Hi guys, planning to buy handsome new ride sedan. (Having Civic as top followed by new Corolla and Mazda 3)

Eye-ing for this pretty Civic FC since 2016 (when I was just an Uni undergraduate) and now comes the FL 2019.

Joined FC fb group and found out alot of common issues for current model. Please share your thoughts all Civician. Pros and Cons from you is wayyyy highly appreciated

Budget wise would be around for 120k new / 85k 2nd-hand. Turbo is optional but found out advices to get it but nasty for its maintenance.

Thanks in advanced.



This post has been edited by kwk_1995: Sep 10 2019, 02:55 PM

Actually with turbo all you have to do is get the car serviced and engine oil changed before the next sticker time/distance, not when you reach it, and you need to know some basic rules like drive lightly for at least a few minutes before you can even consider pushing it, and let the car idle for a few minutes too after a stressful drive. Turbo also makes driving characteristics very different. Its not a maintenance nightmare if you know how to take care of it.

I'd also recommend the manual over auto, as honda isnt known to have good autos, but are well known to have good manual.

i suggest the used over new, can even get turbo but you must check the service record to make sure it has been religiously serviced, and that no expanse was spared (like some workshops may rip off customer and only change oil at twice the interval but charge and list it), so check properly. People also tend to drive the civics harder so you should check for that when buying used.

If the used car has a manual transmission can definitely consider, otherwise get new. Still 4 years for a 1/3 drop in price is small.

With a turbo you dont need a bigger engine, so you save in both fuel and tax, but you just need to know how to drive and take care of it, including the FC when using the turbo with the standard RON 95.

Spare no expense in judging the state of the used car as used cars in malaysia are way too pricey for what is offered and its known that people tend to drive civics hard (one of the highest accident cars in US).

Toyota corolla is a decent choice, supposedly has good customer service, and is faster than the VW golf and is one of jeremy clarkson's most hated cars because its that good. Might not be your taste but good numbers all around.

Mazda 3 is a nice car to drive/own too, i suggest driving all 3 and see which one you like. All 3 choices are decent. The mazda 3 is usually a decent entry level car and should be cheaper than the civic if you dont need a lot of performance.

Old Top gear, jeremy clarkson cant figure out why people buy it and he hates it because its that good lol


This post has been edited by System Error Message: Sep 10 2019, 12:33 AM

wrong.

1. Go test all proposed models in the showroom. You'd not want to leave mazda after that

2. For every year of an older used car you get, you save 10-20%. Buy smart, think that you're a young graduate with a fresh start and do not wanna burn too much on depreciation.


3. Cars between 3-5years are generally maintenance free. Anything between 1-3years isnt maintenance free. Might as well let the previous owner waste his time at the SC for you


Enjoy!

either way. every car has its perks and whatnot.
Big reasons why civic outnumbered altis on the road and not many mazdas on the road either. Some find one better than the other in terms of looks, driveability etc.

You test all, you judge. Dont let others make the choice for you. Their condom preference might not fit your brother.

I provided video proof of toyota with 1.6L engine beating vw with 2L engine, ofcourse you are welcome to show me evidence otherwise.

hahaha cerita zaman bila ni...

that's why dont use internet explorer..hahahaha

Honda Civic FC where got manual in Malaysia , all is CVT lah

You want manual Civic? Option 1 is Type R (FD2R, FK8R etc.), 8th gen FD manual converts, or 20yrs old Civic EJ

"The mazda 3 is usually a decent entry level car and should be cheaper than the civic if you dont need a lot of performance." i doubt this guy every statement.

Mazda3 not expensive like fark meh after the CKD assembly being ended, now all CBU

Dont know which fantasy world he live in got manual non-Type R Civic and Mazda3 being cheap

Having a few friends of mine wanna sell their sweet Civic due to "boredom" after 2-3 years for 1.8s. But couldn't agree more as its known that people tend to drive civic hard especially current model.
They have a quote stated that "if you owned a civic without modification, better push ur civic into the sea"

Dont bother. As a ex civic FC 1.5 TCP owner

If you want to be stressfree without any problems. Go get the new mazda 3 CBU

Back then i thought civic a popular vehicle shouldnt give me problems but i was so wrong and regret. So far after getting rid of it and notice malaysia made civics are problematic

If you wonder why are there so many used civics on the market ( FC ) . They sold it the same reasons i have
The problems are even worse than my old VW gti

Dont complain about the price of a fully imported japan mazda 3. For 160k ( top spec ) it is consider a bargain and it is way better than bmw 118i in comparison except for the engine power since it is not a turbo.

