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 FOREX: Instarem v BigPay v Transferwise, True as at 6/7/2020

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post Oct 28 2019, 11:34 PM, updated 5y ago

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Analysis (6/7/2020) [Newer data]
Updated with newer data. Conclusion is slightly different
Still leaving the old data for comparison.

NOTE: I've only done this for MYR/SGD pair. MYR/USD or MYR/EUR might give different results

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Conclusion (6/7/2020)
Transferwise is most expensive. Don't use it unless you don't have a choice or want 'average fee' so you don't have to calculate every time.
For amounts <RM2750, use Instarem.
For amounts >RM2750, use BigPay.


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This post has been edited by Yggdrasil: Jul 6 2020, 04:04 PM
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post Oct 29 2019, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 28 2019, 11:58 PM)
I would just include the RM 7 fee... ignore 1st xfer offer...this to be 'fair' comparison

I want to xfer... usd to myr, too bad bigpay don't support

Transferwise has a sweet spot I think if big amount it goes to a lower fee tier...
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Yes. I included RM7 fee in my data. Although here didn't say:

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I included the RM7 cost by:

1) Subtracting RM7 from the MYR to be sent. E.g. Send RM100 but minus RM7.
2) So technically one is sending RM93 at their exchange rate of 0.324198.
3) The actual SGD received should be SGD 30.15 [(100-7) x 0.324198.]

This was already in my results above.

This post has been edited by Yggdrasil: Oct 29 2019, 12:12 AM
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post Oct 29 2019, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 28 2019, 11:58 PM)
Transferwise has a sweet spot I think if big amount it goes to a lower fee tier...
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Nope.

The maximum you can transfer using Transferwise is RM30000.

Even at maximum of RM30000, you still get extra SGD5.12 transferring using Instarem.

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post Oct 29 2019, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 29 2019, 02:00 AM)
Does Instarem issue debit card like Transferwise?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2019, 05:50 AM)
Not for Malaysia market. Only SG market.
https://www.instarem.com/en-sg/amaze
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Transferwise doesn't issue debit card to Malaysians right?
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post Jun 23 2020, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(xerxesbear_1 @ Jun 23 2020, 10:08 PM)
I want to send some money from Malaysia to my US account. I was initially planning to us Maybank2u TT transfer until i saw the agent fee is 30 USD. Is there a cheaper option? I heard instarem is pretty good. Does it support money transfer to the states?
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What's your intention to transfer?
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post Jun 24 2020, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 23 2020, 11:50 PM)
A simple visit to instarem should answer your question. I wonder what is the first currency you see on instarem website.
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I'd say it depends because sending USD to US financial institutions may have restrictions.
On the other hand, sending USD to Singaporean banks using Instarem is fine.
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post Jul 6 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(mr_tuzki @ Jul 6 2020, 01:43 AM)
What was the rate previously?

I didn't realise they increased it. But I noticed recently that TW has been cheaper than Instarem that's why I've been using TW
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The fee must be calculated as a % of amount transferred.
This varies according to the amount you transfer.

For example, in my previous conclusion (outdated now):
1) Instarem gives the lowest fee (% terms) if you transfer below RM5000
2) Big pay gives the lowest fee (% terms) if you transfer above RM10000
3) Transferwise is the worst. However, they give the best FOREX rates among the 2.

It's worth noting that some may give unfavourable rates to you (by pricing in the fee) despite stating low fees.

Edit: I updated with newer data since people seem to be interested.

roarus Tagging you too. Same conclusion for TransferWise but there's a new conclusion regarding Big Pay and Instarem.

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post Jul 8 2020, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(timo1003 @ Jul 8 2020, 12:08 PM)
Hi guys. If I wish to transfer money to China and I only have Western Union/Transferwise/Moneygram as options which would be the best one? Amount is less than rm2k.

Hope some experts can chip in on this. Really appreciate it. Tq.
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If you're transferring for one of case and only RM2000, Instarem charges around RM15. You can shop around for the best rates or just settle for this.
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post Jul 16 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Jul 16 2020, 11:03 AM)
I tried sending myr to sgd via instarem to my own cimb sg account but instarem asked for recipient's country of residence and malaysia is not on the list. What should i put?
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Put Singapore
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post Jul 22 2020, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 22 2020, 02:16 AM)
But Intarem and BP don't have MYR to JPY transfer... kindly help
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... this thread is not to help you solve problems with transfer. It's to find out which is cheapest.

