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cybermaster98
post Feb 18 2024, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 17 2024, 10:24 PM)
So your objective here is to earn more profit?

If counter A was bought in 2018 at 100 USD (100 units), then bought again at 2022 at 200USD (100 units), and now in 2024 you sell 100 units for 250USD, why do you care 'which' units were sold? You are still holding 100 units (post sale) which have unrealised value of 250USD.
No. The objective is not to earn more profits. The objective is to trim to get out of later positions (currently in the green) which will go negative once the market corrects. So instead of holding some negative positions, ive trimmed them to increase my cash balance in order to buy in lower later.
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post Feb 18 2024, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Feb 17 2024, 10:32 PM)
if someone values "cosmetics" (even if there's no practical function), who are we to judge
If you dont understand ask questions and seek clarification. Else keep the sarcasm to yourself. Im not a noob.
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post Feb 18 2024, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Feb 18 2024, 11:04 PM)
can you give a hypothetical example? start with sample entry prices/cash balance, and the hypothetical scenario A or B?

it's ok if you don't plan to plot it out (due to time constraints). we're just here to make money so i'm more than happy to leave it aside
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This is my actual portfolio for Alphabet. I intend to get rid of my position in December 2023 as it will free up USD33K in capital.

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post Feb 19 2024, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Feb 18 2024, 11:26 PM)
ok. so assuming market reopens on Tues @ same price of $140.52, instead of selling xxxx5 shares, you'll just need to sell xxxx1.1816 shares.

if FIFO, you'll liquidate all of 1st purchase, and some of 2nd purchase
if LIFO, you'll liquidate most of 4th purchase

both will result in same amt of freed up capital

(redacting the beginning figures of shares in case of privacy)
Same amount of freed up capital but why would i want to sell my earlier positions entered at a low of $51 and $62 when i can let these run for many years vs liquidating my last purchase entered at $138 which will turn negative at the next correction? I let winners run in general.
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post Feb 19 2024, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 19 2024, 09:53 AM)
your motivation to sell the Dec 2023 tranche is purely to avoid seeing red... for that tranche

your balance remains the same regardless of selling the first few tranches or the last few tranches...
The difference is in the entry prices and to keep my winners (early positions) running vs holding a negative position during the next correction. I dont want to be freeing up capital from stronger winning positions when i have a choice of closing a position that will go negative on the next leg down.
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post Feb 21 2024, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 20 2024, 10:19 AM)

If you know there's going to be a correction, then your 'letting winners run' is actually costing you money. Because if you sold right now, then there's a correction, you have both locked in your gains AND will be able to repurchase at a lower price.
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Selling my positions now will lock in the gains but no correction in the market now will take prices close to what they were back in 2018. So re-entering the market after a near term correction would essentially mean i have a much smaller buffer between my entry price vs future price. I grew my portfolio since 2018 with USD900K+ capital to a fund value of USD2.63mil today having 80% of my original positions remaining the same but 20% were fine-tuned before corrections in order to maximise the buffer.
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post Feb 21 2024, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(Takudan @ Feb 21 2024, 12:21 AM)
I still don't understand after like 2 pages reading. Just making sure I'm on the same page... There's literally no difference in terms of the final outcome, do you agree?

Technically speaking, I GUESS it would have different unrealised profit vs realised profit on paper... But that's kinda meaningless, because if you REALLY want to pocket everything and close shop, they'll all still turn into realised profits, so I don't understand your insistence...
The intent is to close out the last position entered in Dec 2023 and to recoup the capital from that position and then re-enter at a lower price for that stock/another stock. Either way i get the same capital working from a lower price entry price base for that position.
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post Feb 21 2024, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Feb 21 2024, 09:26 AM)
Okay, in my opinion definitely you're prioritizing a certain kind of optics over reality here.

Let's say, 2018 you bought ABC with price 100 USD.

2022 you bought ABC with price 230 USD.

Now (2024) the price is 250 USD. You anticipate a correction. Imagine you have perfect ability to tell the future, you know that price will drop to 215 USD later this year.

Your intention is to sell all your 2022 units to 'reset' that tranche, gain a bit of profit, and once correction you can re-enter. But your 2018 units you want to hold so that you can 'let winners run'.

(If anything wrong with above simple example please make corrections).

What I (and some others) are saying is that none of the above matters except for annual tax reporting. And what I'm saying in addition is that if you sell ALL your units now (at 250 USD) you have already made 150% on your 2018 units. Re-entering at a higher entry price would not lose you any money. You are LOCKING IN your gains (this can actually be a smart play, depending on the portfolio/horizon), which is objectively a good thing and doesn't affect your fund value at all.

Secondary example, if stock ABS would one day drop to 110 USD price, would you still hold on to it because you bought it cheaper in 2018? If you had sold and bought after correction at a higher entry price would that have convinced you to sell it earlier? In both those cases then you're probably engaging in a form of sunk cost fallacy.
The sentence in bold is what you (and others) keep repeating without providing the WHY

Re-entering at a higher price point doesn't lose me any money for sure UNTIL there is a correction/crash (which happens more often that most ppl anticipate) and then those positions go negative (again no loss because its still on paper) but it does lower my buffer.
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post Feb 22 2024, 05:28 PM

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Maybank seems to be placing more restrictions on transfer of funds to IBKR. Wise transfers for MYR30K costs RM204 in transaction fee.

Has anybody withdrawn funds from IBKR to Wise and then onward to Maybank Malaysia?

 

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