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alexei
post Jan 25 2022, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(007SMH @ Jan 24 2022, 03:37 PM)
Yea even the interior liner and micromrtric fastener also labeled IS17 also
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Missed the clearance on IS17. Issue with this was misaligned air ports.
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post Jan 27 2022, 09:02 PM

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Thought on LS2 helmet safety? Very affordable price I see.
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post Jan 28 2022, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(UnknownH @ Jan 27 2022, 09:02 PM)
Thought on LS2 helmet safety? Very affordable price I see.
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Certified to ECE22.05 so should be ok. Sharp rating are available for some models. It's a Spanish brand but really based in China, last time same factory as MHR. Now top models got carbon fibre and MotoGP FIM approval.

Just make sure to look at the details when buying. Sometimes the visor sealing not perfect, so kena rain will seep inside.

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post Jan 28 2022, 10:38 AM

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ls2 i believe is a chinese brand started as mhr..
boss is chinese
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post Jan 28 2022, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jan 28 2022, 11:22 AM)
Certified to ECE22.05 so should be ok. Sharp rating are available for some models. It's a Spanish brand but really based in China, last time same factory as MHR. Now top models got carbon fibre and MotoGP FIM approval.

Just make sure to look at the details when buying. Sometimes the visor sealing not perfect, so kena rain will seep inside.
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If it is ECE rated, it should be good.

Sharp rating is more rigorous and it costs a lot more to the manufacturer to send helmets in for the organization to test, so you'll typically only see this on high end models esp those that are used for racing.

ECE rating is mandatory for all helmets sold in Europe, but not in the US. ECE tests are done by the organization and are also more rigorous compared to DOT.

DOT is trickier. I saw videos explaining that DOT operates on an honor system, where manufacturers are allowed to put the DOT label on helmets they *feel* meet the standard and *intend* to test themselves. Bottom line, DOT helmets are not tested and verified by a regulatory body or organization, which is why you're likely to see this on lesser helmet brands.

I wonder where SIRIM sits in the scheme of things.
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post Jan 28 2022, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Jan 28 2022, 11:40 AM)
If it is ECE rated, it should be good.

Sharp rating is more rigorous and it costs a lot more to the manufacturer to send helmets in for the organization to test, so you'll typically only see this on high end models esp those that are used for racing.

ECE rating is mandatory for all helmets sold in Europe, but not in the US. ECE tests are done by the organization and are also more rigorous compared to DOT.

DOT is trickier. I saw videos explaining that DOT operates on an honor system, where manufacturers are allowed to put the DOT label on helmets they *feel* meet the standard and *intend* to test themselves. Bottom line, DOT helmets are not tested and verified by a regulatory body or organization, which is why you're likely to see this on lesser helmet brands.

I wonder where SIRIM sits in the scheme of things.
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SIRIM is based on ECE test and is also done by them. So if it is SIRIM approved you can be assured of its safety. Better to take a helmet that is SIRIM approved without DOT compared to a helmet with only DOT
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post Jan 28 2022, 01:41 PM

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DOT sticker is trust basis, helmet manufacturer need to self test for compliance. DOT testing is done on random, and the database can be found online. Many branded helmets fail performance, but still allowed to be sold. SNELL list can be found, but not the results. You won't see AGV helmets here. Worth to note, SNELL database can see LS2 and Jiangmen Pengchen helmets certified for M2015 list. Jiangmen Pengchen makes MHR and LS2 brands. I haven't found ECE test data available online, same with SIRIM too.

Another China brand, J*****, also quite interesting. I managed to contact their customer service, and asked about DOT and ECE approvals. For the same model, can order DOT approved, or ECE approved model. Using same material, but different amount, can achieve different approval rating. And they did send me a list of other brand names they sell across the world. However, in Malaysia, I only saw DOT approved on sale.

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post Feb 3 2022, 08:12 PM

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DOT jangan beli.. how on earth this kind of helmet got DOT cert.

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best one is FIM grade

Arai RX-7V Racing.
AGV Pista GP RR.
Shark Race-R Pro GP FIM Racing.
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post Feb 4 2022, 03:21 PM

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Agree on the above helmet, is not suitable for Malaysian road from compliance perspective.

Different country got different culture, laws, or rules. DOT US allows half helmet like the above, it is certified for road use, JIS also allows half helmet, but limited to engine cc.
SIRIM/ECE allows jet helmets without visors. Half or steng helmets like up there one, sure not accepted but they are still available for sale. If visors (clear, tinted) are included, they are subjected to ECE tests as well.

To be frank, affordable helmets likely fail the current ECE 22.05 or the MS1:2011 tests. I hope Malaysian helmet makers catch up la.
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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Feb 3 2022, 08:12 PM)
DOT jangan beli.. how on earth this kind of helmet got DOT cert.