Japan mazda 3 vs a CKD mazda 3 have huge differences from NvH , Speaker system , Tech equipment and even the paint job is better. The Soul red color in mazda malaysia have been causing a uproar because of the method malaysia mazda use and it is much thinner layer compare to japan

Also the panel quality is different. Malaysia CKD units uses the same cheaper way for their vehicles

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2019, 10:54 AM

Is this the same person from your siggie? hahaha

TS, wait until facelift released, then only decide.

Wut? you sold your Civic already?

I thought I read your comments in Civic club tered before.

Never thought that you sold it already.

Now you drive what car?

Civic is a cool car, good choice.

I used to hang with out singapre civic club.

So i know the differences between a malaysia made civic and singpapore civic. From what i can understand singapore civics are imported from thailand

That was 1-2 years ago. I do not know whether they still get it from thailand

When i sat down and drive a singapore civic. I already notice the difference even the panel quality is better

It is not that BIG difference but it is very obvious and noticeable. From the insulation sheets beneath the fabric floors to door panels and even the plastic quality is different. The fitment is much better from inside to outside

Malaysia honda units tend to have complains with misalignment and inaccurate car body panels.

Also the engine area in the singpaore unit was better. Back then most civic fc owners in malaysia encounter a awkward noise during second startup of the day. The only way to fix it completely is to replace it

Not all service centers in malaysia will allow that. As far i know back then out of so many members in the malaysia civic x group. Only one able to get it replace ( VIP customer identified later on ) or maybe a direct friendship with the directors. Because this process will take months to approve

There is no way a SC will just replace a part just a customer request. I went SC dozens of time to fix this crap and always say no problem

My civic fc was not cheap too. If i recalled it is around the 130k price range
After getting rid of it . Omg that feels of freedom

I only mentioned like 2-3 problems in this thread. There are more but i do not want to start a argument with civic fans


This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2019, 11:19 AM

Pattern same. Probably.

All I'm thinking is whether TS can afford the ownership cost.

You've just started working for 3 years (if graduated in 2016).

You don't wanna be part of the statistics of young people getting counseling from AKPK

Hence i was right. Mazda pls

Maybe you should share it here since this is not a civic forum specifically.

Maybe you can read the Civic thread since it's a public forum.

The way he speak more like he is trying to justify the 160k New Mazda 3 he bought recently. That's what most people do right? Bought something better and curse the old one.

By the way, the new 3 liftback

Let me guess, steering rack issue is one of the problems yeah?

amscouzach57 haha thanks for your advice lol but my company does providing car allowances.

Nah I didn't buy the Mazda 3. It was launch after I changed to a company registered 4x4. Funnny thing is this 4x4 is way better than civic in everything . The extra safety features are top notch too.

I know people tend to hate or dislike 4x4s but lol. It's true because the nightmare problems on the civic do not exist in this 4x4 at all..

Needed more cargo to fit 4 boxes without putting seats down or going to the place twice. X70 is a good choice too but my company wanted something more rugged capable. Well company help me pay half of the loan.... It's a good opportunity and deal too

Yes. It is

I replaced four times on this garbage rack thing. The quality and fitment as if it is coming from a perodua Axia

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2019, 03:06 PM

If you know you need to move big items/lots of stuff that often why buy civic in the first place. Funny thing is that you bought the wrong car to begin with and blame the car for what it's not meant to be.

Why people hate 4x4?

yeah i knew a honda troll fan will tag me into this sooner or later. That is why i said i dont want to continue with problems aside

My first choice was my own personal car . That is my decision

But my company found out the problems i have been experiencing and told me they will help me loan a vehicle if they choose it themselves

Of course there are some requirements to sign not just that.

