well i understand what your trying to show/say, but then we are people/humans we look @ history , and we tend to compare from there...

on your other posts about iburst technology, there have been great reviews OVERSEA.. but remember its OVERSEA with different people implementing it, there are two kinds of business..

1. make money
2. provide a proper service to the country..

based on history and all, for malaysia is mostly point no.1 , but we all can argue over this.. but then let's wait and let the customer/subscriber share their experience

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Added on October 16, 2007, 8:26 pmyeah true they can't take a public holiday as an excuse.. if they learn PM, they should know to include such days into their deployment..
if its technical reasons i'm willing to forgive, as i have done technical network based implementation so i understand sometimes..

certain things needs to be configured differently ..

another thing on another matter.. the so called wimax.. until today there is no news what so ever.. when we are promised its deployment end of this year November is coming and we are all waiting and waiting..


This post has been edited by JinXXX: Oct 16 2007, 08:26 PM

Fine , we can give and take if its for Public Holiday. They are humans just like us. Next up we have the technical problem , now sometimes setting up the base station and things could be tedious work. I know , Trust me.I've been through setting up networks in few places. Its like being Macgyver (well not really, I can't say it ). We are humans after all

P.S - Not really big places...just small ones..hehehehe

I am not sure about WiMax. No use yet. The last I've heard from a friend of mine who is into local telecos said that they are testing WiMax in certain locations and they are quite impressed with it. TM might roll out WiMax. This would be a good news for those in Sabah and in Sarawak as well (and even in the Peninsula)

This post has been edited by prasys: Oct 16 2007, 10:48 PM

does TM even has license for WIMAX ? last i heard they didn't won the bidding cause the so called "MCMC" gave smaller players
cause want to make more competition

eg packetone , redtone's subsidary and 2 more others which i forgot...

well... basicly wimax is out of the question....Look at the price comparison chart...
 cost_comparison.pdf ( 356.72k ) Number of downloads: 100

hi, i am interested in izzi but am bit worried bout the a year subscription fees that we have to pay upfront (or mthly installment using credit card). i mean what if the company just go bankrupt or somehow the service is terminated suddenly due to unforeseen reasons.. isn't it bit risky? well, unlike other isp (TM, maxis etc) though there's like a 18 or even 24 mths contract we are bonded to, yet we are paying up to the mth we are using their service, if they were to be declared bankruptcy (or any events that would lead to service discontinuation) in a particular mth, we wont be loosing the remaining fees that we ought to pay comparing the one with izzi that we have to pay all upfront a year long.. i guess all this boils down to the fact that i am not as confident with this newly established company izzinet as compared to some reputable (or notorious) market players like TM or maxis.. or is it MCMC gonna subsidized in refunding should the worst case scenario happen? doubt it... or it's just a risk that izzi subscribers have to take..? take it or leave it..?

MCMC going to compensate you if the company goes bankrupt? What country or world are you living in dude?

If you have no confidence, don't subscribe. Simple as that. Duh...

You are right in that there are no guarantees. If Izzi goes bottoms-up, it will be a long and probably fruitless process to get back the balance of the subscription fee.

To note however:
- Mobif is a MESDAQ listed company, and according to their 2006 Annual report, they are in the black.
- They have invested in 42 towers and other core infrastructure, which is not a small expense.
- They have also invested in a sales and support network
- They have so far done what they said they would do (with the exception of the delay in last 4 towers)

Given all of this, it doesn't look like the company is going to evaporate overnight.

... and let's get some perspective... it's just a few hundred ringgit. Not pocket change, but not like buying a house either!

thanks guys for the insights, appreciate it! will hav more points to convince my housemates now

misaki, just to correct the misunderstanding.

izzi policy is to charge u based on AFTER ur usage. for example. once u subscribed to izzinet iburst, u dun get charge until the 30th day usage, so ur not charged upfront but the opposite. u r charged of 2nd time after 60days usage like tht. reason is tht they dont wan complicated payment policy of hvg receive upfront so they adopted the pay per usage (day) basis.

in addition, the credit card is auto debit by the bank. if they run away, ur only paid for the days u;ve used for, sounds fair. if ur in ur 2nd month usage , they wont take away all the other 10 months if they run, its protected by bank credit card policy as part of installment scheme sthg like tht. its wht auto debit is for.

I have been using Jaring Wireless for 2 years and I have been having my share of (wireless) problems. The Soma port is an old technology much similar to Webbit - its RF based. That is proprietary and so far does not seem to have any simple upgrade path to newer technology (re: faster speeds). It baffles me why Jaring chose to go such a route. Webbit is dead long ago.

IZZI is 4G which is another term for WiLAN and it sure beats 3.5G HSDPA hands down. HSDPA is good PROVIDED ONLY if used alone and the ISP only provides HSDPA service. Trouble is when ISP / operators mix HSDPA and 3G and EDGE etc and voice calls. Voice calls are ALWAYS given preference everytime especially during festive seasons or important events, data calls are dropped by the operator/ISP to ensure good quality voice for phone calls. IZZI is only providing data (voice over ip) and treats all users the same - there are no preferential band of users as compared to mobile calls.

