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post Jul 10 2007, 10:05 AM, updated 19y ago

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Asian Manufacturers About RRoD: Microsoft is too Cheap
>> From smarthouse.com.au:
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Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division, declined in an interview to say what specifically caused the failures or how high the failure rate has been, but Asian manufacturers of the Xbox 360 who have been pressured by Microsoft to lower costs by as much as 15% say that the problem is caused by poor Microsoft design and the Company buying low cost components in an effort to beat Sony.

Recently Microsoft adopted various strategies to be more cost competitive with its Xbox 360 game consoles, with moves including asking for a price reduction from Taiwan-based component makers and working with Lite-On IT for its add-on HD-DVD drive, according to sources in Taiwan.

One Asian manufacturer that SmartHouse spoke to on Friday said "Microsoft have known of this problem for a long time. They are trying to blame component manufacturers but it was a combination of bad design and them (Microsoft) wanting everything cheap. This is what caused the problem along with them wanting to beat Sony to market. A lot of manufacturers were pushed to deliver components without much testing of the components working together inside the console".
source taken from xbox scene website.

let me know if there is any discussion on this before if have i will closed it..

i can officially call microsoft cheap a** company....as their dont care about consumer but only money vmad.gif

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post Jul 10 2007, 10:08 AM

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laugh.gif I've posted that yesterday...yeah cheap ass M$....
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post Jul 10 2007, 10:22 AM

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post Jul 10 2007, 10:33 AM

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stupid M$ give cheap thing to us... fuker la... cam nie ke kempeni besor kat dunia buat untung... hmm cam nie boleh buat bangkrap kempeni ... tongue.gif.. tapi bill gates kaya takkan bankrap nyer.. smile.gif

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post Jul 10 2007, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(samurai20 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:33 AM)
stupid M$ give cheap thing to us... fuker la... cam nie ke kempeni besor kat dunia buat untung... hmm cam nie boleh buat bangkrap kempeni ... tongue.gif.. tapi bill gates kaya takkan bankrap nyer.. smile.gif
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laugh.gif baru ko tau M$ tu fuker.....aku dah lama tau....tu sebab aku tuuuut(censored)..x360 aku tu..sbb aku tau Bill Gates takkan bankrap punyer.....
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QUOTE(tot31 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:58 AM)
laugh.gif baru ko tau M$ tu fuker.....aku dah lama tau....tu sebab aku tuuuut(censored)..x360 aku tu..sbb aku tau Bill Gates takkan bankrap punyer.....
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It is really bad experience owning a 360, its not about the money problem but when u buy someting with ur hard earn cash but screw up after 1 month. Don't know what to say. My experience with PS1 and PS2 never got such problem. We were given sub standard products and have to bear all the risk.
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QUOTE(avatar99 @ Jul 10 2007, 11:22 AM)
It is really bad experience owning a 360, its not about the money problem but when u buy someting with ur hard earn cash but screw up after 1 month. Don't know what to say. My experience with PS1 and PS2 never got such problem. We were given sub standard products and have to bear all the risk.
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heeeemmmm ...just heard about ur ANAchip problem from tot flex.gif ....hmmm sorry...and i do feel regret too...relex bro...mungkin takde rezeki kot...as i said FCUK LA M$ vmad.gif mad.gif

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post Jul 10 2007, 11:46 AM

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Believe it or not, every single console ever manufactured (except Nintendo consoles) are subject to hardware faults due to cheap parts. Many companies would love to have a low overhead and maximum profits. For every single happy PS1 or PS2 owner, there will always be unhappy owners (like me). Call it bad luck or whatever, but the fact remains that faulty (cheap) hardware are not going away soon.

Nintendo consoles are among the most quality electronic devices you will ever encounter. Barring misuse, abuse, or accidents, most console owners will agree that Nintendo consoles are built for keeps, not throw-aways. There's always something about a console that says "made in Japan" at the back of the console, and not China, Indonesia, Mexico or Macau...
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post Jul 10 2007, 11:54 AM

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off topic : waaa tot suda beli ps3 kah? ko bile lagi mayat hehe
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post Jul 10 2007, 11:55 AM

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Every electronic products sure will have defects but M$ is the worst lar, 30% return rate is really bad. Most of the ppl who are getting 3ROD are within short time (not even a yr of ownership) and this is totally sucks.

