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 Wahed Invest Malaysia, Good, Ok2, Bad?

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SUSxander83
post Apr 11 2021, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(CPURanger @ Apr 11 2021, 08:07 PM)
Yes, I have tried the formula you mention before,
(203.26 / 4001.0) * 100.0 =  5.08%
The app last shows 8.10%

Somehow couldn't get 8.10.
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Did you calculate some the monthly charges as well?
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post Apr 11 2021, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 11 2021, 08:25 PM)
Did you calculate some the monthly charges as well?
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Nope.
OK, under Portfolio summary, Wahed Fees RM is 10.69. I am not sure if is fees per month.

Let's just say, RM10 fees per month
I started from August to March, it's 8 months
8 months * 10 = RM 80

((203.26 + 80.0) / 4001.0) * 100.0 = 7.07%

Probably some other fee involve or fees is different every month hmm.gif . Anyway just curious, how the percentage is calculated.


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post Apr 11 2021, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(CPURanger @ Apr 11 2021, 09:24 PM)
Nope.
OK, under Portfolio summary, Wahed Fees RM is 10.69. I am not sure if is fees per month.

Let's just say, RM10 fees per month
I started from August to March, it's 8 months
8 months * 10 = RM 80

((203.26 + 80.0) / 4001.0) * 100.0 = 7.07%

Probably some other fee involve or fees is different every month  hmm.gif . Anyway just curious, how the percentage is calculated.
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The other 1% gain is through Forex gain in your case in HLAL ETF

You better check when you invest lumpsum or DCA the entire amount is actually invested because i think they the cash portion should be calculated as gain

Hence the actual invested out of 4001 should be 3961 invested

Actual gain after fees is 6.14 with 0.8 as fees and 1% cash on hand plus 0.2 a small forex gain


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post Apr 13 2021, 03:17 PM

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I think they used time-weighted rate of return. please google and use the formula for time-weighted rate of return. its not straight away calculations...




QUOTE(CPURanger @ Apr 11 2021, 08:07 PM)
Yes, I have tried the formula you mention before,
(203.26 / 4001.0) * 100.0 =  5.08%
The app last shows 8.10%

Somehow couldn't get 8.10.
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post Apr 14 2021, 12:12 PM

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I was trying to calculate their fees as well but due to I was doing DCA, it was hard and confusing to do so. Anyway, my fees for last month was around RM4++ for management of around RM10k.

I think it will eat up profit in long term, especially since it relies on only HLAL unless HLAL keep going up.
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Saw this on my wahed when I wanted to updated recurring transaction.
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post May 5 2021, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(sarah0601 @ May 4 2021, 11:21 PM)
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Saw this on my wahed when I wanted to updated recurring transaction.
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how much is the charge?
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post May 5 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(cdiq90 @ May 5 2021, 11:23 AM)
how much is the charge?
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Not sure; I can't find info on these. And when I confirm for this month, it does not say anything as well.
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post May 5 2021, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(sarah0601 @ May 5 2021, 01:40 PM)
Not sure; I can't find info on these. And when I confirm for this month, it does not say anything as well.
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They replied my email when I enquire about it.

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QUOTE(footie_ft @ Apr 14 2021, 12:12 PM)
I was trying to calculate their fees as well but due to I was doing DCA, it was hard and confusing to do so. Anyway, my fees for last month was around RM4++ for management of around RM10k.

I think it will eat up profit in long term, especially since it relies on only HLAL unless HLAL keep going up.
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Invest RM 10K & management fee RM 4++ , they charge so much ? hmm.gif
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post May 5 2021, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ May 5 2021, 03:57 PM)
Invest RM 10K & management fee RM 4++ , they charge so much ? hmm.gif
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Their charges is 0.79% per year which is around RM79 per year. Dependent on only HLAL and the fee can easily eat into the gain.
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QUOTE(footie_ft @ May 5 2021, 04:44 PM)
Their charges is 0.79% per year which is around RM79 per year. Dependent on only HLAL and the fee can easily eat into the gain.
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just surprise you said RM 4++ management fee for RM10k investment.

Only HLAL can generate profit, invest 3 funds only 1 fund working, that why i withdraw all beginning of year.
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post May 5 2021, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(cdiq90 @ May 5 2021, 03:11 PM)
They replied my email when I enquire about it.

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RM 1 is really high rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 5 2021, 04:56 PM)
RM 1 is really high  rclxub.gif
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Because Wahed taken hit on FX hence FPX charges just to cover their cost on FX conversion

Good luck to them getting new investors as the year should lower expense ratio and charge FPX instead to cover their costs doh.gif
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post May 5 2021, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ May 5 2021, 04:54 PM)
just surprise you said RM 4++ management fee for RM10k investment.

Only HLAL can generate profit, invest 3 funds only 1 fund working, that why i withdraw all beginning of year.
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Yea. Am planning to withdraw too. I guess I have given it ample time.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 5 2021, 05:21 PM)
Because Wahed taken hit on FX hence FPX charges just to cover their cost on FX conversion

Good luck to them getting new investors as the year should lower expense ratio and charge FPX instead to cover their costs  doh.gif
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How much can this RM1 cover? Probably many of their users doing deposit every minute maybe. Really turn away customers.
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post May 5 2021, 09:33 PM

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i will be exiting wahed seeing since they are going to start charging fpx fees
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Looks like Wahed and Akru has decided to hug each other and jump off a cliff.
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post May 6 2021, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 5 2021, 09:07 PM)
How much can this RM1 cover? Probably many of their users doing deposit every minute maybe. Really turn away customers.
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If you don’t think it is a lot in fact it is a lot

For every deposit assuming rm100 each it itself 1% you can’t guesstimate

Just like BigPay to reload in 711 2% on top on charges which already close 3%

They already turning the customer and whatever their marketing gonna do it is waste of money and time


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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 6 2021, 01:05 AM)
If you don’t think it is a lot in fact it is a lot

For every deposit assuming rm100 each it itself 1% you can’t guesstimate

Just like BigPay to reload in 711 2% on top on charges which already close 3%

They already turning the customer and whatever their marketing gonna do it is waste of money and time
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yeap. just done my full withdrawal. porting everything to Stashaway

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