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post Feb 21 2008, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(JaXoN @ Feb 21 2008, 01:54 AM)
I read from net that phimosis can treat using tropical steroids.
In KL, how to obtain the tropical steroids?
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Pharmacies will have topical steriods

Most people stretch during showers - try doing it for 3 / 4 times during every bath for 1 2 months, you will see results.
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:24 PM

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i heard that if i dont circumsize, i cant have sex anymore. the dck skin will roll down automatically when i plunge my dck in the vagina n causing mass pain during erection. i m also afraid that if the erection is over the limit, the dck skin will tear when it opens up. is it true? doh.gif doh.gif FYI i have never TFK in my entire life. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Feb 22 2008, 10:24 PM)
i heard that if i dont circumsize, i cant have sex anymore. the dck skin will roll down automatically when i plunge my dck in the vagina n causing mass pain during erection. i m also afraid that if the erection is over the limit, the dck skin will tear when it opens up. is it true? doh.gif doh.gif FYI i have never TFK in my entire life. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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It's a lie... laugh.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Feb 22 2008, 10:24 PM)
i heard that if i dont circumsize, i cant have sex anymore. the dck skin will roll down automatically when i plunge my dck in the vagina n causing mass pain during erection. i m also afraid that if the erection is over the limit, the dck skin will tear when it opens up. is it true? doh.gif doh.gif FYI i have never TFK in my entire life. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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is that those who have circumcised told u this? rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 23 2008, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Feb 22 2008, 10:50 PM)
is that those who have circumcised told u this? rolleyes.gif
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African men turn to circumcision to fight AIDS

KIGALI, Rwanda - His friends were doing it. His high school biology teacher recommended it, for health reasons. Finally, his girlfriend insisted on it. So one morning about a year ago, Guillaume Gatera , 19, walked into a busy private hospital in Kigali, Rwanda's capital, plunked down about $40 and was circumcised.

It was less painful than I expected," the lanky student recalled recently, nursing a mango juice at a terrace cafe and exhibiting not a trace of squeamishness. "Actually, I felt proud. After I did it, three or four of my friends went and did it too."

It may seem an unlikely trend, but more and more men in Rwanda and other African countries are being circumcised, spurred by new medical research showing that it greatly reduces the risk of contracting HIV.

On a continent ravaged by AIDS, the health imperative is overturning centuries-old beliefs about circumcision, which most traditional African cultures practice as a male rite of passage but many societies do not. Only 1 in 5 men are thought to be circumcised in Rwanda , an overwhelmingly Christian nation in which the local word for the practice is "gusilamula," which means to make oneself a Muslim.

With experts worldwide now touting it as a simple and proven method of fighting HIV- though far from guaranteed- Rwandan health officials plan to launch a nationwide campaign this year to dispel myths and encourage men to be circumcised. The country's health minister, Innocent Nyaruhirira, said recently that the voluntary campaign would begin with soldiers, police officers and university students.

In a country where some 20,000 people die of AIDS every year, many young men aren't waiting, however. One nurse, Justin Gatete , said he'd done more than 1,000 circumcisions at a Kigali clinic last year alone.

"When it's something to do with life and death," said Gatera, the student, "you ignore the cultural aspect."

For years, epidemiologists have observed that HIV is more prevalent in pockets of the world, such as southern and parts of east Africa , where men tend not to be circumcised. But it was only last March- after studies in Kenya , Uganda and South Africa found that men who were medically circumcised were 60 percent less likely to acquire HIV during heterosexual sex- that the U.N. World Health Organization endorsed it "as an additional important intervention" against AIDS.

The findings had immediate implications for Africa , home to two-thirds of the 33 million people worldwide living with HIV. Unlike in the United States , AIDS in Africa has spread primarily through sex between men and women. Despite the growing availability of lifesaving drugs, the U.N. estimates that 1.6 million people on the continent died of AIDS-related illnesses last year.

Researchers think that cells in the foreskin of the penis are especially vulnerable to HIV. Surgically removing the foreskin through circumcision also thickens the skin on the penis head, helping to resist infection. U.N. experts think that widespread circumcision in Africa could prevent 5.7 million HIV cases and save 3 million lives over the next 20 years.

"It's the most effective prevention method we know about for heterosexual guys, if it's done properly," said Robert Bailey , an epidemiologist from the University of Illinois at Chicago who led the studies in Kenya and Uganda .

The Bush administration has pledged money from its mammoth, $15 billion global AIDS program to help make circumcision more widely and safely available in countries that want it. Already, Kenya , Swaziland and Zambia have decided to make the service available in public clinics.