Try to ask any PS2 owners and only 2% of them got defected products which is acceptable in the industry.
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post Jul 10 2007, 12:27 PM

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ye lor.. i buy my PS2.. in year 2001 i think.. till now.. still dont have problem.. & PS1 (when im study at University i think around 1997).. still dont have rpoblem... that what i call Quantity + Price + Good game.. but.. 360.. arhh donno what to say la.. the most worst gaming console + lots good game = 3ROD + WTF......

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QUOTE(samurai20 @ Jul 10 2007, 12:27 PM)
ye lor.. i buy my PS2.. in year 2001 i think.. till now.. still dont have problem.. & PS1 (when im study at University i think around 1997).. still dont have rpoblem... that what i call Quantity + Price + Good game.. but.. 360.. arhh donno what to say la.. the most worst gaming console + lots good game =  3ROD + WTF......
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laugh.gif nice combo there...WTF
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My ps2 been working straight 5 years without any replacements or service. Damn good SONY.
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post Jul 10 2007, 12:48 PM

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ye lor.. my xbox1 ( i sold to jugde) still ok wat.... hmm dono why 360 new machine like.. pompuan.. byk mende.. nak kena buat... arhh better pompuan lagi kot.. smile.gif
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post Jul 10 2007, 02:08 PM

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That's why Uncle Bill is richer and richer and we gamers are poorer and poorer. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif By the way, any electronic products made from Taiwan tak boleh guna punya. Can throw into trash bin. Why don't they just maunufacture from Korea. Damn stupid business tactic. Guess we Asian are cheap to them, you piece of trash!!! vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif We have to pay every content available in the markerplace still give us this type of crap. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif Thanks Microsoft!!!
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hmm, i wonder if those 360 devkits also have the same quality hardware components.

haha, just imagine programmers rushing/crunching to finish up the latest 360 games for Fall release and all their devkits also 3RL! tongue.gif ask cliffyB to record his call to Indian call centre for (3 years) warranty on his 3RL devkit.
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bcuz ps1 and ps2 are not Next Gen Consoles...u need to know that too.. sweat.gif
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post Jul 10 2007, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Rocky @ Jul 10 2007, 02:08 PM)
That's why Uncle Bill is richer and richer and we gamers are poorer and poorer. vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif By the way, any electronic products made from Taiwan tak boleh guna punya. Can throw into trash bin. Why don't they just maunufacture from Korea. Damn stupid business tactic. Guess we Asian are cheap to them, you piece of trash!!! vmad.gif vmad.gif  vmad.gif We have to pay every content available in the markerplace still give us this type of crap. shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif Thanks Microsoft!!!
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aren't most electronics made in Taiwan anyway? Korean make better product? blink.gif Even if some products that states "Made in Japan" on the outside also, once u open inside then suddenly notice some chips are made in malaysia (in general, not talking bout the 360 tongue.gif). laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ImSIEBEL @ Jul 10 2007, 02:09 PM)
bcuz ps1 and ps2 are not Next Gen Consoles...u need to know that too.. sweat.gif
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but back then, its the same thing when it comes to technologies. rite?
my friend's first batch ps2 got defected lens. he bought a 2nd and its still kicking
after been thrown, kicked, smacked countless of times for 5 years.
his gamecube died to unknown cause. bought a 2nd one also laugh.gif
my other friend's xbox was kicked once, and stopped working ever since laugh.gif
im NOT lying, this is my personal experiencelah. dont know about current gen
when ps3 price nowadays can rivals x360's.

cant say much about the 360 though since its kinda fresh, still.
hopefully will extend the 3rod abit further tongue.gif

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post Jul 10 2007, 02:24 PM

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Like I said 1-2% defects is acceptable in electronics industries but more than 30%, this is totally outrageous. Some of us maybe belong into 1-2% when owning PS1,PS2,GC,DC, etc but most of us belongs into the 30% when ownign X360...WTF....
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what bothers me what did they did with the 3rod consoles that had been
replaced by m$? they didnt suffer loss much as profit from it?

and its stupid that they didn't bother fixing it with the elite.
correct me if im wrong.

