something here?
prophetjul
post Dec 6 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(bourse @ Dec 6 2019, 11:52 AM)
Finance for ASB1 & ASB2.  NOT any fp fund.

Dividend ASB1 6.50%
Dividend ASB2 6%

This is free money giving away.  You are not missing anything here.  Anyhow, not many bumi understand.
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I see. Its for ASB. A tongkat really. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 6 2019, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 6 2019, 03:01 PM)
You are missing quite a lot. Try reading up on:

1. Amortization
2. Compounding interest

Thank you.
Apparently based on the above person's reply, plenty of non-bumi don't understand it either. As if they do not know that you can't simply compare annual interest rates and compounding returns; and proceed to make silly comments.

I rest my case.
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Compounding at 5% is better than compounding at 1.5% p.a

So how does amortization bring a return on investment?

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post Dec 6 2019, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 6 2019, 03:35 PM)
Interest on the loans are paid based on a reducing balance. As you pay your installments, your interest payments get reduced.

On the other hand, you are probably already clear about compounding. For those who don't, compounding returns takes into account the previously accumulated returns plus capital when calculating the upcoming return

So in general, people who keep on mentioning 4.85% vs 6.5% really has some understanding to do. For example of actual calculation: after 5 years of taking up RM200k financing, the 4.85% interest on a loan balance of RM189k yields a different number than a 6.5% on the now compounded RM275k value.

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That's true. Provided all things being equal at that dividend being maintained. Right now I see the dividends on a down trend from 10 years back.
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post Dec 6 2019, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 6 2019, 03:55 PM)
then we can discuss the compounding returns, and when I said returns, it includes negative returns as well. Thus you may even have negative returns over the years like properties, or depreciation like cars.

But to talk about 4.85% vs 6.50% is just a folly, as if you can't relate the reducing balance interest (4.85%) vs the compounding returns (6.50%)
4.85% vs 6.5% is a start. It gives an indication of the expected premium earned. Nothing wrong with that.

 

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