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post Oct 9 2019, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Oct 9 2019, 07:43 AM)
Mistreatment is not ok no matter what. For Uighurs case, is something like preemptive strikes on Muslim before they start to organize to be a force that will threaten China's narrative.

But China must learn that should not be the way to handle conflicts. Don't learn from Malaysia.

Must I tell China the right way? Is what I do. Convince Muslims that islam is a false religion. Don't force, don't impose. Do reverse dakwah. That's it. And if there is promotion to violence, haul those people up, not haul up 2 million people, that's not the way.

Morality is a funny thing. If u do something wrong often and prevasively enough, it will start to look acceptable. Then it becomes the new morality standard. So it's very important to condemn it at the first sign of human rights violation. Even in this forum there are people saying it's ok because others are doing it.

Don't take Human rights violations lightly .
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I have read a number of articles, some painted China as an evil regime, forcing 1M Uighur population into detention camp similar to Nazi, maybe gassed them to reduce the number or forced abortion to reduce the population etc ..., some reports pointed out the inconsistencies and lack of concrete evidence, and visits by foreign investigators yielded nothing substantial other than the "education" camps to reduce extremism.

I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. There are some gross exaggeration from the western media, taken from a handful of people who have suffered under the callous and rough mistreatment, dozens of extremist suspects were even put to death and having the stories blown up and viral'ed.

But look at the background. This is China communism coming to age, even the Tiananmen protest 30 years ago was brutally crushed with hundred of deaths. China will not tolerate extremism in any form that departed from central doctrine. That is the dark side of having 30 years bullet train progress elevated 1 billion people out of poverty and abysmal living conditions, instead of the democracy and liberalism suggested by the soft approach in your bolded statement.

Do you think you can convince the Muslims? How many years you need and what tools are at your disposal? It is very likely if you come out in the open and continue your reformation cry, you will be placed in a religious correction center ... smile.gif

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post Oct 9 2019, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Oct 9 2019, 12:09 PM)
China is doing the "no nonsense" way. That is against the morality I have been upholding for many years. I can't accept that. It will set president on the accepted morality that authority can bulldoze its way to make things "right' in the name of "preemtive measures". Preemptive measures to violence I agree. But not to ideology. But what if the ideology have violence within? That's a tough call to make. But I stand we still need concrete evidence of the manifested violence it will cause. But I don't think China is doing it on that reason. They just don't want a "political ideology" to flourish. Is like Malays defending their "must always be in power" agenda. Same thing. Which I can't accept.
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This is the kind of moral dilemma one has to face. Consequentialism versus deontology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics

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post Oct 21 2019, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(alhelmy @ Oct 21 2019, 02:41 PM)
It's birthrights. No different than the birthrights of the first born (eg. birthrights in Jacob vs Esau, etc), or a manager's entitlement to a company car, etc, an expatriate's entitlement of housing allowance, etc. This is how a capitalist society works, if you want fairness in all, then go live in a socialist society.
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You mean someone getting a higher salary is birthright, lol.
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post Oct 22 2019, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 21 2019, 08:58 PM)
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Also in malaysia racism was really bad. One particularly note of alumni was that chinese schools would not have regular classes and not allow the malays to attend many classes where they would have to sit outside. So in malaysia truthfully its not the minority thats being oppressed, its the majority.

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Please cite your source for that claim.

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post Oct 22 2019, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 22 2019, 09:41 AM)
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What school was that? I can check.
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post Oct 22 2019, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 22 2019, 06:02 PM)
sjk© tanah putih. It was like that decades ago before the national educational reforms. At another school that was part of a churh, the religious teachers werent allowed to share or use the facilities other than the classroom. So in the past the divide was really really bad.
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So how is it relevant then to your claim since it was decades ago? You cannot even produce any real evidence, a report/article, clipping from newspaper etc ... and you seem to rely entirely on hearsay, 30 years ago an incident or two and it became as you claimed,

"Also in malaysia racism was really bad. One particularly note of alumni was that chinese schools would not have regular classes and not allow the malays to attend many classes where they would have to sit outside. So in malaysia truthfully its not the minority thats being oppressed, its the majority. "

That is slandering and spreading lies. That is not good.

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 22 2019, 06:28 PM)
1st hand accounts of others. What im saying is that the fact that racism like this existed forms shaky ground today. Whats needed is an acknowledgement of the errors of the past and to move on in a more united fashion. Many older people i often hear them talk ill of other races and its because when they were younger, racism was much more rampant.
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I don't think I have stressed enough.

1st hand account of others according to you which amounts to no more than hearsay. It is poor excuse to me. IOW you have nothing. But look at the claim and conclusion you drew from your flimsy "1st hand account", quote

"Also in malaysia racism was really bad. One particularly note of alumni was that chinese schools would not have regular classes and not allow the malays to attend many classes where they would have to sit outside. So in malaysia truthfully its not the minority thats being oppressed, its the majority. "

Racism exists everywhere, it's an inherited animal trait that in the past aided survival. And IMO racism is more rampant now than in the past, it becomes worse when politicians use racial issues to gain popularity and with the rise of religiosity.



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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 23 2019, 11:04 AM)
children of mixed races are better biologically. The further apart your DNA from the other, the better the offspring. So i dont see how racsim is a survival instinct when its more of the opposite, or rather distrust. Many politicians themselves are mixed races.
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Citation please or this is another of your uninformed opinion.
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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 23 2019, 12:39 PM)
https://aeon.co/essays/the-future-is-mixed-...ng-for-humanity

Theres a reason why its bad to marry your cousins.
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Let me ask you what happens when a beneficial strong trait for survival in a particular environment is diluted with foreign DNA? Does this confer better advantage or disadvantage for the population?

 

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