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post Jul 10 2007, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(MR.Shiney @ Jul 10 2007, 02:26 PM)
what bothers me what did they did with the 3rod consoles that had been
replaced by m$?

and its stupid that they didnt bother fixing it with the elite.
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Very easy answer it's M$ mar.....
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QUOTE(tot31 @ Jul 10 2007, 02:28 PM)
Very easy answer it's M$ mar.....
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conclusion guys? no pain .. no gain.. but still Microsoft is the BIG m@Th3r fCUk3r!! there I say it for 2nd time!!
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QUOTE(rezalida @ Jul 10 2007, 02:37 PM)
conclusion guys? no pain .. no gain.. but still Microsoft is the BIG m@Th3r fCUk3r!! there I say it for 2nd time!!
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Jadi apalagi kasi *tuuut(censored)* lah X360 ko. Masih tak paham2 lagi....muahahahha laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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alamak racun dah sampai.. tongue.gif... LARI!!!!!!!!!!!!.. yeah M$ still fuking b**** but.. the problem is... they produced good game.. arhh pain in a$$ la.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(samurai20 @ Jul 10 2007, 03:06 PM)
alamak racun dah sampai.. tongue.gif... LARI!!!!!!!!!!!!.. yeah M$ still fuking b**** but.. the problem is... the produced good game.. arhh pain in a$$ la.. laugh.gif
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The developer make goods games. Microsoft are part of the publisher only. laugh.gif not all their games are good tongue.gif

But anyway, The reason I want to ask, why take 2 years of time (research maybe? ) and then only spend the 1 Billion (what ?!? money for repairs ? or research again hmm.gif )to annouced the 3 RROD ?

I'm guessing everybody purchase xbox 360 has became Microsoft "Putih Tikus" (Lab Rat)
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laugh.gif not "Putih Tikus" lar but "Tikus Putih Yg Dah Mampos" laugh.gif laugh.gif

Added on July 10, 2007, 3:26 pm
QUOTE(samurai20 @ Jul 10 2007, 03:06 PM)
alamak racun dah sampai.. tongue.gif... LARI!!!!!!!!!!!!.. yeah M$ still fuking b**** but.. the problem is... the produced good game.. arhh pain in a$$ la.. laugh.gif
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Wei...belah lah...ko pun dah "tooot(censored)"..... muahahahhahaha...

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ye lor.. M$ think think us macam tikus lab la.. siot je.... maybe kita leh saman M$ kot.. coz using us to test fuking 360 machine.. tongue.gif...

Emm im still **tut** la.. mana ada....

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QUOTE(samurai20 @ Jul 10 2007, 03:29 PM)
ye lor.. M$ think think us macam tikus lab la.. siot je.... maybe kita leh saman M$ kot.. coz using us to test fuking 360 machine.. tongue.gif...

Emm im still **tut** la.. mana ada....
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Hahahah poyo lar ko....dah *tuuuut* tak nak ngaku...emmm bau busuk apa nie ko ken *tuuut* ker...muahahahhah
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haha.. to much **tot** is this tread.. la.. PJ will kena heart attack when he see it.. hope.. he got insuran.. laugh.gif

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apa laaa. rosak beli je la baru, banyak bunyi la korang neh. :|
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byk sangat duit nak beli ke???? no money already la... to much playing game.. if one konsol ok la......
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Suka hati kita org ler nak byk bunyi....muahahhahahaha
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haha. jgn la marah2 kawan. rosak bikin paperweight la, tak pun buat baling2 kata orang. haha.
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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jul 10 2007, 03:23 PM)
But anyway, The reason I want to ask, why take 2 years of time (research maybe? ) and then only spend the 1 Billion (what ?!? money for repairs ? or research again hmm.gif )to annouced the 3 RROD ?
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Frankly aku rasa diorang pun tak tau the exact reason. M'soft cakap design flaw, but Asian manufacturers cakap due to low quality component. I went for low quality component. Design flaw maybe what contributes to overheat, non ejectable dvd drive, or freeze. If it were design flaw it wont last more than few months. But unreadable disc, burnt chip, bent motherboard..that's component failure. Macam Mercedes pakai enjin plastik. The plastic engine will melt no matter how good were they designed.

