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post Sep 19 2020, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(SpectacularButter @ Sep 18 2020, 10:03 AM)
Hi Coca Cola,

You can check out True Jesus Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_6TnUEDym4

Keeping the Sabbath (Saturday) is one of the 10 articles of faith of the church:
https://tjc.org/intro-to-basic-beliefs/#sabbath
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I am curious why is this church called True Jesus Church ? Doesn't that imply that all other churches irregardless of denominations are False Churches of Jesus ?
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post Sep 21 2020, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(SpectacularButter @ Sep 21 2020, 06:55 PM)
Think about it, are all churches true? Why would Paul be so incensed if someone or an angel where to preach a different gospel or a different Jesus?

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
- Gal 1:6-9


For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! - 2 Cor 11:4

If believing Jesus is enough and it doesn't matter what the bible says then Yes - every church can save. But yet the Bible mentions that not everyone who believes in Jesus and perform great works can be saved, only those who does the will of My Father in heaven:

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
- Mat 7:21-23


The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth (Jn 16:13), the Holy Spirit is integral in establishing the one body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13), and abides in the body of Christ who practice His commands (1 Jn 3:24). We find there are many churches with different doctrines. Can the Holy Spirit teach different truths to different churches? Truth is something absolute. It cannot be all correct at the same time.  For example:

16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. - Mark 16:16
Jesus mentioned that those who believes and is baptized will be saved. This is the truth. If we say baptism is not necessary can this be truth?

In True Jesus Church, we emphasize on doctrines because doctrines can save us (1 Tim 4:16) which is why some Christians misunderstand us as a cult. Even the apostolic church was regarded as a sect (Acts 24:14) because of their insistence in their beliefs. However a cult is only a cult if the teachings are not based upon the Bible.
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Whatever the churches had preached are true or otherwise that I cannot say for certain cause neither am I there to hear them, but what I know immediately for sure is when someone preaches in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ or is that someone preaching in his own name instead.

About baptism and doctrines, why did you stop short about being born again (Baptism of Fire) and doing the will of God which are found in Scriptures ? Surely you would know that being baptized (baptism of water) and believing alone are not sufficient for salvation OR do you think that baptism of water and believing alone suffices ?

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post Oct 21 2020, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 19 2020, 04:48 PM)
Careful, the word love can be easily misinterpreted these days.
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Why should we be bothered by those who cannot comprehend nor even understand the depth of the love of our God that we are suppose to replicate ?
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post Oct 22 2020, 03:27 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Oct 22 2020, 02:57 AM)
I personally don't think translation difference is that important to be Christian.
I think ESV is good enough. NASB/NRSV is not common but usually used in seminary.

If really want to argue which is superior, might as well go read the original koine greek texts.
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On the contrary, I think it is great to have differences in various translations as that enhances a much deeper understanding and appreciation of Sacred Scripture.

The best has got to be when the Holy Spirit reveals to us directly the meaning of those texts. Praise be to God.
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post Oct 29 2020, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bibliophile @ Oct 29 2020, 01:07 PM)
St Peter's place as primus inter pares is undisputed. If Rome were to one day reject the filioque, etc and re-enter into brotherhood with us in the East, the Patriarch of Rome would be honoured as befits his Primacy. I pray and hope I live to see the day that happens. That we may all be one.

The Primacy of St Peter is catholic (universal), and fits with the Vincentian canon. But his supremacy is what we disagree with. He is supposed to be our older brother, not our CEO.
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I never knew others would view him as the CEO. I do not care who is appointed to this position, what is most important to me is that the individual must be led and guided by the Spirit of God.
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post Nov 16 2020, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Nov 12 2020, 05:30 PM)
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Why did Peter COMMANDED them to baptized when they have received the Holy Ghost earlier if water baptism is symbolic to salvation? I know some Protestants differs in their definition of salvation and what is meant by salvation, but I'll skip that part for now.
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To fulfil what is commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ, as written in Scriptures, "No one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."
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post Nov 19 2020, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 19 2020, 01:24 PM)
and what is the scripture verse that tells us Water Baptism is a requirement for Salvation?

John 3:5 (NIV) - Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit...?

Mark 16:16 (NIV) - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned...?

In John 3:5 the word use there is Born in the Greek is "gennaó " which means beget. Immersion is a different word. Do read the next verse, in verse 6..where it says "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit  gives birth to spirit." In verse 5, it says there born water and Spirit and the part of spirit is already explained in verse 6. Being born of water is different from immerse in Water. Being born in Water means being born of Christ.

Many times over Christ is the reference of water

1John 5:1 (NIV) - Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

1 John 5:6 - 8(NIV) - This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

John 4:10 (NIV) - Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."

Mark 16:16, the verse is quite clear, whoever does not believe is condemned..it didn't those who are not water baptized.