I can't help you because I can't force Instarem and Big Pay to offer JPY transfer.
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post Jul 22 2020, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 22 2020, 02:25 AM)
Then no choice.. but to continue use Transfer wise
you know any other transfer able to transfer JPY? Thanks in advance
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Banks. But it's much more expensive.
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post Jul 22 2020, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 22 2020, 02:42 PM)
transfer 6 digit amount, don't mind if can get cheaper rate.
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For huge amounts, try negotiating with bank manager for better rate.
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post Aug 18 2020, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Aug 18 2020, 07:02 PM)
Yeah, looks not bad.

For EUR almost as good as TW and better than IR.

And for SGD much better than the other two, nice.
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Aug 18 2020, 08:07 PM)
yeah it seems the MYR-SGD rate is the best among all, just that the transfer time seems would take T+2 business days for transactions submitted before 4.00pm Malaysia time, and up to T+3 business days for transactions submitted after 4.00pm., which is a bit slower
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Wah so cheap. Just heard about it. Even better than Instarem/TransferWise etc

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post Aug 19 2020, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Arhat @ Aug 19 2020, 10:58 PM)
Sorry, I am confused with your analysis. If Transferwise has the closest rate to Xe , then why is it the most expensive of the three?

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Because Transferwise charge higher fee.

You must measure based on input output method.
How much input you put in (MYR) and how much output you get (foreign currency).

This is because one company might charge higher fee but give good rates.
Another may lie to you and say low fee but give terrible rates.

Best is you register a few accounts: Instarem, TransferWise, BigPay and Sunway Money.
When you want to transfer, compare all the rates at one go. Once you find the best, go for that one.

Just an example using fictitious rates:

You transfer RM10,000. They quote:

Instarem: SGD 3,273.20
TransferWise: SGD 3,275.20
BigPay: SGD 3,270.20
Sunway Money: SGD 3,271.20

In this case, you should proceed with TransferWise because they give you the highest amount of SGD for your RM10,000.

Btw, my analysis might be outdated because they keep changing rates/fees to stay competitive.
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post Aug 19 2020, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Arhat @ Aug 19 2020, 11:08 PM)
Sorry, I don't have time or money to try all four of them. I need to find the best.

How much is the fixed service fee for Transwise per transaction?
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If you're making a one off transaction, then you can just choose whichever convenient.
All are already cheaper than banks.
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post Aug 19 2020, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Arhat @ Aug 19 2020, 11:33 PM)
It's not a one-off, it's every several months one transfer.

Their verification process is complicated and troublesome . Wouldn't want to try all of them.
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Might save you few hundreds/thousands in the long run.
Like if it saves you RM30 per month, 1 year already save you RM360.
10 years save you RM3,600.

If lazy to set up then just go for TransferWise.
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post Sep 9 2020, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Sep 9 2020, 02:35 PM)
What is your SOP when planning a transfer on day X, just transfer on the day itself or try to monitor exchange rate just before/after (if so, how long will you wait)?
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I check most when I'm about to transfer.
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post Dec 22 2020, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Dec 22 2020, 03:45 PM)
Is it just me or are TransferWise/InstaRem/BigPay all super much more expensive than SunwayMoney for SGD transfers now?

For 10k amount, the rates I'm seeing now are:-
BP - 3275.20 SGD (fees RM5)
Insta - 3270.22 SGD (fees RM45)
TW - 3271.82 SGD (fees RM56.72)
Sunway - 3281.71 SGD (fees RM-3.99)

Even though I have a RM60 transferwise coupon I'm not sure using it makes sense. Let's say I increase my transaction to 30k (only send 29940 from Sunway Money and TW to make comparison fair in terms of cost)

Sunway receives 9826.80
Instarem receives 9810.65
TW receives 9797.79

Is there something I'm missing here?
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Dec 22 2020, 04:38 PM)
Agree best is sunway money. I manage to transfer at MYR3.03/SGD in the morning
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It depends on what currency you send. Best is to cross reference all before sending.
Like it's cheaper to send EUR using Transferwise than Sunway Money.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 22 2021, 01:25 PM)
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QUOTE(hedfi @ Apr 24 2021, 12:13 PM)
If sending RM200k to AUD or GBP, it's cheaper using CIMB cos don't have to incur many times charges cos max for Wise is only 30k per transaction right?
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Sending huge amount sometimes you can try negotiating. Why not drop Wise and CIMB an email and ask them to quote you best price.

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