USD 1B are for reimbursement of repair services, extension of warranty till 3 years not to mention prospect of upcoming repairs. They're bright. By not admitting the reason for this problem, they avoiding recall. That would be a disaster. Halo dah nak keluar dah ni.

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True. Asian Xbox 360 are more on Low Quality Component.

I got some units return with The famous (I can't eject my tray) and the most common my disc said is unreadable problem..

zzzz..
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it is US xbox 360 have a better quality compare to asian 360 ??
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component they bought it from asian i think
since it will be more cheap even for grade A resistor

but the best part is
MS will be join venture with lite-on to add on dvd-rom for 360
coz my machine only had this knid of prob
2 times repair and for 2 nd time change to new 1 terus from tot31
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p/s:that day at tot house...my machine show me some scary movie show...THE BLINKING OF 3ROD...luckily after restart ok tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tot31 @ Jul 10 2007, 04:39 PM)
The problem is US X360s are also made in Asian or should I say Made In China.
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QUOTE(spidercat @ Jul 10 2007, 04:44 PM)
it is US xbox 360 have a better quality compare to asian 360 ??
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Is the same actually mobo, chip resistor are from taiwan or china. so no differents anyhow.

but I never seen an asia SG set with the Benq drive. hmm.gif
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Soon you'll see all Asia set will have Lite-On/Benq drives.
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is the Liteon/Benq drives worst than the currently Samsung or Hitachi Drives??maybe this is the reason they use Liteon/Benq Drives for lowering their production cost and also prevent any modification to our xbox360 console...damn sad actually as i like xbox360 but due to this stupid reason i hate them now officially dry.gif

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because of 1 product, MS kena bash like no tomorrow

So who has switched over to MAC, linux, etc ?
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QUOTE(tot31 @ Jul 10 2007, 04:49 PM)
Soon you'll see all Asia set will have Lite-On/Benq drives.
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Jul 10 2007, 05:09 PM)
is the Liteon/Benq drives worst than the currently Samsung or Hitachi Drives??maybe this is the reason they use Liteon/Benq Drives for lowering their production cost and also prevent any modification to our xbox360 console...damn sad actually as i like xbox360 but due to this stupid reason i hate them now officially  dry.gif
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I don't think the drives got any problem. Is just that if it comes with BenQ / Liteon Drive it just show me that maybe a better xbox 360 version. laugh.gif There is one batch I didn't see anybody return yet.. which I'm still waiting...

QUOTE(munky @ Jul 10 2007, 05:18 PM)
because of 1 product, MS kena bash like no tomorrow

So who has switched over to MAC, linux, etc ?
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nobody. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jul 10 2007, 07:05 PM)
I don't think the drives got any problem. Is just that if it comes with BenQ / Liteon Drive it just show me that maybe a better xbox 360 version. laugh.gif There is one batch I didn't see anybody return yet.. which I'm still waiting...
nobody. laugh.gif
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which i pray so hard is my batch smile.gif

come on tell us.which batch was it...around which time of the month?
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QUOTE(mE_duNNo @ Jul 10 2007, 07:32 PM)
which i pray so hard is my batch smile.gif

come on tell us.which batch was it...around which time of the month?
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Manufacture Date : 2006

Month : November - December

with a very deep black colored coated bar code. If I got the image I will take it down.

AT this moment these batch not even one come back from 3 RODS.

Defects got la~. but I'm saying on 3 RODs. laugh.gif

this are referring to new units only. Not refurbish

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hey DjiNn u mean every xbox360 console u sell and u expect most of them
will return to u arr???if like that then is quite bad business for u sweat.gif maybe u can go to microsoft office and complain how bad their console is icon_idea.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jul 10 2007, 07:45 PM)
Manufacture Date : 2006

Month : November - December

with a very deep black colored coated bar code.  If I got the image I will take it down.

