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post Mar 28 2020, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Mar 28 2020, 11:07 AM)
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also ask yourself, when you have doubts, are you able to freely question?
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Unfortunately they aren't allowed to ask questions within their community. In a previous case, legal action was taken against a man for persistently asking his religious authorities questions BECAUSE his questions weren't answered.

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post Mar 28 2020, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 28 2020, 12:38 PM)
I'll give 1 more Scripture verse that is with a doubt Jesus is God.
John 20

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jesus accepts this title of God. smile.gif He didn't reject it. If he was just a mere human, he would be afraid and would say "Worship God only, do not call me God".
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I do not know bro., he ought to have eyes which look only but cannot see, then Sacred Scriptures is proven to be true. How terrible it must be.

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post Mar 29 2020, 11:05 PM

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post Apr 3 2020, 11:35 AM

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It has come to my attention that it was claimed that Roman Catholics pray to statues, worhsip idols, pray to the saints etc etc.

I am a born again Roman Catholic and I definately never did that nor am I even practicing that today after being born again.

The primary reason that statues are found in Catholic Churches or images etc etc, is basically to remind us of our Father our God who is in heaven, to remind of our brethren the saints whom have gone ahead of us and are now in heaven. To remind us of our journey in life until we reach our destination ie the kingdom of heaven. It is not much different of having a picture of my mother-in-law in my wallet who is in heaven now.

Without a doubt some Roman Catholics may have gone over board with their adoration with the statues. If I was a Catholic priest, you can rest assure such adoration will not be allowed simply because it simply damages beautiful handwork of sculpters of an bygone era. Even the quality of present day restoration works is really depressing.

My prays are reserved only to the Holy Trinity. Period.

As for everyone else in the kingdom of heaven, I ask them to intercede for us, not pray. Why ? That is because our God is God of the living. Since our brethren are already in the presence of our Almighty God, definately their intercession will be far more effective not to mention efficient, than someone like me still stuck here on this planet trying to dial into heaven's hotline.

Just thought I'd share my personal views and practices of my faith in our God.

Cheers and God bless.

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post Apr 3 2020, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 3 2020, 11:31 PM)
Too much knowledge sometimes can be deceitful - that's why we see people argue based on their own ego.

And scientists know it all (Hence, why a lot of them are atheists). I still prefer some reverence and the unknown and perhaps the right time I will get it.

And if I ever not get it, may the Grace of God guides me in my thoughts and behaviors.

But I agree with you, faith needs to have knowledge. That's why we are encouraged to question. Question the presence of science and religion - and I believe they go hand in hand.

To your question, I belong to Christ.
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I am curious to know how is it that knowledge can be deceitful ?
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post Apr 4 2020, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Apr 4 2020, 09:09 AM)
I understand when you say it is VERY NOT easy to be a christian.

Over the years I learnt that the christian life is not for US to live but to allow Christ to live through us.

what do I mean?

when we accept Jesus, we are to make Him Lord of our life.

like this

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but most of us live like this
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and we feel that life is  like this

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the key is learning to surrender daily and allow God to take control of every area. Then  the gifts and energy already available in us  manifests itself because we allow Christ to take control.

Isaiah says

He gives power to the weak, And to those  who  have no might He increases strength. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, And the young men shall utterly fall, But those who wait on the Lord Shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint.
Isaiah 40:29‭-‬31 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/isa.40.29-31.NKJV
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BINGO !!! 👍👍👍

It is never right for any Christian to say anything one is unsure of, let alone unknowingly contradict Sacred Scriptures especially the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise its the mill stone and the abyss.

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QUOTE(popcorneater @ Apr 4 2020, 09:44 AM)
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I always believed that nothing snatch us away from the hand of God, but God will not stop us from walking out of His hand on our own free will.
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It would be most unwise to under estimate the Devil. Just as the Devil ingeniously tests our Lord Jesus Christ throughout Scriptures many times in disguise, like wise shall it be for us.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 02:44 PM)
What is a born again Roman Catholic, may I ask?
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Someone whom God himself has given His Holy Spirit so that good works will be done which is all for God's glory.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 02:58 PM)
There are people in here who talks so much about the Law but never practise it on himself, only talk pandai.

