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bani_prime
post Dec 16 2020, 03:19 PM

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Hi...can someone shed me some light in layman term, the differences between orthodox chritisnan n western christian?
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post Dec 16 2020, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Dec 16 2020, 03:23 PM)
(Eastern) Orthodox Christian are those Eastern churches (mostly in Eastern Europe, Middle East and Russia) which are split from Rome, the date given traditionally is 1054 AD. While Western Christian is just a generic term to refer to those churches which are predominant in Western Europe (e.g. the Roman Catholic Church, the various Protestant churches).

There are differences in beliefs, liturgy (worship) and theology among the different groups.
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I want to know more about the belief n theology
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post Dec 16 2020, 11:32 PM

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Im sorry...cant play both video
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post Dec 19 2020, 07:11 AM

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Ive studied a bit between orthodox christian n western christian.

Am i right to say that western christian is more liberal than the orthodox? Because the western christian no matter how much sin they commit, the sin will be forgiven as their future willl be forgiven already

Meanwhole, for orthodox, there is no forgiveness of future sin. If u commit one, u need to repent. I also found out that orthodox got many haram thing than western which is more liberal
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post Dec 19 2020, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(ikeadesigner @ Dec 19 2020, 09:03 AM)
Err you studied the wrong group of person. That conclusion is like saying Chinese ppl is more evil than Indian.
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The reason i ask is to find who is my friend.
Because in the hadith forecasting end of times, saying that muslim will unite with the christian before dajjal (antichristi) come

Some predict that muslim will be friend with US, . But looking at US, there are now increasing trend of evangelist christian who support the establishment of israel n they look liberal to me as compared to orthodox

Orthodox in other hand are more conservative, n they are more discipline when dealing with sin. N the only super power country that has orthodox christianity is the russian n some europe country.

So i am thinking maybe russian is our future friend not us
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post Dec 19 2020, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(ikeadesigner @ Dec 19 2020, 09:46 AM)
You don't study the environment but study doctrine. In term of the environment, it's subjective, because human isn't consistent. It's just like there are bad anglican and there's good anglican.

To me, western Christian focus on logic, Eastern is more about experience and mystery, it's obvious in their worship and doctrine.
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Still not buying if ur future sin already forgiven in western christianity.thats illogical.
It likes easy to take for granted by believer to commit sin who already knew it will be forgiven.

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post Dec 19 2020, 12:19 PM

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If future sin already forgiven before someone commit it, theres no reason for trial in this world. People would not fear to commit sin any longer knowing that it will forgiven.

There will be no more road of redemption, it will made someone lazy to commit good deed to clear their sin or worship or repent

It is simple logic

To give up sin, its not easy. Imagine someone who is sex addict. Always go cheong day n night. If sin is so easy to be forgiven, there is no need to work hard toward redemption. This is different from other religion, who has to be in road of redemption. Always pray, always ask for forgiveness. Always chanting 100x asking for forgiveness daily. Need to wake up at 4am to worship expecting forgiveness. Need to fast for 1 month expecting for forgiveness

Logically, the road of redemption should be tough one. This is where god can see one dertemination n willingness to change. Only by strong will, means he is sincere .How would god judge someone is good believer or not, if future sin already forgiven. How can human demonstrate their willigness n determination to god? Only by making the road is hard, the determination can be evaluated

Somemore its not easy to solve addiction. U need to go for counselling. Sometimes u relapsed. N its painful process to wothdraw urself from the desire. Once u stop the addiction, iwthdrawal effect come in. U getting tired, depression. The road is not easy. But because of that, it motivate us to cling to god help. Because we know we cant do it alone , without His help

But here, u teach me that u dont have to go to that difficult road. U dont have to work hard to get rid of addictiin. There is no need to cling on god help to resolve the addiction, because u know it will be forgiven. Nothing can motivate u to get closer to god

Thats why im more favoured to orthodox christianity

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Dec 19 2020, 12:24 PM
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post Dec 27 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(niiwG @ Dec 26 2020, 11:25 PM)
Mr. WongSF

I think you have misunderstood my post earlier.
I'm actually addressing the points given by bani_prime concerning sin and his pov on how he THINKS sin can be settle by mere actions of praying, doing good etc.