I am not affliated with IZZI - I was at Low Yat today and spoke to the sales person for almost 1 hour on technical and monetary issues. Because the cost of the modem is high, they wanted you to pay 1 year up front. Also, they will refund fully if you return unit within 1 week if you find download/uploads poor. Also they claim not to cap on total bandwidth usage and do not restrict bit torrents.

is that true ? tmnuts also said the same thing.. high speed.. but it seems the speed sucks...

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...obif-(Q207).xls

Too bad in the latest quarterly report they are in the red

they have limit dl bandwidth ?
like maxis broadband one month only can dl 3GB ~

Traceroute from a Streamyx user to iZZi website.
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Target Name: www.izzi.com.my
IP: 116.206.0.37
Date/Time: 10/17/2007 10:14:44 PM

1 N/A N/A N/A [-]
2 17 ms 51 ms 79 ms [219.93.216.29]
3 17 ms 34 ms 49 ms [210.187.129.131]
4 16 ms 17 ms 20 ms [210.187.129.138]
5 17 ms 18 ms 66 ms [58.27.101.37]
6 N/A N/A 36 ms [210.187.142.1]
7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms [219.93.151.107]
8 19 ms 18 ms 20 ms [219.94.9.102]
9 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms [202.76.224.30]
10 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms [202.76.224.49]
11 23 ms 20 ms 19 ms [202.76.239.20]
12 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms [116.206.0.3]
13 20 ms 21 ms 22 ms izzi.com.my [116.206.0.37]

Ping statistics for www.izzi.com.my
Packets: Sent = 3, Received = 3, Lost = 0 (0.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 22ms, Average = 21ms
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I don't think it'll be a fully refund as they will deduct some for their Administration fee. I think it is about RM75.00. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I will ditch my Celcom 3G D68 plan once iZZi covers the WHOLE Malaysia (Including Sabah & Sarawak). For me, this is the benchmark to see whether they capable of managing competitions as well as strong business developement ethics.

This post has been edited by dgtel2: Oct 17 2007, 10:36 PM

Heh... you are skeptical about this arent you... but i have good faith that it will not cover the whole of malaysia... Face the fact.. even streamyx does not cover the whole of malaysia as a cable broadband service provider... And the administration fees is RM180. the admin fees is for those who do not want the service within a week.

And i believe that they will boom in November and december if my prediction is correct... Look at their resellers... they are even attached to CNI which is a local direct selling company. I wonder plans they gave to them... or maybe just another resellers like Broadband2u.com

Tried out their connection via speedtest.net at lowyat (izzi booth) today, 42kb/s down and 30kb/s. The sales-lady says she will bring me outside lowyat if i really want to test their connection speed (outside for what?), also reiterated that we are surrounded by tall buildings and other interfering radio frequencies like cell-phones and static (-.-').

Told her my usage is in enclosed building parameter (-.-' again) around northern Damansara (LDP toll area), she replied that she will include a free anthenna for me as a temporary relief and her main point is that a new kepong base-station will be up and running by end of this month, 31 October (i doubt) which will cover areas as far as LDP and Sri Damansara area.

Asked her about bandwidth availability to support, she quickly regurgitated that each base-station on the coverage zone can support 1 million users (i am not kidding, that is what she told me, but she missed the point of my question). I have to use another method to explain my question, stating to her that 'yes, you have 1 million (dunno true or not) large pipes, but will it have enough water(bandwidth) to be given out evenly to everyone?' she said 'yes, and everyone will get at least 1mb/s if you download outdoors...' (LMAO, in disbelief)

Then i asked about the pricing for each of the package, she told me no need upfront if using credit card. I asked her about any other hidden charges or cost, she said no, but the device(pmcia card, modem, anthenna..bla) will fully be mine to keep after six month cause i am buying it via the monthly fees.

Up to this point, i am fully aware that izzi will really face a tough time very soon...but good to keep the iburst device after six month cause it is usable in other countries which have the iburst coverage.

This post has been edited by Cyclohelix: Oct 18 2007, 01:33 AM

each base station can support up to 1 million users? i doubt that cos i've been told only can support up to 100 users per station.more than that then the speed will slow. i've subscribe to this izzi since september. At that time, speedtest.net average 800-900kbps, but now only 400-500 kbps. so if let say 1 million users per station,how come my speed getting slower? i cant believe in 1 month time my area got 1 million users.
call their customer service, they said my base station got problem these few days. wtf, already a few weeks la man.

This post has been edited by kajika81: Oct 18 2007, 02:26 AM

lol.... what a big joke about that sales girl... I believe she is given limited resource to answer your questions... Perhaps you should be asking the technical support about that answer... and how can 1 tower support 1 million user.... there are only about 25 million ppl in Malaysia...(Correct me if i am wrong)
Sometimes sales person will do anything just to get the sales... i hate those sales ppl if they do...

Their whole sales team is quite new.
Even those who came to my office yesterday did not have more than 1 month working experience.

At least she knows that each basestation can support up to 500 users only.