QUOTE(007SMH @ Jan 24 2022, 03:37 PM)
Missed the clearance on IS17. Issue with this was misaligned air ports.Helmet Discussion, Everything about helmet..
Helmet Discussion, Everything about helmet..
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Jan 25 2022, 08:54 AM
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Jan 27 2022, 09:02 PM
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Thought on LS2 helmet safety? Very affordable price I see.
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Jan 28 2022, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(UnknownH @ Jan 27 2022, 09:02 PM) Certified to ECE22.05 so should be ok. Sharp rating are available for some models. It's a Spanish brand but really based in China, last time same factory as MHR. Now top models got carbon fibre and MotoGP FIM approval.Just make sure to look at the details when buying. Sometimes the visor sealing not perfect, so kena rain will seep inside. |
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Jan 28 2022, 10:38 AM
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ls2 i believe is a chinese brand started as mhr..
boss is chinese |
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Jan 28 2022, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(alexei @ Jan 28 2022, 11:22 AM) Certified to ECE22.05 so should be ok. Sharp rating are available for some models. It's a Spanish brand but really based in China, last time same factory as MHR. Now top models got carbon fibre and MotoGP FIM approval. If it is ECE rated, it should be good.Just make sure to look at the details when buying. Sometimes the visor sealing not perfect, so kena rain will seep inside. Sharp rating is more rigorous and it costs a lot more to the manufacturer to send helmets in for the organization to test, so you'll typically only see this on high end models esp those that are used for racing. ECE rating is mandatory for all helmets sold in Europe, but not in the US. ECE tests are done by the organization and are also more rigorous compared to DOT. DOT is trickier. I saw videos explaining that DOT operates on an honor system, where manufacturers are allowed to put the DOT label on helmets they *feel* meet the standard and *intend* to test themselves. Bottom line, DOT helmets are not tested and verified by a regulatory body or organization, which is why you're likely to see this on lesser helmet brands. I wonder where SIRIM sits in the scheme of things. |
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Jan 28 2022, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Jan 28 2022, 11:40 AM) If it is ECE rated, it should be good. SIRIM is based on ECE test and is also done by them. So if it is SIRIM approved you can be assured of its safety. Better to take a helmet that is SIRIM approved without DOT compared to a helmet with only DOTSharp rating is more rigorous and it costs a lot more to the manufacturer to send helmets in for the organization to test, so you'll typically only see this on high end models esp those that are used for racing. ECE rating is mandatory for all helmets sold in Europe, but not in the US. ECE tests are done by the organization and are also more rigorous compared to DOT. DOT is trickier. I saw videos explaining that DOT operates on an honor system, where manufacturers are allowed to put the DOT label on helmets they *feel* meet the standard and *intend* to test themselves. Bottom line, DOT helmets are not tested and verified by a regulatory body or organization, which is why you're likely to see this on lesser helmet brands. I wonder where SIRIM sits in the scheme of things. amscouzach57 and ZZR-Pilot liked this post
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Jan 28 2022, 01:41 PM
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DOT sticker is trust basis, helmet manufacturer need to self test for compliance. DOT testing is done on random, and the database can be found online. Many branded helmets fail performance, but still allowed to be sold. SNELL list can be found, but not the results. You won't see AGV helmets here. Worth to note, SNELL database can see LS2 and Jiangmen Pengchen helmets certified for M2015 list. Jiangmen Pengchen makes MHR and LS2 brands. I haven't found ECE test data available online, same with SIRIM too.
Another China brand, J*****, also quite interesting. I managed to contact their customer service, and asked about DOT and ECE approvals. For the same model, can order DOT approved, or ECE approved model. Using same material, but different amount, can achieve different approval rating. And they did send me a list of other brand names they sell across the world. However, in Malaysia, I only saw DOT approved on sale. LS2 MHR background: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Feb 3 2022, 08:12 PM
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DOT jangan beli.. how on earth this kind of helmet got DOT cert. ![]() best one is FIM grade Arai RX-7V Racing. AGV Pista GP RR. Shark Race-R Pro GP FIM Racing. RalphRatedR liked this post
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Feb 4 2022, 03:21 PM
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Agree on the above helmet, is not suitable for Malaysian road from compliance perspective.
