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joshhd
post Apr 18 2020, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Apr 18 2020, 01:37 AM)
Surprised and very sick that MYTV Broadcasting do this during MCO period, without any warning giving prior then. MYTV doing what they want to do without giving any consideration to viewers and antenna installers (removing or moving channels without giving notice to viewers, no simulcasts during the switching period!!!) Not to mention by the time you post some areas may had already retuned to a new frequency!

And if not for this message I (and many others) won't even notice a retune event will happen soon and really there will be some chaos because the reception of Malaysian channels will gone all at once! This is not to mention that the electrical shops and antenna installers are not allowed to operate on this moment! Moreover, there would be risks and issue that for some TV viewers who do not retune (probably don't know how to do so), will be cut off from the latest information about the Coronavirus completely!
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Yes. When I see this, I was like.... doh.gif doh.gif mega_shok.gif mega_shok.gif mega_shok.gif
This MYTV Broadcasting ah... Happened many times in the past already, until now still won't learn a lesson? Suka suka last minute change frequency.
I just got to know about this just few hours ago, seriously.

Or is it because, "since majority of JB people would watching Singapore channels, and Malaysian channels don't really matter them much, so change frequency at once also doesn't matter much."
Even so, they should be more responsible a bit lor...

Also, soon JB area will uses the same 666MHz and 650MHz frequency/channel number that is also used in quite many areas around Peninsular Malaysia, including Klang Valley.

Btw how's the DTT reception at your place now? What's the status now?
Is 666MHz and 650MHz up already?
And how's Indonesia's analogue TV reception?

Are you still using your apartment's centralised antenna? You didn't thought of buying a JP-5E or something, and place it near your TV or somewhere?
Who knows you can get all 3 country's DTT channels. biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by joshhd: Apr 18 2020, 02:17 AM
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post Apr 18 2020, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 17 2020, 10:15 PM)
Johor Bahru area and Bukit Bauk in Terrenganu will undergo frequency restacking exercise

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When, you ask? It's Tomorrow (18 Apr) and day after tomorrow (19 Apr)!  shocking.gif

At this kind of time, frequency restack? So freaking last minute??? They last minute get approval due to the third phase of MCO is it?  dry.gif
I wonder how come MYTV Broadcasting's didn't announce this on Facebook page at all. Not even on their website. Yet, another round of last minute chaos is coming soon.

Current Frequencies:
Mux 1: CH47 682MHz
Mux 2: CH49 698MHz

New Frequencies:
Mux 1: CH45 666MHz
Mux 2: CH43 650MHz


Johor Bahru is the only region in entire Malaysia that changes both Mux 1 and Mux 2 frequencies.
So, if by the time you're reading this, and you're already unable to receive all Malaysia DTT channels out of a sudden, just perform manual search on this 2 frequencies.

If you previously having difficulties receiving Malaysia DTT channels, try receive it with the new frequencies starting 19 or 20 April. Who knows, signal readings might improve.
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Mcmc not taking any action against them for this ?
During MCO go and change frequency, like this people can’t watch if they don’t know how to retune.... even worse for condo

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post Apr 18 2020, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 17 2020, 11:15 PM)
Johor Bahru area and Bukit Bauk in Terrenganu will undergo frequency restacking exercise

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When, you ask? It's Tomorrow (18 Apr) and day after tomorrow (19 Apr)!  shocking.gif

At this kind of time, frequency restack? So freaking last minute??? They last minute get approval due to the third phase of MCO is it?  dry.gif
I wonder how come MYTV Broadcasting's didn't announce this on Facebook page at all. Not even on their website. Yet, another round of last minute chaos is coming soon.

Current Frequencies:
Mux 1: CH47 682MHz
Mux 2: CH49 698MHz

New Frequencies:
Mux 1: CH45 666MHz
Mux 2: CH43 650MHz


Johor Bahru is the only region in entire Malaysia that changes both Mux 1 and Mux 2 frequencies.
So, if by the time you're reading this, and you're already unable to receive all Malaysia DTT channels out of a sudden, just perform manual search on this 2 frequencies.