In Rwanda , a tiny nation in the forested hills of central Africa , American government experts are helping the government formulate its campaign. Rwandan officials want to slash the cost of the procedure- as high as $55 at private hospitals and clinics, well out of reach of most people- and ensure that basic medical insurance covers it.

"We're not going to wake up one morning and have all men be circumcised. We need to see how best to implement this," said Anita Asiimwe , the director of the government's Treatment and Research AIDS Center.

Rwanda has made strides against AIDS thanks to a huge influx of money from the United States and other donors. Six years ago, the U.N. estimated that 8.9 percent of Rwandan adults were living with HIV; by last year that had fallen to 3 percent.

But Rwanda still has one of the poorest health-care systems in the world, with 400 doctors and about 3,600 nurses serving a population of more than 8 million. Experts warn that circumcisions that aren't performed by trained medics using modern equipment could have no benefit, and may even raise the risk of infection.

Gatete, the Kigali nurse, said that he saw dozens of cases of botched circumcisions every year, often done by ritual healers.

"There are infections, and I have to treat the wounds," Gatete said. "They don't do it the way you're supposed to. You can't trust those ceremonial methods."

Medical professionals also worry that men will engage in unsafe sex if they think that being circumcised is a cure-all. The U.S. Agency for International Development has said that "it is essential for countries that are considering incorporating male-circumcision delivery to place it within a comprehensive HIV-prevention package" that includes promoting condom use and other behaviors.

Health Minister Nyaruhirira has warned circumcised men not to think they have a "green light for promiscuity."

There's growing awareness of circumcision's benefits and limitations among the young and educated in Kigali . Science teachers tell their students that it's hygienic, and counsel them to have it done during Christmas or Easter holidays so they have a few days to heal.

Ebenezer Ntabwoba, 24, said high school friends had mocked him when they learned that he wasn't circumcised, calling him unclean. Before he went off to college last year, he went to a hospital and had it done.

He urges his friends and relatives to follow suit. Peer pressure among young men is a powerful force, he said, but there's another reason why guys are doing it.

"Girls don't like a guy unless he's been cut," Ntabwoba said. "They ask, 'Why are you like that?' That's a strong motivator."


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post Feb 23 2008, 10:12 PM

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I like my lil bro, untouched by any other men and the way it is, lol
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post Feb 26 2008, 12:02 PM

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but once u finish ur operation, u really need to tk good care of ur wound.while i do it,i din really take good care of it n i tot i gona say good bye with my "didi"
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post Mar 3 2008, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(sktim @ Feb 26 2008, 12:02 PM)
but once u finish ur operation, u really need to tk good care of ur wound.while i do it,i din really take good care of it n i tot i gona say good bye with my "didi"
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wat happened.. you put it to action before it healed?
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post Mar 4 2008, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Shi @ Feb 21 2008, 09:51 AM)
Pharmacies will have topical steriods

Most people stretch during showers - try doing it for 3 / 4 times during every bath for 1 2 months, you will see results.
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It's easy to get betamethasone over the counter. I think it's called Betnovate if I recall correctly. Around 8 bucks a tube. Hydrocortisone is also around the same price but not as potent as betamethasone. My GF use these to treat her cracked skin (allergic to detergents).

There is also corticosteroid + antibiotic/antiseptic combos, those are more expensive and probably not necessary for phimosis treatment (whereby you just want the skin atrophy and anti-inflammation effects of corticosteroids). For example, Betnovate-N and Fucicort. The last time I bought Fucicort for my infected insect bite rash, it costs around 15 or 16 bucks per tube.


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post Mar 6 2008, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(vicdd @ Feb 18 2008, 04:29 PM)
hey guys... im now thinking of circumcision cos i feel like its a 'good' investment for the future....

1.how long will it take to heal?
2.and what kind of cs procedure shuld i take for FASTER possible healing time?
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When you decided to go, just go without any delay

your erection will be more comfortable without the extra skin attached covering it. Plus the torpedo warhead will be easier to be inserted into the target.

KL has a lots of clinics with MINOR SUREGERIES that offer the services such as POLIKLINIK CITY, MEDIVERON.

Ask the clinic of the procedures theyy will do.

Usualy the methods are 3 shots of anasthesia "there", then a surgery with either knife or a a laer/heat type cutter. the heat type is good as it almost bloodless.

Then it comes to the stitches, not painful as u r still under anasthetics. Then off u go to continue ur normal activities.

BUT BEWARE THAT IF U HAVE A VERY HIGH SEXUAL DESIRE, THIS IS THE TIME U LEARN TO CONTROL IT AS THE WOUND STITCHES GET VERY PAINFUL CAUSED BY ERECTION. SERIOUSLY.