AT this moment these batch not even one come back from 3 RODS.

Defects got la~. but I'm saying on 3 RODs. laugh.gif

this are referring to new units only. Not refurbish
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instead of using normal DVD ROMS, I think M$ should give a free upgrade of HD DVD ROMS for X-BOX360 users. At least, that way can save their ass from getting worse and show to the xbox community some good faith. Whats more, their HD DVD ROM is the cheapest there is in the market. I'm sure in another way, it could encourage FULL HD community which is growing still.

Although Blu-ray didn't quite make a major impact, nevertheless the PS3 comes equipped with a good Blu-ray drive.....thats one smart way of promoting new ass technology. wink.gif
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Jul 10 2007, 07:47 PM)
hey DjiNn u mean every xbox360 console u sell and u expect most of them
will return to u arr???if like that then is quite bad business for u  sweat.gif  maybe u can go to microsoft office and complain how bad their console is  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif
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I don't expect them to come back. If they do come back it adds up to my database on their failure rate, what happens, how long they play, and etc etc.

is just for my own research.

no point complaining if they didn't launch here yet. So I can't do anything..
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QUOTE(cylon @ Jul 10 2007, 04:21 PM)
Frankly aku rasa diorang pun tak tau the exact reason. M'soft cakap design flaw, but Asian manufacturers cakap due to low quality component. I went for low quality component. Design flaw maybe what contributes to overheat, non ejectable dvd drive, or freeze.  If it were design flaw it wont last more than few months. But unreadable disc, burnt chip, bent motherboard..that's component failure. Macam Mercedes pakai enjin plastik. The plastic engine will melt no matter how good were they designed.

USD 1B are for reimbursement of repair services, extension of warranty till 3 years not to mention prospect of upcoming repairs. They're bright. By not admitting the reason for this problem, they avoiding recall. That would be a disaster. Halo dah nak keluar dah ni.
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Speak of the truth. I was surprise too by how Microsoft were manage to make profit out of each console sold, 100usd each if i am not mistaken.

This is definitely Microsoft fault, they want to rush Xbox360 out of the gate before PS3 so they can have a lead but they don't want to spend too much.

They are indeed avoiding for the product recall.
The manufacturing quality for xbox 1 are so much better but 360 are just too fragile.

QUOTE(munky @ Jul 10 2007, 05:18 PM)
because of 1 product, MS kena bash like no tomorrow

So who has switched over to MAC, linux, etc ?
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Hate microsoft means boycott microsoft product.
I guess it's more or less a love-hate situation.

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Well, this is juz another typical business practice from M$... e.g. Vista...
If PS3 released b4 360... M$ will suffer more. So, release it 1st, fix it later...

Juz wonder will 360 has Service Pack 1(SP1)!? brows.gif


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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jul 10 2007, 07:56 PM)
Speak of the truth. I was surprise too by how Microsoft were manage to make profit out of each console sold, 100usd each if i am not mistaken.

This is definitely Microsoft fault, they want to rush Xbox360 out of the gate before PS3 so they can have a lead but they don't want to spend too much.

They are indeed avoiding for the product recall.
The manufacturing quality for xbox 1 are so much better but 360 are just too fragile.
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Hate microsoft means boycott microsoft product.
I guess it's more or less a love-hate situation.
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Yeappp....i dont know what's their problem. They managed to get certain things out only to have it screw up later on. They came out with Intellimouse Explorer, the world's first optical mouse ( correct me if i'm wrong ) but it didn't last long. Mine broke after 3 months.

It's a love-hate relationship...only if they get it right. I'm a PS fan. But hates off to 360, one of the beautiful console ever made....and those joypad...perfect! But as i said, they screwed up. Hey they basically a software company. Probably this stupid software guys ( who mostly happens to be on top level management ) are the one having the the final say over the hardware guys. Just maybe.
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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jul 10 2007, 07:45 PM)
Manufacture Date : 2006

Month : November - December

with a very deep black colored coated bar code.  If I got the image I will take it down.

