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 Wahed Invest Malaysia, Good, Ok2, Bad?

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rocketm
post Jan 17 2020, 04:49 AM

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Seem existed to join.

How long does it take the company need to process and approve me to join?
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post Jan 17 2020, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(jerrywan @ Jan 17 2020, 08:36 AM)
My timeline:
15jan-completed account setup+uplod all req docs+depo rm100 straight away
16jan-account setup succesful.waiting to receive fund
17jan morning-received my fund in wahed acc

So approx.. 2 working days..same as the FAQs told us
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post Apr 15 2020, 09:59 PM

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Hey,

I have some questions.

My initial placement is RM100 and until now I did not make any deposit. The main page is showing this:

Today I have = RM122.71
I have earned = RM -17.12
Percentage gains = -11.8%

So, I am gain RM22.71 (RM122.71 - RM100) or loss 11.8% actually ?

In the positions page, my sukuk fund is RHB Islamic Bond Fund. When I clicked on the round icon with exclamation mark, it stated that this fund perfomance is -3.04% (6 month), 3.17% (1 year) and 72.84% (2020)

When I check online regarding this fund, I cannot match it anything with -3.04% and 3.17%. Why should info of 2010? Is it old data and just a display?

What does the 6 months and 1 year means? The best performance for 6 month and 1 year since this fund inception?

Actually what makes Wahed and StashAway different? Both of them invest in US fund, ETF, fees about the same. Just Wahed invest in Malaysia and US while SA quite spread to other countries.

Wahed is having gold investment now. What is your opinion, what is the prospect of gold in the future?

If not mistake, the gold investment is the same in my position, TradePlus Shariah Gold Tracker.

What I think is that the new one is purely gold tracker investment while the one in my or other user position is just a small portion only.
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post Apr 15 2020, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Assassin's @ Apr 15 2020, 11:51 PM)
If you registered Wahed account with a referral code, you should get a RM40 cash bonuses. You can check this by clicking on the blue text "earned" on the Overview page.

So when you calculate the total (RM100 + RM40 - Wahed Fees), you lose 11.8%
Its supposed to be the performance from 6 months / 1 year before until today. But I think its using outdated info.

If you want to check the performance in detail, better go check at Bursa / Bloomberg instead of on the app.

MyETF-US50 : https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...ock_code=0827EA
MyETF-MMID : https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...ock_code=0824EA
TradePlus Shariah Gold Tracker : https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...ock_code=0828EA
RHB Islamic Bond : https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/RHBIBND:MK
Wahed US ETF (MyETF US50) is a Malaysia-based ETF which holds US stocks and is listed and traded on Bursa, while SA US ETF is oversea based ETF (IVV).

The MyETF US50 only holds around 50 company stock from the SP500 that are syariah-compliant while IVV holds all of the SP500 company stock.
Gold is at an all-time high now, so I don't think its a good idea to go in now.
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Thanks for your explanation.

I hope you can guide me how they calculate the percentage gains of -11.8%

I press on the earned blue words, it display

Total balance RM 122.71
Total earnings RM-17.12
Wahed fee RM0.17
Cash bonuses RM40
I have earned RM-17.29

What I know is that the RM-17.89 is from RM140 - RM122.71
I have calculated the loss is RM12.35 [(122.71-140)/140]


I know that invest in long term will perform better especially if we CDA it. But, will it be the same positive result, when we want to cash out this investment at the time we are having serious disease when we are old? Coincidentally, the market is not well perform, does our investment will not give us a positive result? Because the amount of money we have invested, we need to make sure it will generate some result to us.
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post Apr 16 2020, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(Assassin's @ Apr 16 2020, 02:45 AM)
The percentage return is using time-weighted return. It's a bit hard to calculate it exactly since we need the daily gains/loss info to calculate it, which you can only get on the monthly statement (you can access by clicking the top left triple line button > Account Details > Under "My investment account" click Regular > Monthly statements). Each month statement is released after the end of the month.

https://www.oldschoolvalue.com/tutorial/tim...io-performance/

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I personally don't think Wahed is a good vehicle for long-term investment as it doesn't have a solid reputation like EPF/ASB. I would maybe keep my money at Wahed for 1-2 years, then cash out and transfer the money somewhere safer. If I'm happy with the returns I get from Wahed, then I will restart from 0 and put my money little by little all over again.

And you definitely shouldn't expect to always get positive return with Wahed as all of its investment portfolio (stock, bond, gold) all have history of going down in prices, unlike EPF/ASB returns which have never went negative.
That's why it's important that you only invest in the market with money that you are prepared to lose. If you want to have an investment with better returns than EPF/ASB, then you have to take risk.

If you lose your money, learn what mistake you made and try again with the hopes that you can earn back your losses in the future. If you gain money, then set a reasonable expectation on how much gain you are happy with and cash out when you reach that gain. Don't get too greedy by dreaming for a better return in the future as you can never know when the market will turn. Even if the market does end up higher, be happy that you reach your goal for that investment.
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Thanks for the explanation and advise. Appreciate that.
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post Apr 17 2020, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 16 2020, 10:15 PM)
Sorry to ask if this kind of volume for the said ETF in Wahed is considered normal?

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May I know which ETF and mind explain more? Just knowing it is dropping.

Would it be this is before the optimizing?Before that might in positive position when they decide to use this ETF.
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post May 27 2020, 08:43 PM

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Hi guys.