Should heal in 1 week, allow 2 - 3 weeks b4 u fully resume your sexual activities. After 1 week u can mast.. you know.. if u already tak tahan.. temporarily until it is fully healed

Ttry to get some foods high in protein that speeds up wound healing.

Cost should be rm100 to rm200 depends on the anasthetics and procedures.

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post Mar 11 2008, 01:32 PM

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I'm new here.....

I went for circumcision at the age 20 (year 2000) and it cost me RM190 from the clinic. The method was the "freehand" type. A couple of weeks before I go for circumcision, I went to the clinic to get consultation from the doctor. Of course he needed to check my d*ck to see if the skin is too tight or loose.

After the checking, he arranged an appointment for me to come for the circumcision. During then, Friday was a public holiday and followed by Saturday and Sunday. I took an additional leave off on Monday and resume work on Tuesday.

It was really painful for two hours after the operation. It's due to fading anasthetics at the d*ck. What I could do is to rest on the bed only.

3 days wearing sarong at home. When start work, I still wear underwear with my d*ck wrapped with bandage but lightly wrapped. When walking, have to "kangkang" a bit because a bit uncomfortable. But it's okay to walk around.

Only after two weeks, I can pull out the string that was stitched on my d*ck. Kinda ticklish but the string can be remove.
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post Mar 11 2008, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(cutepelikat @ Mar 11 2008, 01:32 PM)
I'm new here.....

I went for circumcision at the age 20 (year 2000) and it cost me RM190 from the clinic. The method was the "freehand" type. A couple of weeks before I go for circumcision, I went to the clinic to get consultation from the doctor. Of course he needed to check my d*ck to see if the skin is too tight or loose.

After the checking, he arranged an appointment for me to come for the circumcision. During then, Friday was a public holiday and followed by Saturday and Sunday. I took an additional leave off on Monday and resume work on Tuesday.

It was really painful for two hours after the operation. It's due to fading anasthetics at the d*ck. What I could do is to rest on the bed only.

3 days wearing sarong at home. When start work, I still wear underwear with my d*ck wrapped with bandage but lightly wrapped. When walking, have to "kangkang" a bit because a bit uncomfortable. But it's okay to walk around.

Only after two weeks, I can pull out the string that was stitched on my d*ck. Kinda ticklish but the string can be remove.
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I could walk and go class after my circumcision! Just wear tight underwear you shud be fine. Tight underwear will also stop the swelling. Take out the stitches as soon as possible, if not the holes will be permanent.
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after getting it cut ... did u guys get some serious bloating ? and was there any yellowish liquid from the wounds ? im planning to do it ... but some friends who did it told me that ... was kinda scary ...
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I believe nowadays the doctor will use the laser to stop the wound from bleeding, so the bloating or yellowish liquid should be minimized to the lowest like my case, mine was a little bloated but it is a cutting wound, and the bloating will be very normal, if dont have, then i have to check with doctor for that issue.
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QUOTE(iDk @ Mar 26 2008, 11:29 PM)
I believe nowadays the doctor will use the laser to stop the wound from bleeding, so the bloating or yellowish liquid should be minimized to the lowest like my case, mine was a little bloated but it is a cutting wound, and the bloating will be very normal, if dont have, then i have to check with doctor for that issue.
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welcome back. you really really love circumsition lol
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Just wonder is it any better if go cut the frenulum ?
Although no problems on the head fully out. Hmm...



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post Mar 27 2008, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(peeky @ Mar 26 2008, 09:12 PM)
after getting it cut ... did u guys get some serious bloating ? and was there any yellowish liquid from the wounds ? im planning to do it ... but some friends who did it told me that ... was kinda scary ...
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Bloating is very normal, as in all surgeries. Yellow liquid is produced by body, to seal cuts. They only last for 1 week
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Mar 26 2008, 11:35 PM)
welcome back. you really really love circumsition lol
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hi, long time dint see you. Of course i love my circumcised d*ck. Have you make up your mind for the decision? smile.gif
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QUOTE(iDk @ Mar 28 2008, 12:17 AM)
hi, long time dint see you. Of course i love my circumcised d*ck. Have you make up your mind for the decision?  smile.gif
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no sponsor + too embarassing during recovery. Unless there is a way where I can walk/sit without anyone seeing or knowing
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post Mar 28 2008, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Mar 28 2008, 04:35 PM)
no sponsor + too embarassing during recovery. Unless there is a way where I can walk/sit without anyone seeing or knowing
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go government hospital... very cheap

or go buy chicken and give the tok mudin tongue.gif

You will be able to walk/sit without problems on the second day... just don go running, no one will know the difference

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