AT this moment these batch not even one come back from 3 RODS.

Defects got la~. but I'm saying on 3 RODs. laugh.gif

this are referring to new units only. Not refurbish
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i bought mine like april 07
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QUOTE(cylon @ Jul 10 2007, 08:50 PM)
Yeappp....i dont know what's their problem. They managed to get certain things out only to have it screw up later on. They came out with Intellimouse Explorer, the world's first optical mouse ( correct me if i'm wrong ) but it didn't last long. Mine broke after 3 months.
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I bought my intellimouse optical explorer in 2000, until now still using it, and it never ever gave me any problem thumbup.gif

As someone said before, hardware defects will always be there
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QUOTE(mE_duNNo @ Jul 10 2007, 10:38 PM)
ah BL ady

i bought mine like april 07
dont think its mine
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April 07 ? not purchasing date la~. manufacturing date. but anyway this one cannot be trusted yet mah.. I'm still waiting for more data.
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QUOTE(un9ku @ Jul 11 2007, 02:45 AM)
weh macha djinn so fast reach home d. lol.
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Hmmmm..just my 2 cent...not going to express my anger here eventhough I am one of the many that had been infected by 3ROD....bottom line is xbox 360 is one of the best thing that ever happened in my life....a virtual life where i happened to meet so many wonderful frens...its true ..that the quality is suck BIG TIME....but what is the other option that I do have....PS3 (I can imagine that I'll spend more time watching astro than playing the PS3 games)..and please dont mention about the quality of PS1 or PS2..or even the previous xbox.....our lives r moving forward and not the other way around....even my current nokia N95 gives a lot of headache than my first nokia model...but on the bright side....it wont stop me from buying the future model from the same company too....and I always believe that there is no perfection in life....and its not fair to blame microsoft alone as the main issue is there is no official support of xbox 360 here, at least ..that will make our ass covered for 3 years ....... notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(cylon @ Jul 10 2007, 08:50 PM)
Yeappp....i dont know what's their problem. They managed to get certain things out only to have it screw up later on. They came out with Intellimouse Explorer, the world's first optical mouse ( correct me if i'm wrong ) but it didn't last long. Mine broke after 3 months.

It's a love-hate relationship...only if they get it right. I'm a PS fan. But hates off to 360, one of the beautiful console ever made....and those joypad...perfect! But as i said, they screwed up. Hey they basically a software company. Probably this stupid software guys ( who mostly happens to be on top level management ) are the one having the the final say over the hardware guys. Just maybe.
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I think it's not hardware or software guy fault.
It's marketing & the finance department's fault...they have more say in the game after xbox 1, probably due to the tremendous loss they suffer during xbox 1 era. So for the 360, everything Cheap! Cheap! Cheap!
That's my guess after reading The Xbox 360 Uncloaked by Takahashi. tongue.gif
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eh i would like to ask -.- wat is 3rod?
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eh i would like to ask -.- wat is 3rod?
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Not The the word LEGENDARY..tongue.gif
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At first I thought 3ROD problem can be solve by the xclamp method. But after read through the forum, some of the unit can't even be fixed by this method and therefore become paperweight. I wonder if such occuring problems happen to other products. They definately will recall back all sold unit. Well, not M$.

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well now MS is giving a 3 yr ROD warranty...
but hte troubleness is we have to depend on the SG MS side...
which we need to ask 3rd paerty to help us or the hassle to bring to SG ourselves...
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yea!! I got 3rod again!!! even after x-clamp!! cheers!! biggrin.gif
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yea!! I got 3rod again!!! even after x-clamp!! cheers!! biggrin.gif
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o_o wow, that sucks, man. My condolences.
At least there's a price cut for the Core now.
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Man thats tough..whats wrong with our 360s??

let me tell you a story...

Remember Consoul??

I didnt want to bring my 360 there cause i was paranoid that it would get 3ROD..cause i thought that if you move your 360 around too much it will get 3ROD...heck i even thought ,talking about 3ROD will lead you to get 3ROD...


yes i am that paranoid..sad.gif

What the hell Microsoft??