Collosians 3:8 (NIV) - 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
Filthy Language from your lips.

For your own goodness sake, stop using vulgar words like the F word. Buat malu aje. Only know how to argue and only interested in arguing but never practise to even submit obeying the Bible.
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Guilty as charged.

However what I have learnt is that different groups requires different styles of communication. For those who listens, the softest of words will command their immediate attention. However there are some, you literally have to use such words and finally there are some where the Ignore function can only be use to keep one's sanity. 😂😂😂😂😂
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 03:39 PM)
And how do you know that for sure? It sounds rather presumptuous, no? Furthermore, what you wrote is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
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Well if it was not for the Spirit of God I certainly wont be able to cast out demon. O, please go ahead and enligthen an uneducated like me on the teaching from the Catholic Church regarding born again. In simple words please. 😊

Well I am very sure because I was blind but now I see. Thanks be to God.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 05:14 PM)
A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.

By which words, a description of ther Justification of the impious is indicated,-as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. -- Council of Trent Session VI CHAPTER IV.

Regeneration is a Biblico-dogmatic term closely connected with the ideas of justification, Divine sonship, and the deification of the soul through grace. Confining ourselves first to the Biblical use of this term, we find regeneration from God used in indissoluble connection with baptism, which St. Paul expressly calls "the laver of regeneration" (Titus 3:5). In His discourse with Nicodemus (John 3:5), the Saviour declares: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." In this passage Christianity from its earliest days has found the proof that baptism may not be repeated, since a repeated regeneration from God is no less a contradiction than repeated physical birth from a mother. The idea of "birth from God" enjoys a special favour in the Joannine theology. Outside the Fourth Gospel (1:12 sq.; 3:5), the Apostle uses the term in a variety of ways, treating "birth of God" as synonymous now with the "doing of justice" (1 John 5:1, 4 sq.), and elsewhere deducing from it a certain "sinlessness" of the just (1 John 3:9; 5:18), which, however, does not necessarily exclude from the state of justification the possibility of sinning (cf. Bellarmine, "De justificatione", III, xv). It is true that in all these passages there is no reference to baptism nor is there any reference to a real "regeneration"; nevertheless, "generation from God", like baptismal "regeneration", must be referred to justification as its cause. Both terms effectually refute the Protestant notion that there is in justification not a true annihilation, but merely a covering up of the sins which still continue (covering-up theory), or that the holiness won is simply the imputation of the external holiness of God or Christ (imputation theory). -- Catholic Encyclopedia on Regeneration
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Bro., thank you very much for bravery to stand up and correct me for in that way, we build each other up in the faith. Sincerely although I don't fully understand much of what was written after the 1st paragraph, I will try my best. It does appear much more harder to understand than the Holy Bible I love.

Q : Why is there nothing indicated about doing the will of our Father ? If memory serves me right, our Lord Jesus tells us also that only those who does the will of our Father in heaven, gets to enter the kingdom of heaven right ?

So with my limited understanding these are the 3 conditions to fulfill to enter into the kingdom of heaven ie 1. Baptized 2. Born again & 3. Doing our Father's will.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 4 2020, 05:28 PM)
Actually, we do. We also ask for intercession from others as well. In fact, if I asked some friends to pray for me, not one of them will refuse my request telling me just to take it directly to God. They will all gladly intercede for me. This is sort of how it is with Catholics and prayers to the saints. When a Catholic says he or she is praying to a saint, what they really mean is they are asking for intercession from that saint. They are basically saying “St. So-and-So, pray for me”. Even in the Rosary, we ask Mary to “pray for us sinners”. This practice of asking for their intercession dates back to the earliest days of the Christian Church. Just as an aside, the word “saint” can mean different things to different people. In the Old Testament, King David used this word to refer to the Jews. In the New Testament, Paul uses it to refer to believers. Catholics also use the term “saint” to refer to Christians who have run the race and achieved the crown of heaven.