If you previously having difficulties receiving Malaysia DTT channels, try receive it with the new frequencies starting 19 or 20 April. Who knows, signal readings might improve.
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Just wonderring, is there any advantage between manual scan and auto scan? I once guided someone over the phone to perform search, and find it's easier asking them to do auto instead of searching the frequency one after another.
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post Apr 18 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 18 2020, 11:08 AM)
Just wonderring, is there any advantage between manual scan and auto scan? I once guided someone over the phone to perform search, and find it's easier asking them to do auto instead of searching the frequency one after another.
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Obviously Auto Scan is much easier to do so, provided if you can received a reliable signal for both multiplex on your antenna (typically outdoor antenna, which gives more stable and reliable reception) as you don't have to remember any frequencies at all.

Manual searching may be harder for less technical people to do since you have to remember both frequencies available in your area (typically 666 and 650MHz in most of Peninsular Malaysia), more than two if you wish to receive foreign DTT services (if available) in your area. However, if you cannot get one or both multiplexes after numerous scanning attempts, (if you are using Indoor antenna) manual scanning is the best way to go as you can reposition your antenna to get a sweet spot on your indoor antenna for both TV multiplexes when done manually (signal strength and quality could be seen on TV, which at here the recommended levels of signal strength is more than 70% and for signal quality 100% for a smooth picture). If indoor reception isn't possible even after attempts on antenna positioning, it is then recommended to use an outdoor antenna instead.
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post Apr 18 2020, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 18 2020, 02:10 AM)
Yes. When I see this, I was like....  doh.gif  doh.gif  mega_shok.gif  mega_shok.gif  mega_shok.gif
This MYTV Broadcasting ah... Happened many times in the past already, until now still won't learn a lesson? Suka suka last minute change frequency.
I just got to know about this just few hours ago, seriously.

Or is it because, "since majority of JB people would watching Singapore channels, and Malaysian channels don't really matter them much, so change frequency at once also doesn't matter much."
Even so, they should be more responsible a bit lor...

Also, soon JB area will uses the same 666MHz and 650MHz frequency/channel number that is also used in quite many areas around Peninsular Malaysia, including Klang Valley.

Btw how's the DTT reception at your place now? What's the status now?
Is 666MHz and 650MHz up already?
And how's Indonesia's analogue TV reception?

Are you still using your apartment's centralised antenna? You didn't thought of buying a JP-5E or something, and place it near your TV or somewhere?
Who knows you can get all 3 country's DTT channels.  biggrin.gif
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As on now, Channels 45 (666mhz) and 43 (650mhz) for my area still have some levels of analogue TV signal from RCTI anda Trans TV, despite the very weak signal. 682 and 698mhz could be still received for now. The centralised antenna is still used for the moment and Indonesian digital TV is too weak (what I heard it, 300w) to get in my area. Currently there is no plans for investing outdoor antenna due to precautious financial situation but will get one if financially stable. There are some difficulty getting analogue radio from Indonesia too in my area.

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post Apr 18 2020, 02:57 PM

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They are still determined to clear the top end of the 600 MHz block to allow the 700 MHz 5G late this year
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post Apr 19 2020, 11:42 AM

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As on now, the muxes on 682 and 698MHz in JB area remained operational and there is no interference on RCTI and Trans TV transmission. Since the retune information isn't published at all on official social media/webpage of MYTV Broadcasting, I assumed that the retune will still be done in the future, but after the end of MCO period (which we won't know when it will end).

MYTV had assumed that the MCO will be completed at 14 April back then and was than planned for the retune on 17-19 April. It is simply too risky to retune during these times as some will be completely cut off from the latest information for Coronavirus and also nobody can give help for retuning these sets.


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post Apr 21 2020, 06:58 PM

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Malaysia’s MYTV Selects Skyline Communications’ DataMiner for Operational Management
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2020/04/20/mala...nal-management/
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...MYTV has the huge responsibility to carry out the national agenda, which is to provide uninterrupted free-to-air digital TV services to the Malaysian viewers, free of charge.
Oh really? How ironic. dry.gif dry.gif
How well do you think you've carried out your responsibility properly to the people as a sole digital TV infrastructure and operations company in informing all viewers in any technical parameter changes on the channels, especially changes in transmitting frequencies, without sufficient early notices given to the mass public? And, no proper communications to all MATV installers until someone complains?
You expect every single Malaysians to know how to perform auto/manual search so easily just like how to turn on a TV?
Is that your definition of "uninterrupted free-to-air digital TV services to the Malaysian viewers"? dry.gif

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post Apr 21 2020, 11:02 PM

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Not sure how the MYTV box function but I know my previous TV (Panasonic EX600) and current TV (LG C9) had function for auto update the Programme List, they is no required of re-tuning when channel frequency change. Even my 5 years ago DVB-T2 Box also have this function.