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best one is FIM grade

Arai RX-7V Racing.
AGV Pista GP RR.
Shark Race-R Pro GP FIM Racing.
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Or you can go cheap and get the Scorpion exo R1. Sort of FIM standard also. But much cheaper
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post Feb 16 2022, 03:07 PM

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Has anyone imported any helmet, particularly from Aliexpress/Taobao recently? Will the custom confiscate if there are ECE ratings on the helmet?

Found a helmet with a nice design that I want but it's not sold here.
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post Feb 16 2022, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 16 2022, 03:07 PM)
Has anyone imported any helmet, particularly from Aliexpress/Taobao recently? Will the custom confiscate if there are ECE ratings on the helmet?

Found a helmet with a nice design that I want but it's not sold here.
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i got beli b4, frm taobao using lyn agent,
pay sensitip fee, tarak hal..
but nowaday i dono, mebe still can lepas wit agent..
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post Feb 23 2022, 06:13 PM

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post Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Feb 16 2022, 09:11 PM)
i got beli b4, frm taobao using lyn agent,
pay sensitip fee, tarak hal..
but nowaday i dono, mebe still can lepas wit agent..
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That would be the illegal route. The agent must have done some funny business.

Now, customs will tahan your helmet if it doesn't have a SIRIM mark & JPJ approval.

Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now.

So, buying online from overseas right now will most likely get your helmet confiscated at the end (unless the manufacturer has obtained the SIRIM mark).

Even if you go travel overseas, buy a helmet & bring it back to Malaysia as carry on luggage; most likely it will be confiscated when you arrive.

It will be upon the discretion of the Customs officers to allow it to be brought in.

This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Feb 23 2022, 07:42 PM
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post Feb 23 2022, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM)


Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now.

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How sirim test and rate the helmets?

I doubt there testing facilities and their method of testing is better than ece, TUV, snell, etc

This is bullshit.
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post Feb 23 2022, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Feb 23 2022, 09:47 PM)
How sirim test and rate the helmets?

I doubt there testing facilities and their method of testing is better than ece, TUV, snell, etc

This is bullshit.
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They should be tested according to the MS 1, MS 1-1, & UN ECE R22 standards, for helmets; MS 1-2, MS 1065 & UN ECE R22 for the visors. The helmets need to pass the impact, penetration & retention test (I can't remember the rest of the testing regime).

https://youtu.be/-sXPM6WQ2O0

If SIRIM are accredited to conduct the test & certification, I don't see why they would be less qualified than other Certification Bodies available.
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post Feb 24 2022, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Feb 23 2022, 07:41 PM)
That would be the illegal route. The agent must have done some funny business.

Now, customs will tahan your helmet if it doesn't have a SIRIM mark & JPJ approval.

Now, JPJ require all newly sold helmets in the market to be SIRIM marked. Even DOT approved helmets are not accepted now.

So, buying online from overseas right now will most likely get your helmet confiscated at the end (unless the manufacturer has obtained the SIRIM mark).

Even if you go travel overseas, buy a helmet & bring it back to Malaysia as carry on luggage; most likely it will be confiscated when you arrive.

It will be upon the discretion of the Customs officers to allow it to be brought in.
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I got in touch with Excel Bikers to ask about their HJCs the other day and was told that their HJCs are imported and do not have SIRIM cert but are JPJ approved.

With that in mind are they still legal?
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post Feb 24 2022, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 24 2022, 12:38 AM)
I got in touch with Excel Bikers to ask about their HJCs the other day and was told that their HJCs are imported and do not have SIRIM cert but are JPJ approved.

With that in mind are they still legal?
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My HJC C70 also got the JPJ approved sticker as well
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post Feb 24 2022, 02:49 AM

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fb manyak helmet frm thai, copy ori apa pon ada, they can still enter mar.. lol.. kautim oni..
all same la, not jz helmet,
carry on luggage if they din check, still jalan terus ..

i heard imported helmet only got sirim if distributor send for sirim testing? like arai?
else will only hv jpj sticker.
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post Feb 24 2022, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Feb 24 2022, 12:38 AM)
I got in touch with Excel Bikers to ask about their HJCs the other day and was told that their HJCs are imported and do not have SIRIM cert but are JPJ approved.

With that in mind are they still legal?
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If that is the case they must have done the JPJ's CTA (component type approval) by an approved Certification Body.

I've checked back again the rules that was recently enforced, the main requirements for the JPJ CTA are either MS 1 or UN ECE R22 by an accredited Certification Body.

For bringing in helmets from overseas for personal use, either by online purchase or by flight carry on luggage, if the helmets does not have the JPJ approval yet, the helmet must have a valid UN ECE R22 certification. However, upon entry you will still need to apply for JPJ approval.

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