I dont know how can you comment CR1 is better than Primacy 4 and PS4 because I have CR1 in my new Alza which I felt it is moderate tyre. The tyre is quiet and good ride comfort, but the dry and wet grip is really so so and nothing much to praise AT ALL. Among entry level it is quite good but definitely not in the level to compare to Primacy 4 and PS4. I find this CR1 dry and wet grip is a bit weaker than Hankook Eco2.

The ps4 ride very harsh, even on a E class, can feel that the ride is very noisy and vibrates a lot. Maybe E class NVH not good enough?
Primacy 4 is similar to XM2, rides well but not too quiet also. Tested on X1 for ps4 and X70 for primacy suv+.

If quiet and soft riding are your first priority then CR1 is doing a great job. But in term of dry and wet grip CR1 are way behind Primacy 4 and PS4. PS4 is performance tyre which gives high level of grip in dry and wet, the drawback is harder ride and high level of noise.

I believe a lot of people confuse grip as braking performance.
grip mostly are related to traction, both dry & wet grip should not fair much as you can still drive in both condition even for CR1 or Primacy 4.
The only wide difference is with braking performance, usually premium tires like Primacy will get better results in this category.

Primacy is not quiet? Holy... are you kidding me?

You should avoid continental then because they are freaking noisy. Michelin PS NVH are usually okay'ish until you ran them down. The primacy should be a lot better not only with noise but also comfort with it's rounder sidewall versus PS flat sidewall.

I think the main aspect of tyre comfort is still the sidewall height. E class, I'm guessing 45 profile?? You cant get any comfort with 45 height tyre since you need to pump them quite high between 38-42. Those older round lights E class have slightly higher sidewall and very comfortable but ever since they changed to these sporty looks, well, the tyre has to slim down to accomodate the looks.

It is all grip, stop causing more confusion.

If want to be precise, you may use lateral grip during cornering and longitudinal grip during braking/acceleration.

Claiming lateral grip should not fair much among different tyres class over different dry/wet is not true and irresponsible. Want to see someone with CR1 follow same speed as PS4 throw into a corner? Dangerous. Or try corner at same speed in wet vs dry? Dangerous.

There are few tyres with exceptional small margin difference in wet vs dry cornering limit, those are outstanding, not everyone have those tyres.

Read this.
https://suspensionsecrets.co.uk/lateral-and...-load-transfer/


Budget and premium types differ greatly in grip in all conditions, not just braking performance. Even different classes of same brand can be totally different.

It is all down to how tyres handle load transfer. Also in a corner, contact patch twist slightly, upcoming contact patch land at slightly different position vs contact patch leaving the ground. This is what give us slip angle, also car without power steering feels lighter when car moves, even it is just rolling a tiny bit.

In a simple rubber at static position, totally grip is pressure applied multiplied by static coefficient of friction.

But in real world driving, it is not static. Tyres is in constant tiny slip all the time, and the rubber grip has diminishing return with increasing load.

This is where good tyres differentiate themselves. They let the driver feels the available grip transition gradually.

Some budget tyres are just snap and car just gone from stable to slide in split second. Low rolling resistance tyres from premium brand, same trouble.

Botak cheap tyres also still can drive in wet and dry if I'm turtle hogging the main road. We can have 100% straight A's in example if we set the A threshold at 5/100.

CR1, CC7, XM2 etc totally not same as touring tyres Primacy4, Prime3, MC6. Then PS4, PS5, PC6, F1 Sport, PZ4 another level. Then SC7, PS4S, PZ4C, Potenza Sport, F1A6 yet another level, best tyres we can buy for daily commute. Next level Cup2, Nankang AR1, RE-71R onwards are semi slick already, I never driven the semi slick group, can't comment.

Then braking performance also different even for 2 tyres hav8ng exactly same braking distance on a same car. What you can read online is the full force braking distance. Maximum load transfer to front wheel. High force pressing on front tyres, and lifting rear tyres. In every day driving comfort (and precise control in spirited driving), we not doing that all the time. We want a linear grip over various load conditions.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jun 17 2023, 08:57 AM

Sometitme people read online review see the dB number, which is measured external of then car.

Yea, Primacy is one of quietness tyres on the class. The dB number is higher than budget XM2. But that is not what we experience in car. 100k ish car have better noise insulation than econobox.

Had a 225/45R17 change to PS5 from Prime2. PS5 as a UHP is more quiet than Prime2. Not sure about Prime3.

But, I don't not agree Continental are all noisy. I had PC6 and having SC7. Both are equivalent to PS5 in quietness. And PS5, PC7 tread pattern is very smart (can see the similarity in design philosophy of both brands over last gen tyres tread) near zero noise in smooth pavement.

Having CC6, I think same as Kinergy EX, but XM2 is more quiet than both. But thr ownerships are many years apart, not like PS5 vs PC6 that I have driven both back and forth over long period. Well maybe you are right at the lower end spectrum, when come to UHP, they are very close.

About E class, modern E class are just stiffer than W211 generation. Suspension tuned stiffer overall, tyres profile is just one of the many reasons.