Water baptism is important, however, the New Testament does not teach that water baptism is a pre-requisite for salvation.
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Yes you are correct, Baptism of Water is not a prerequisite for salvation and neither is the Baptism of Fire.
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post Nov 23 2020, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Nov 23 2020, 10:23 AM)
Not for Catholics:

CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.
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Let us see how shall this be said instead, "Can anyone attain salvation then, by not doing what is required of oneself by our Father in heaven, even though one has received both the Baptism of Water and the Baptism of Fire ?"


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post Jan 2 2021, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Dec 28 2020, 01:20 PM)
Hi guys... need help

I'm not familiar with those prayers.
Would like to learn what prayer suit for what thing.

Recently my friend is having depression and become another person or possess by evil spirit. Helpless keep answering pointless question raised by my friend because the evil was controlling.

But my friend help to pray can see good reaction.

I'm looking for prayers that can wade away evil spirit or seek God protection.
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Are you sure it is demonic possessions ? Can you describe in detail about the possesions please ?


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post Jan 6 2021, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(Bibliophile @ Jan 4 2021, 03:01 PM)
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It is clear then that the context in which the church fathers talk about scripture is safely within the bounds of Holy Tradition, and not in the attitude of pitting scripture against tradition, as Sola Scriptura is used for. Even what is defined as scripture is determined by tradition, unless you can find me a contents page in scripture. It is like Doctors within KKM talking about some treatment modality, while random people online who do not undergo the same training as those KKM doctors at all, give their opinions on the same treatment modalities. They may practice TCM, or Ayurveda, or believe that they are doctors, but unless they are registered Drs with Malaysian Medical Council - searchable on MERITS, they are not licenced to practice medicine in Malaysia.

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Not too long a ago, a very close Muslim friend of mine asked for help regarding the swelling of his foot which comes and goes. He had been to government hospitals and government clinics for over 2 months but with nothing to show for. Consulted 8 different government doctors, done 5-Xrays and 8 blood tests and the reason they gave my friend was he had terlebih jalan. That was diagnosis.

With prayers and guidance from God, we managed to narrow down the list of plausible causes, before we headed to visit a specialist in a private hospital to begin the process of elimination. The specialist was very glad to diagnose the issue accurately and it was proven to be true when the appropriate test was done later. It was then that my close Muslim friend let the cat out of the bag that we had already diagnose the issue and we wanted the specialist to do the test that we wanted just to reconfirm our suspicions.

I am not licensed to practice medicine and thanks be to God for His Holy Spirit for leading and resolving this investigation.

And my Muslim friend is testing out the government specialist to see if the specialist can diagnose what is the problem. What was that again about those registered and licensed practice medicine ?

Wait I have lost the plot now. Let me slowly reread your post again because there was something that I had to write about. 😊
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post Jan 6 2021, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Bibliophile @ Jan 6 2021, 09:46 AM)
And yet who is responsible for making the diagnosis? Is it the private specialist, or you? Was the confirmatory test ordered by and interpreted by you, or the appropriate, licensed medical authority? If the diagnosis and treatment is wrong, who will your friend sue? You, or the private specialist? Yes, you may guess correctly, just like how a lot of people with URTI symptoms now guess they might have COVID-19, do a swab, and they turn out to be positive. Patients come to us many times having consulted Dr Google for a few minutes instead of 5 years of medical school and more of housemanship+MO+specialist training, and their guesses can be correct. Doctors can be wrong. And that's why you as a patient have every right to seek a second, or third, or 4th opinion with any REGISTERED medical doctor - such as your specialist who diagnosed your friend correctly. Let me be clear, you gave your opinion, the doctor made the diagnosis. Not you. You are not legally liable for your "diagnosis". The private specialist is. And if it can be proven that KKM diagnosed your friend wrongly and it is indeed a case of malpractice, then feel free to ask your friend to sue KKM. They are responsible for misdiagnosing him if that is indeed the case, and that's what we have the medicolegal department for.
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Let me be clear I gave nothing. It was the Holy Spirit, praise be to God, not even Google. I think I am capable enough to read and understand the printed test report. I doubt that my Muslim friend is that type of person to sue KKM for malpractice either for it is just not him.

However my Muslim friend is interested to see what will the registered and licensed government medical specialist come up with in the following weeks and who cares if its a diagnosis or an opinion at this juncture.

Yes you are right it is only an opinion and it is not even mine and the private specialist's was a diagnosis. If my friend wanted to sue me for negligence, at least I should gotten a cent for offering such an opinion in the first place.
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post May 21 2021, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(RootOfJesse @ May 17 2021, 05:12 PM)
Is there any proof that God/Jesus exist or anyone that had seen God before? Mind sharing your experience here? Thanks.
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Seek out the born again and they might just share with you the marvellous miracles that our Almighty God has done for them.
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