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 Getting Singapore PR or Australia PR, Which is recommended for the next Gen?

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haya
post Oct 30 2019, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 29 2019, 03:35 PM)
As for aus, jobs are very, very hard to come by, menial and not rewarding both in terms of pay & nature of the work. Add in the high tax rates in Aus and you'll feel like somebody is stealing your wages every month.
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Found the taxation is theft person. No disagreement that taxes are high, but good public spaces, parks, a welfare net, and the aged pension cost money.

Somehow no one ever talks about curtailing the aged pension. Wonder why......


QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 29 2019, 03:35 PM)
Things are getting progressively worst & the left leaning government is to blame for it.. Socialism just doesn't work.
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Australia hasn't had a "left leaning government" for almost 7 years, and but for a brief spell between 2008 - 2013, the last 25 years Australia hasn't had a "left leaning government".



QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 29 2019, 03:35 PM)
Universal healthcare just doesn't make sense when there are lines to the moon and back just to see a dentist for a tooth ache.. I rather pay the $1000 AUD than wait that long.. and it costs $1000 AUD because the government has already raised the price through universal healthcare..
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Dental care is not covered under Medicare. How is "universal healthcare" to blame for "lines to the moon and back just to see a dentist" when it is not even involved in it?

Apparently the free market is supposed to sort it out right since the invisible hand of the market is supposed to allow more dental services to come in and provide better services?



QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 29 2019, 03:35 PM)
same with Uni education too.. the fees are getting more and more expensive because again, the government pays for it first so there is no incentive for prices to drop... It's a broken system that is getting worst and worst every damn year..
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In Malaysia, government doesn't subsidise IPTS'es. Please provide an instance where IPTS fees dropped.
haya
post Oct 30 2019, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Oct 30 2019, 09:55 AM)
Found the taxation is theft person. No disagreement that taxes are high, but good public spaces, parks, a welfare net, and the aged pension cost money.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:52 PM)
Benefits that Singapore also has, but with no added taxation. And yes, I know that SG is a smaller country and 'easier' to manage.
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Singapore has no welfare net, much less a aged pension. It is hardly a comparison.

QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:52 PM)
They can't. It's already an unmitigated disaster. Most aussies live paycheck to paycheck and solely depend on their super for retirement. It's a recipe for disaster.
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So please don't migrate to Australia if you don't want an "unmitigated disastrous" aged pension.

Also plenty of people, Singaporeans or otherwise, live paycheque to paycheque, and (in the Singaporean context) their CPF monies not enough.

But because they're "Aussies"............

QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:52 PM)
The Liberal government aren't any much different from the ALP government.. and with an almost even 50/50 seats split in parliament, the "communist" legislation implemented during the ALP Kevin Rudd/Gilliard leadership will remain for many, many years to come..
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The Liberal/National governments of the last 25 years:

- Sold off public assets like Telstra, Qantas, CSL
- Introduced voluntary student unionism
- Privatised the Commonwealth Employment Service
- Disbanded the Clean Energy Finance Corporation
- Took away guns from private owners

amongst others

The Labor government between 2008 - 2013, 5 years, when they weren't stabbing each other:

- Founded NBNCo
- Reinstated student unionism fees
- Legislated a mining and resources tax
- Initiated a flood levy
- Plain packaging for tobacco products

The same, really? One can mount a argument on the merits of the individual decisions, but "aren't any much different"?

Also, what "communist" legislation did the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments legislate? Is the Liberal/National government so lousy that after 6 years they can't even repeal "communist" legislation? (They didn't have a problem abolishing the Carbon Tax, Mining Tax, Clean Energy Finance Corporation, so hardly hamstrung in reversing decisions of previous governments)

QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:52 PM)
Fine, poor example. It still doesn't change the fact that it will take you weeks to months before you see a medical professional due to long queues and it costs significantly more because there is a minimum base-rate charge, in the form of 'bulk-billing' every-time you see the doctor.. It's basically free money for the doctors. They have no incentive to operate cheaper because their industry isn't a reasonably free market.
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In Singapore with minimal intervention patients either don't have enough money in their MediSave to pay for "medical professional", or in Australia (as you say) to have public payment but "long queues". Pick the poison of choice.

Also, that is not how "bulk billing" works. Bulk billing means that each consultation/Medicare item has a amount that Medicare to pay out. Doctors that "bulk bill" don't charge patients beyond what Medicare pays them. Doctors that don't bulk bill patients pay the difference on top of the Medicare rebate amount. Which is still less than someone who has to pay the full amount (ie. temporary residents: international students, working visa's, contributory parent visa holders) because they don't have access to Medicare.

Queues are dependent on demand. In Australia if one has the financial means they can pay outright to "jump the queue", or if they can't they go into the public waiting list. In Singapore if one has the financial means they can pay outright to "jump the queue", else they draw down on their MediSave and hope it doesn't run out.

Pick the poison of choice.


QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 29 2019, 03:35 PM)
same with Uni education too.. the fees are getting more and more expensive because again, the government pays for it first so there is no incentive for prices to drop... It's a broken system that is getting worst and worst every damn year..
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QUOTE(haya @ Oct 30 2019, 09:55 AM)
In Malaysia, government doesn't subsidise IPTS'es. Please provide an instance where IPTS fees dropped.
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Oct 30 2019, 01:52 PM)
Who cares about Msia.. we are comparing between SG and Aus here..
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So why are Singaporean PEI fees higher than NUS and NTU?

 

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