Different country got different culture, laws, or rules. DOT US allows half helmet like the above, it is certified for road use, JIS also allows half helmet, but limited to engine cc. SIRIM/ECE allows jet helmets without visors. Half or steng helmets like up there one, sure not accepted but they are still available for sale. If visors (clear, tinted) are included, they are subjected to ECE tests as well. To be frank, affordable helmets likely fail the current ECE 22.05 or the MS1:2011 tests. I hope Malaysian helmet makers catch up la. |
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Feb 16 2022, 03:07 PM
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Has anyone imported any helmet, particularly from Aliexpress/Taobao recently? Will the custom confiscate if there are ECE ratings on the helmet?
Found a helmet with a nice design that I want but it's not sold here. |
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Feb 16 2022, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 16 2022, 03:07 PM) Has anyone imported any helmet, particularly from Aliexpress/Taobao recently? Will the custom confiscate if there are ECE ratings on the helmet? i got beli b4, frm taobao using lyn agent, Found a helmet with a nice design that I want but it's not sold here. pay sensitip fee, tarak hal.. but nowaday i dono, mebe still can lepas wit agent.. |
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Feb 23 2022, 06:13 PM
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Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(basilisk @ Feb 16 2022, 09:11 PM) i got beli b4, frm taobao using lyn agent, That would be the illegal route. The agent must have done some funny business.pay sensitip fee, tarak hal.. but nowaday i dono, mebe still can lepas wit agent.. Now, customs will tahan your helmet if it doesn't have a SIRIM mark & JPJ approval. Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now. So, buying online from overseas right now will most likely get your helmet confiscated at the end (unless the manufacturer has obtained the SIRIM mark). Even if you go travel overseas, buy a helmet & bring it back to Malaysia as carry on luggage; most likely it will be confiscated when you arrive. It will be upon the discretion of the Customs officers to allow it to be brought in. This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Feb 23 2022, 07:42 PM |
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Feb 23 2022, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM) Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now. I doubt there testing facilities and their method of testing is better than ece, TUV, snell, etc This is bullshit. |
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Feb 23 2022, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Feb 23 2022, 09:47 PM) How sirim test and rate the helmets? They should be tested according to the MS 1, MS 1-1, & UN ECE R22 standards, for helmets; MS 1-2, MS 1065 & UN ECE R22 for the visors. The helmets need to pass the impact, penetration & retention test (I can't remember the rest of the testing regime).I doubt there testing facilities and their method of testing is better than ece, TUV, snell, etc This is bullshit. https://youtu.be/-sXPM6WQ2O0 If SIRIM are accredited to conduct the test & certification, I don't see why they would be less qualified than other Certification Bodies available. mdziaf liked this post
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Feb 24 2022, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM) That would be the illegal route. The agent must have done some funny business. I got in touch with Excel Bikers to ask about their HJCs the other day and was told that their HJCs are imported and do not have SIRIM cert but are JPJ approved.Now, customs will tahan your helmet if it doesn't have a SIRIM mark & JPJ approval. Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now. So, buying online from overseas right now will most likely get your helmet confiscated at the end (unless the manufacturer has obtained the SIRIM mark). Even if you go travel overseas, buy a helmet & bring it back to Malaysia as carry on luggage; most likely it will be confiscated when you arrive. It will be upon the discretion of the Customs officers to allow it to be brought in. With that in mind are they still legal? |
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Feb 24 2022, 01:07 AM
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Feb 24 2022, 02:49 AM
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fb manyak helmet frm thai, copy ori apa pon ada, they can still enter mar.. lol.. kautim oni..
all same la, not jz helmet, carry on luggage if they din check, still jalan terus .. i heard imported helmet only got sirim if distributor send for sirim testing? like arai? else will only hv jpj sticker. |
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Feb 24 2022, 06:23 AM
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 24 2022, 12:38 AM) I got in touch with Excel Bikers to ask about their HJCs the other day and was told that their HJCs are imported and do not have SIRIM cert but are JPJ approved. If that is the case they must have done the JPJ's CTA (component type approval) by an approved Certification Body.With that in mind are they still legal? I've checked back again the rules that was recently enforced, the main requirements for the JPJ CTA are either MS 1 or UN ECE R22 by an accredited Certification Body. For bringing in helmets from overseas for personal use, either by online purchase or by flight carry on luggage, if the helmets does not have the JPJ approval yet, the helmet must have a valid UN ECE R22 certification. However, upon entry you will still need to apply for JPJ approval. |
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