You are very confident that Christians DO NOT sin.
Please look up Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Notice the word ALL in that verse.
That is why my explanation to bani is that good works, prayer etc will NOT save anyone from hell.
If doing good works can get one to heaven then no one will enter hell as even the most hard core criminal will probably do a few good deeds in his lifetime.

The Bible mentions in Isaiah 55:8-9

For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.


This is why man's way and God's way are the total opposite.
Men think that doing good deeds or acting in a righteous manner will get them a ticket to heaven.

This is the NUMBER ONE mistake that many religious men are not aware of. Men think that they have found a solution of avoiding hell.
But like the verse above clearly says, God's way and thoughts are higher than men. Even the smartest man on earth is foolishness in God's eye.

Don't get me wrong, I did not suggest NOT doing any good deed. If you want to donate all your savings to any charity home then good for you my friend.

BUT we must address the core issue first. This is a fallen world. Men by nature is corrupt. That is why God sent His Son Yeshua the Messiah as a perfect sacrifice for mankind. If doing good deeds can save us from hell then God would have save the hassle and not sent His Son Yeshua to earth and sacrifice Himself on the cross.

This is what makes Christianity different from other religion.

God's standard is very high and NO MAN on earth will be able to reach His standard. For the God we serve is a Holy God and will not tolerate even the slightest of sin.

As mentioned by Yeshua in the Bible in Matthew 5:28, even by looking at a woman in lust is already a sin. How can a mere act of looking at a woman be construe as a sin? Its a just a harmless stare and whatever thought that is in my mind stays in my mind right?

And yet Yeshua commands us to take out our right eye if it causes us to sin. This is how serious is the consequences of sin. Unfortunately many like bani_prime thinks sin can be rectified by doing good works. We enter heaven by God's grace and NOT by our works.

That is why the only way to Heaven is that we MUST admit that we have sinned and apply the Blood of Yeshua. There's no other way to be save except to admit that God sent His Son to take our penalty for sins. Just like in the Old Testament when each Jewish household must apply the Blood of an unblemished lamb on their door post in order for their firstborn to be saved.
BUT this doesn't mean after accepting Yeshua we can go and hurt someone. You cannot abuse the concept of grace.

After knowing the truth and accepting Yeshua, we MUST change our old way of doing things.
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If u look back at my old arguement, im refering to tbe big sin. Example like prostitutiin, gamble, n yet in the west christian community as in US, UK it takes it as lighly matter

Of course we nees to divide between big sin n small sin. N yes i can agree with u that we might commit sin that we think it is nothing or small matter, but to god it is serious n even big matter. For this we always expect on His mercy to forgive us. This is what i can agree with u full heartly

However, judging on christian community, there are big sin that still rampant n take very lightly. We can ignore the "unseen" sin which had been descrived by u, but there are sin however that very visible to us, but we take it lighly. When i ask christian for example regarding prostitution, gambling, being drunk they simply say, its ok god will forgive me. Some even argue that their future sin (refering to big sin) already forgiven. This is what im arguing.

Forget about the unseen sin which u n i can agree that we human may trangress ourself. Sometimes, we do question a lot god action. We question why im not rich, why im sick , we simply dont get confidence with god plan. This thing we can put it aside.

What i am discussing is about big sin here where lot of christian community dont take seriously not to avoid it. We should wonder, why are we so scare about unseen sin when sin in front of us, we do nothing about it
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post Mar 12 2022, 08:27 PM

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Is there christian orthodox in Malaysia?
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post Apr 7 2022, 01:56 AM

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Can christian share their viewwhat is your current view of end of times..? Any sign from current event?
Is the urkaien Russian conflict signify any potential of end of times event?

The russi has been referring to the west as empire of lies. Do u guys believes this empire is referring to antichrist empire?

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