I think this Auto Programme List Update is very common and I believe most TV or DVB-T2 Box is having such function.

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post Apr 22 2020, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 21 2020, 11:02 PM)
Not sure how the MYTV box function but I know my previous TV (Panasonic EX600) and current TV (LG C9) had function for auto update the Programme List, they is no required of re-tuning when channel frequency change. Even my 5 years ago DVB-T2 Box also have this function.

I think this Auto Programme List Update is very common and I believe most TV or DVB-T2 Box is having such function.
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Recent TV sets/ DVB-T2 converter boxes do indeed have auto update function, a fairly common feature nowadays (usually enabled by the TV/boxes by default) so when a new service becomes available on DTT, the TV/converter boxes will auto pickup the changes and retune by itself as long these TVs/converter boxes could "heard" the signals from broadcasters.

However for MUX frequency changes, it is recommended to retune the TV set instead as some TV sets/converter boxes may not recognise the changes done by the broadcaster (can be caused by weak signals and more). Remember the chaos caused by MYTV when RTM channels were moving from MUX 1 to MUX 2 and also an HD upgrade for TV1, TV2 and TV Okey, until RTM was forced to introduce short term SD simulcast for TV1 and TV2 on MUX 1 (a new TV multiplex at that time which most TVs/boxes wasn't tune to it)
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Apr 22 2020, 01:53 AM)
Recent TV sets/ DVB-T2 converter boxes do indeed have auto update function, a fairly common feature nowadays (usually enabled by the TV/boxes by default) so when a new service becomes available on DTT, the TV/converter boxes will auto pickup the changes and retune by itself as long these TVs/converter boxes could "heard" the signals from broadcasters.

However for MUX frequency changes, it is recommended to retune the TV set instead as some TV sets/converter boxes may not recognise the changes done by the broadcaster (can be caused by weak signals and more). Remember the chaos caused by MYTV when RTM channels were moving from MUX 1 to MUX 2 and also an HD upgrade for TV1, TV2 and TV Okey, until RTM was forced to introduce short term SD simulcast for TV1 and TV2 on MUX 1 (a new TV multiplex at that time which most TVs/boxes wasn't tune to it)
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Sorry I didn't notice that time issue. Did not though about the MUX changes impact.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 21 2020, 11:02 PM)
Not sure how the MYTV box function but I know my previous TV (Panasonic EX600) and current TV (LG C9) had function for auto update the Programme List, they is no required of re-tuning when channel frequency change. Even my 5 years ago DVB-T2 Box also have this function.

I think this Auto Programme List Update is very common and I believe most TV or DVB-T2 Box is having such function.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Apr 22 2020, 01:53 AM)
Recent TV sets/ DVB-T2 converter boxes do indeed have auto update function, a fairly common feature nowadays (usually enabled by the TV/boxes by default) so when a new service becomes available on DTT, the TV/converter boxes will auto pickup the changes and retune by itself as long these TVs/converter boxes could "heard" the signals from broadcasters.

However for MUX frequency changes, it is recommended to retune the TV set instead as some TV sets/converter boxes may not recognise the changes done by the broadcaster (can be caused by weak signals and more). Remember the chaos caused by MYTV when RTM channels were moving from MUX 1 to MUX 2 and also an HD upgrade for TV1, TV2 and TV Okey, until RTM was forced to introduce short term SD simulcast for TV1 and TV2 on MUX 1 (a new TV multiplex at that time which most TVs/boxes wasn't tune to it)
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Mine doesn’t have it at all... got it in 2019... maybe because it’s cheap - rm60

The MYTV one is a bit flaky sometimes it won’t be able to pickup the correct channel with the correct LCN

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Apr 22 2020, 08:34 AM)
Mine doesn’t have it at all... got it in 2019... maybe because it’s cheap - rm60