How is your Wahed performance?

I just top up Rm100 to open this account and get RM40 after insert someone else referral code. If I do not perform any deposit and let it keep for few year or on ling term. Then my earning will be drop after being deducted the annual fee and more worse if the fund perform badly. Does my thought correct?

Does Wahed only focus on Malaysia market?

I have attended few SA webinar and I am thinking that they manage their business better and know what they have and so on. So far, I only attended 1 webinar from Wahed and based on what I remember is they talk more about US situation rather than Malaysia. I feel like it is irrelevant to me.

Does SA actually able to perform better in average consider the same risk appetite?

How do we know that Wahed has optimize our portfolio? If yes, should it always show positive figure?

I am still holding positive figure in my account and intent to jump.

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post May 31 2020, 01:14 PM

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Does the return on Wahed require to submit to personal income tax?
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post May 31 2020, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ May 31 2020, 02:25 PM)
Capital gain from equity trading including unit trust investment is not required to pay personal income tax or capital gain tax.
Unless you're a daily trader but that is somehow in grey area.
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Ok, thanks.
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post Jun 11 2020, 08:40 AM

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May I know have you receive dividend from Wahed?

Or their underlying stock does not give dividend yet?
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post Jun 11 2020, 11:09 AM

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Can I know why do you keep constant DCA?

Does this able to give us positive return in the long run?

Do you think that if we take the same amount of money and put to FD with the same tenure will we get the same amount of return?
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post Jun 11 2020, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jun 11 2020, 05:06 PM)
MyETF-MMID seems like no movement at all.

Yesterday 2% gain mainly comes from HLAL and RHB Islamic Bond Fund is giving negative return.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jun 11 2020, 05:23 PM)
finally 3.7% movement from Malaysia ETF.biggrin.gif
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Not everyone already move to US etf?
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post Jun 27 2020, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jun 27 2020, 02:34 PM)
I am talking about any transaction of buy/sell/switch or even dividend that is updated daily like in SA.
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I also encounter Wahed is slow in doing everything like deposit money into wahed account, customer service as other.

I am not a SA user. Just to know whether SA can credit our deposited money in the next day and also have fund description like what etf, current price, dividend, unit hold and etc?

How many type of etf are SA hold for 1 type of risk profile? Like in Wahed, we only have HLAL, Malaysia designated sukuk, myetf, cash, gold.


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post Jun 27 2020, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(indramerlin @ Jun 27 2020, 03:35 PM)
SA also slow like snail.. All of these robo advisor not worth it our money.. They are only relevant because of referral bonus, other than that, it is only investment for dummy..
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Really??

I thought it is a wise choice to invest in robo advisor since it is invest in etf with low fees and save our time in opening account with foreign dealer and expose to foreign currency. It is also can save our time to learn and find our what stock to invest, when to exist and enter....

I just do not sure whether it is worth to invest more money or even consistent dollar cost because my current earning is just single digit in percentage. When the time I want to exist during my old age and market is perform badly then I have to pray to die only after I close my account when the market is recover.

In this case, how many of you will stay with Wahed or any kind of investment to venture?
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post Jun 27 2020, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jun 27 2020, 03:53 PM)
It's not wise because etf invest in all share which include strongest average weakest
Why not just buy the strongest share?
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yes, etf is a basket of shares or other investment vehicles that its price follow certain index.

In this case, do you use robo advisor?
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post Jun 27 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jun 27 2020, 06:06 PM)
For the transaction time for the deposit, depends on method. i have done using two method,
1) jom pay during sunday,  Money is deposited in the next working day (Monday). Bulk of the fund (80-90%) invested in the same day.
2) direct debit, can only schedule for the next day meaning money is deposited at T+2.(as long as it falls in a working day).e.g: made the schedule on saturday,it will be deposited and invested on Monday.

For 36% risk profile portfolio, there are 8 ETF. Based on the information that i have right now, currently the portfolio is at version 4 ,so within 1.5 years that already have 4 iteration for the portfolio. Basically, the ETF and geographical allocation will change for each iteration with some overlap. Example;
1) version 3, US heavy at approx 80% ,europe at around 15%
2) version 4, US only at approx 40%, china ,gold and reit for the rest.

But you will have the option to accept or reject new iteration  or optimization they called it.

I have both version 3 and version 4 in my portfolio, as i reject the auto optimisation
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May I know are you refer to Wahed or SA?


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post Jun 29 2020, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jun 28 2020, 07:14 PM)
That is for SA.
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Thanks for giving me the update of SA.
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post Jul 1 2020, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ Jul 1 2020, 11:35 PM)
Submit my withdraw at profit this afternoon....(referral fee save me ohmy.gif
Hopefully will get the withdrawal amount...
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why exist? where are you heading to?
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post Jul 30 2020, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Jul 25 2020, 12:31 PM)
not bad ma higher than FD
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When want to sell at high is good but the percentage gain is not fixed, tomorrow the day after tomorrow will be drop or getting more high.
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:27 PM

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Do you guys notice that Wahed is still invest heavily on Malaysia market?

I am in Aggressive portfolio, HLAL is account 0.98-1.35 of our money while the rest is in Malaysia ETF , bond and cash.

Just wonder whether Wahed able to give us good return in long run? Are they thinking Malaysia still perform better than US market?

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