Big rim, thin profile wheel also sensitive to temperature change 2-3psi swing on a hot day, the feeling is super obvious. Had one experience during 42C afternoon, sun was on the right in highway drive. Right side is clearly more bumpy than the left.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jun 17 2023, 08:51 AM

Not sure about SC7 and PC6 (this is comfort tyre?). Have a set of CSC5 and it was kinda noisy but acceptable. Lately have a pair of MC6 and gosh, it was horrible. I dont even know what to say about MC6. Yes, performance is right up there but the noise and comfort is really way way down. Even on a 55 profile, you will feel every bump in the road, and the noise is just unforgetable. I thought maybe this is just Sonata having poor insulation (actually I had primacy on, had 2 tyres at the back with problem thus replacing them with MC6), and my dad just had a brand new set of MC6 on his W212. Tried it and same. Harsh ride and noisy.

Prime 3 is more or less similar to Primacy performance in the dry but noise wise is definitely higher than Primacy. Sidewall a bit harder than Primacy though.

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Jun 17 2023, 08:56 AM

Good, since you have SC5, it is easier to explain. PC is premium contact.

In SC5 era, Continental line up is PC5 = Primacy, SC5 = PS4, SC5P = PS4S.

Come to 6th gen. We only have PC6 for Primacy/PS4. They market it is premium Touring + UHP, available from 19" inch. Some claims UC6 compete with Primacy, but it is a very weak product. Maybe UC6 vs Primacy 3. But I'll take Primacy 4/4+ in a heart beat.

Then SC6 = PS4S is the UUHP class, no more SC6P. 7th gen follows the similar except what I suspect maybe there will not have MC7 anymore.

Then MC6 get upgrade from MC5 touring to take Touring/UHP market in smaller wheel size market. I don't have MC6 myself, only driven on my friend's XV a couple of times. Can't beat PS4/PS5 for sure, but still quieter than Prime2. But to be fair one is Crossover, another one is hothatch.

Bear in mind that MC is only available in SEA. They don't sell that in Europe. With the new UC7 closing the gap vs MC6, I feel like we don't need MC7 anymore.

Use UC7 = Primacy, PC7 = PS5, SC7 = PS4S and new yet to release PSS5. Anyone wants a 15', 16" UHP, have to look at Japanese brand tyres.

Please W212 don't use MC6 or UC or don't even use Primacy. Is the car 18" or 19"? 18" go for PS5. 19" go for PS5/PC6. PC7 still limited size and not yet in Malaysia. Guess your dad won't be interested in UUHP. PS5 comfort is same or better than most touring tyres.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Jun 17 2023, 09:34 AM

E class using 45 profile r18. So most likely makes the ride feel harsh. And the PS4 wears down so fast. Even with gentle driving. And the price also very expensive too.

PS4 are UHP tires, you dont expect performance tire to last long and better comfort.

If want more better comfort & longer lasting tires, look into touring base tires like Primacy series or Hankook Prime 4 (latest) as per this topic.
You dont need UHP tire performance for everyday use if your not a keen street racer.

im looking to replace my civic fe rs tayar, 235/40R18, to hankook prime 4

anyone can recommend any shop in kl/pj?

i try to find online but not much seller i can find. most of them are too far at klang or puncak alam.

So hows Prime 4 now?

10k km on mine now. I’d say it’s definitely worth it for the price. Don’t feel nervous at all braking in dry or wet road conditions. Just need to be aware for puddles of water cause aqua planning can get scary at ~80km/h or more

no a big change from prime 3 i guess

For me it is definitely worth the price. Paid rm240 /pc for 205/55R16 and out went the VP3s. Immediate impression after installation was VP4 is quieter but noticeably firmer ride than VP3. Tyre pressure still at 250kPa as always. VP3 I still can remember vividly to be not as quiet, right after installation.

Now after almost 8k km, its sidewall is definitely stiffer than VP3. VP3 will sway when going thru crosswinds, but not VP4. Car feels much more planted on road undulations.

Somehow noticed that VP4 thread (rubber patches, not water channels or sipes) area seems to attract sand grains. As comparison, VP3 didn't pickup any. Maybe Hankook changed the rubber compound to softer and stickier type? Now got to clean car porch more frequently due to sand grains from tyres.

Vp3 is seriously quiet, and dry grip is fantastic. Wet is commendable, and aquaplaning, at that price point really worthy. VP4 as advertised is more durable than VP3, probably let you check it out in future.

Does hankook VP have tyre size of 195 55 r16?

You guys does have some great prices there. I'm asking around in Northern region for VP4 215/55/17, the cheapest I got is RM330/donut, most expensive is RM410/donut, which is ridiculous.

I think I might just drive down to KL if the price is almost 100 difference per donut.

Can somebody using the same size please update your price and location? TIA

This post has been edited by jolipoli81: Dec 10 2023, 12:37 PM

Bought 2sets (of 4 tyres) from a dealer in Tmn Sentosa, Klang, which for me were 1 of the best price around (even slightly lower than mudah). Both sets are VP4 (205/55R16 and 195/55R15).

Not sure if the savings will be worth your time or not, but no harm trying to whatsapp this number, zero 1 seven 6 zero 88888 (Teoh Bros). Tell him (the Boss) what you want and he will reply you.