Its confirmed...the x clamp is not a sure way of fixing your consoles...sad.gif
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legendary 3 rings of death
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huh dont know the meaning of 3 ring of death wor (3Rod) can explain some?
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huh dont know the meaning of 3 ring of death wor (3Rod) can explain some?
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try google or wikipedia for RROD, saves everyone the hassle and makes you look smarter too. smile.gif

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Actually not all products produced by Microsoft are bad quality one, 3 products that MS great on it (Windows Vista, MS Office and MS .NET) are very quality and have great technology build on it. But i admit that Xbox 360 is so bad in quality the same bad as their previous products like Win 95/98 and Win Me.
Imho the existing Xbox 360 are build to compete with PS3, so they have to cut on hardware cost with cheap quality to reduce the console price in order to attract various gamers that the price is lower than ps3. Bad move made by MS with their business strategy, but strange currently they still won the console war over Sony even though their console is bad enough to scare people away. I hope they can learn from the mistakes in their business strategy and with 65nm cpu and motherboard redesign this fall will make x360 more reliable, hope so.

P/S : Actually MS will produce a very good/great product when they are about to loose in competition, example when Linux is about to win they produced Windows Vista, when Sun Java is about to take over programming platform they produced MS. NET. Just wait for PS3 ... haha

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mine just got 3ROD and sent to Djinn last week. doh.gif

totally disappointed with Microsoft....... i dunno what to do if it can't be fix...
mine was the limited Dead or alive edition.... manufactured on Aug 2006....
i thought it will going to be OK.. but it died after 6 months..

tell you the truth. i never feel safe when i play my xbox360. i have on my air con just to play it.
i treated him so well... now he show me red light.... cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

all 3 console's mainboard. from teamxbox.com

look at those mainboard. sony's like Asus, microsoft like MSI, nintendo like .... abit?

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Actually not all products produced by Microsoft are bad quality one,...
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Quite true to your statement, but not sure about Vista..haven't really try it. biggrin.gif

You forgot to mention...Xbox 1 manufacturing quality was pretty good, damn reliable if i must say so myself.

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mine just got 3ROD and sent to Djinn last week.  doh.gif

totally disappointed with Microsoft....... i dunno what to do if it can't be fix...
mine was the limited Dead or alive edition.... manufactured on Aug 2006....
i thought it will going to be OK.. but it died after 6 months..

tell you the truth. i never feel safe when i play my xbox360. i have on my air con just to play it.
i treated him so well... now he show me red light.... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

all 3 console's mainboard. from teamxbox.com

look at those mainboard. sony's like Asus, microsoft like MSI, nintendo like .... abit?
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well at least now 3rod can be fix by removing the xclamp... not like in the earlier days. once 3rod then bye2 gone already. i was lucky when my japanese 360 kena 3rod... i kept it for a while even though there was another forumer offered rm250 to buy the whole thing... i'm sure before the xclamp fix available lots of 3rod owners also received such offers from the same guy. then not long after that xclamp fix is available and thankz to bro metalgrindsolid and tot for reviving my japanese 360. it still kicking (belongs to my brother already) till up to this moment smile.gif

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Hi, just read through today's Star Intech which touch on the problem with Xbox 360 overheating problems. As usual, the report also says M$ also keep mum on this issue. WTF
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jul 17 2007, 01:11 AM)
Quite true to your statement, but not sure about Vista..haven't really try it. biggrin.gif

You forgot to mention...Xbox 1 manufacturing quality was pretty good, damn reliable if i must say so myself.
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I using Vista quite some time now, what i can say that Vista is stable, the security & technology build on top if it is awesome. Even though that i like Apple/Mac products very much, but i impress in what MS did with Vista and MS .NET, the technology they bring together. To me every product have pro n cons.

Yes i heard before that xbox 1 quality is quite good, but with xbox 360 is all about business strategy in competition with Sony PS.
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gaming grandma oso kena! tongue.gif

hm, 1 billion dollars to repair 3RL for 3 years? just take out those LEDs and replace the front design. no more LEDS means 3 flashing red lights will never be possible, no more obligation for MS to fix for "free" tongue.gif
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