The MYTV one is a bit flaky sometimes it won’t be able to pickup the correct channel with the correct LCN
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Yet MCMC advises Malaysians to buy products that is certified by SIRIM and MCMC.
Even those cheap/free MYTV branded ones isn't much of a difference compared to those cheap China made ones. dry.gif How irony.
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 22 2020, 01:12 PM)
Yet MCMC advises Malaysians to buy products that is certified by SIRIM and MCMC.
Even those cheap/free MYTV branded ones isn't much of a difference compared to those cheap China made ones. dry.gif How irony.
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Actually at that time( early 2019) MYTV advance is the only mcmc certified box.... definitely overpriced(cost around rm200 for 1)

Those cheap China made one cost way cheaper than that box but at that time it’s not mcmc certified( now the newer version from the same seller got mcmc already, from picture, same model just stamp mcmc+ myfreeview logo only )

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Apr 22 2020, 08:34 AM)
Mine doesn’t have it at all... got it in 2019... maybe because it’s cheap - rm60

The MYTV one is a bit flaky sometimes it won’t be able to pickup the correct channel with the correct LCN
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That time I buy around RM 150 if not wrong, the signal quality is weak compare with TV bundle one.

Panasonic TV signal is the strongest where always 100%. LG wise slightly weak, signal around 80% to 90%.
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There is no standard to what the signal and quality scales actually mean, so comparing across brands means nothing
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QUOTE(dayojah @ Apr 22 2020, 10:23 PM)
There is no standard to what the signal and quality scales actually mean, so comparing across brands means nothing
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I know they is no standard on it but it still kind of similar, when I using that cheap box, my image is breaking or lost like hell. When using Panasonic freaking smooth and never lost signal before, when using LG, image happen stuttering few times. This behavior proof Panasonic did have freaking strong signal.

I am using same antenna in same location never touch.

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QUOTE(dayojah @ Apr 22 2020, 10:23 PM)
There is no standard to what the signal and quality scales actually mean, so comparing across brands means nothing
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How about -dBm readings shown in signal meters? What "unit" of readings is more accurate and universal to determine signal strength/quality?

QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 22 2020, 10:31 PM)
I know they is no standard on it but it still kind of similar, when I using that cheap box, my image is breaking or lost like hell. When using Panasonic  freaking smooth and never lost signal before, when using LG, image happen stuttering few times. This behavior proof Panasonic did have freaking strong signal.

I am using same antenna in same location never touch.
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Because different receivers/tuners have different capability of correcting data errors. Some can correct data errors better, while some not so.
Or, some build quality of the receiving tuners are simply better than the other.

Are you using the coaxial RG-6 cable to connect to the antenna, instead of the old 3C-2V cable? Do you use any signal booster?
What is your area and state?
Also, post a photo of your outdoor antenna.

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 23 2020, 01:10 AM)
How about -dBm readings shown in signal meters? What "unit" of readings is more accurate and universal to determine signal strength/quality?

Because different receivers/tuners have different capability of correcting data errors. Some can correct data errors better, while some not so.
Or, some build quality of the receiving tuners are simply better than the other.

Are you using the coaxial RG-6 cable to connect to the antenna, instead of the old 3C-2V cable? Do you use any signal booster?
What is your area and state?
Also, post a photo of your outdoor antenna.
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I am using 3C-2V cable, no signal booster. It is outdoor antenna.

So far it is ok, I can received all Malaysia and Singapore Channel at around 80% signal range show by the TV and the shuttering is very less happening, it happen 2 to 3 times only in Singapore channel since I use LG C9 which around 2 months already.

It never happen before when using Panasonic EX600 and signal show 100%.

It happen badly when using china brand DVB-T2 box connected to my old Sony TV previously.

Not plan to change the cable since it is functioning very well and I seldom watch TV channel also.

I can received all Singapore channel, you should know where am I already. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(joshhd @ Apr 23 2020, 01:10 AM)
How about -dBm readings shown in signal meters? What "unit" of readings is more accurate and universal to determine signal strength/quality?

Because different receivers/tuners have different capability of correcting data errors. Some can correct data errors better, while some not so.
Or, some build quality of the receiving tuners are simply better than the other.....

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dBm is an absolute measurement, the accuracy of this measurement may be poor, these decoders are not lab equipment.

Some brands will work on weaker and more degraded signals than other - better ICs, optional components and attention to good design

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