But isn’t Christ supposed to be our “one mediator”? (1 Tim. 2:5) Absolutely! I don’t think I need to convince anyone here that in asking my friends to pray for me, they are not detracting in any way from Christ’s unique role as mediator between God and man. I also don’t think I need to convince anyone that having others pray for us is good and right. Paul exhorts us to intercede for one another:

“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. ” 1 Timothy2:1-4

Saints in heaven are praying. We are told that in Scripture:

“And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” Rev. 5:8

“And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.” Rev. 8:3-4

And also in writings from the Early Church Fathers:

“But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask him. But you, [Hermas,] having been strengthened by the holy angel [you saw], and having obtained from him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from him?” Hermas, A.D. 80

“But not the high priest alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels…as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep.” Origen, A.D. 233

That those in heaven pray is supported in scripture and by the Early Church Fathers. The choice to invoke them or not is completely mine. There is no mandate of the Church to seek the intercession of the departed. However, since I know this is true:

“The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.” James 5:16 …and since I need all the help I can get, then I say why not?

In the Apostles' Creed, it mentions belief in the communion of saints. And this communion we believe exists between those on earth (Church Militant), those who have won the race (Church Triumphant), and those suffering in purgatory (Church Suffering). Only those of us here on earth and purgatory still needs help, thus intercession and prayers for one another are still needed.
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Amen.

Truly, truly, the prayers of a Catholic priest Clement Bala S. who is in heaven now, whom everyone here loved so much and still loves, has great power in its effects.

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Q : To those who has been born again, tell me what is like to walk being led by the Spirit ?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 4 2020, 09:04 PM)
You won't feel at home or at ease sinning, that's a sign you're born again.
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That is so true, not feeling at home.

Sinning cannot even exist in the same dimension when one is led by the Spirit.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Apr 5 2020, 12:39 PM)
To summarise, baptized and born again refers to the same thing. The idea that being born again being different from baptism is a modern Evangelical concept. #1/#2 is the first step, we still have to run the race, i.e. #3.
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I am utterly speechless that after all these years as an uneducated practicing Roman Catholic, I have always understood that being baptized and being born again are both mutually exclusive events. It sure looks like that there is much more for me to learn about the Catholic Church and its teachings. Thank you for that crucial piece of information.
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2020, 06:35 AM)
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In fact, that was the only reason He was crucified for.
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Spot on, mate.
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The mouth speaks of what the heart is full of. Oh I've just plagarised this. 😊
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 04:48 PM)
You're right, it's not about who is right or wrong but who actually follows Jesus in reality.

Arguing so much is of no value if one does not practise what he/she preaches.

But this problem exists in every Church.

There are people who are dogmatic, always challenging others on doctrine.

And it's usually the case, such people are the problem themselves without them realizing it.

One thing is for sure..I notice such people hardly love others. I see it's the same trait almost every where.
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Bro., then you haven't seen enough. Initially I was under that impression too. I've approached my own church about my intentions of giving a talk to fellow parishoners on how to prolong their battery lifespan and save money and reduce pollution. That proved to be a dead end for whatever reason.

I remembered when I asked our Lord for wisdom, I vowed to help my very own Catholics first. In a strange twist of fate, the Catholics have been knocked off the perch and now praise the Lord, it is the other Christian denominations that I am helping first, not the Catholics. If that isn't enough, the Catholics seems to be least percentage of the people that I have helped todate. Maybe all the other Roman Catholics are already achieving a 4 year battery lifespan. 😊

As for this Christian denomination, the care and love that they have for one another simply by looking out for one another, does makes me feel that I am not in the right group at the moment. What I love about them is their eagerness to learn about things. They don't even challenge me on batteries which makes teaching all the more easier, unlike some who knows next to nothing about batteries and they just want to challenge me with the little incorrect knowledge that they have. Teruk teruk got eyes but cannot see, got ears but cannot hear. 😊

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 09:35 PM)
Phone batteries?
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Car batteries.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Apr 9 2020, 09:55 PM)
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Simple question but tough to answer.

I would say it depends from whom you are getting your batteries from & it also depends on you as the end user, how does one use & care the battery.

I have had numerous successes with Century over the years achieving 48 months lifespan and now I am testing my 1st Panasonic battery which will be 48 months by the end of this year. If I can repeat another 48 months on another Panasonic battery, then its a yes from me.

Once we understand the advantages and disadvantages of batteries and learn how to turn that into our advantage, only then we can extend the battery lifespan.

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