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If you want to continue the argument. Forget it
There are worse owners than me in the civic x group as i recalled. You can go there and troll all you like
Some even try to file a lawsuit and ask for the part replacement lol

I did not waste my time on a crap so when i found a dealer willing to buy my civic with a good resale value price. I immediately say yes

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2019, 03:20 PM

Some may say the civic is too low for elderly to get in and out the car, but SUV type also is hard as they have to step higher or "climb" too.

How much the dealer makan ur civic? Just a rough figure will do

Exactly 100k. 2 Years old
model: 1.5TCP

Its just coincidental I'm a civic user and I didn't even opt to buy the 1.5tc / tcp because i'm a cheapskate. @ 100k price point Civic has the best overall package.

Calling me a fan just because i replied you?

I'm definitely a fan of LFC since 2000 but not a fan of any car brand or whatever I used daily. It's just a need.

Yes. It's very low for the elderly. If got knee pain sure have problem getting out of the car.

no need old. as a 90kg 180cm guy..i also got this problem.

Okay do what you like. Saying me blame the car from your previous post

As if i want it to have problems to make my life bad. I visited the SC even more than i visit a company second branch and that is why the company caught my attention and willing to help me change vehicle.

I rather not think of the civic fc nightmares. So peace out on the civic problems aside

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 10 2019, 03:38 PM

Same height & 75+ kg i think. ok for me if i put the seating position at the lowest point but not so easy for rear & front passenger.

If carry kids out from the car also difficult at time.

That's unfortunate for you.

100k definitely a good price to trade in.

No, compact SUV like CRV, CX-5 or even HR-V have a seating position that's leveled to most asian sized adult. Meaning your butt is about the same level as the seats and to get in the car you just have to slide in your butt, don't have to bend your knees or even step up. Very comfortable to get in.

X70 just fit enough when wanna go it and got out from the car

Even recent tests, the VW golf loses to many other vehicles in its class and even those that are cheaper. The grand tour (old top gear crew), did review a new development made within a couple of years for the hot hatch segment.

Even the hyundai i30N beats it while costing less and not wearing out after the race.

This is one thing i hate about honda in malaysia. In other countries you can get the manual option, i mean even their bikes are manual.

The CVT is a decent option. You might not believe it but honda CVT is more reliable than their standard auto, though performance wise im not sure as it would depend on which technology they use. Toyota has a 1st gear for their CVT so it does perform well. Sadly i've not driven a CVT vehicle so i dont know what direction to give in terms of performance. Some supercars use CVT as well so its not that theres no performance there, just depends on the tech used, but CVT is more efficient than manual.

Golf vs Corolla suddenly pusing become Golf vs i30N.

wrong.

civic FL open for booking now! end of sept launch.

Btw mazda 3 > civic

Now is waiting for their pricelist to get updated.

while not well known, some cars in the higher end have used CVTs. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/...ms_cvt_gearbox/ . CVTs can actually be fast if it varies to keep the engine in the highest RPM instead.

Im saying that many cars are faster than the golf, the golf is an overhyped hatchback that many think is sporty and fast when it isnt.

F1 is supercar? F1 need to rebuild transmission after every couple races, supercar ada?

I have had CVT cars, I know very well what it is capable and also why it is not used in high power applications.

Still waiting for you to name one supercar that use CVT. Do you even know what are supercars?

And I am telling you, in Malaysia, Golf is faster than a Corolla.

This post has been edited by dares: Sep 10 2019, 09:05 PM

There is one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autom...r_Cars_with_CVT , i remember they were testing and while CVT was faster, it wouldnt sell well since people dont like the feel of it. A lot of high performance cars in the list too.

What test was done to show the golf was faster than the toyota corolla? was a drag race done? timed race? I can show newer videos of the gold losing to other hatchbacks but its rare people compare the corolla to golf nowadays. Perhaps get a drag race time of both models of similar year models.

You just say wrong to everything i say without backing up your statements.

Wrong.

Regera does not use CVT. Go find other sources other than Wikipedia.



You are the one who said Malaysian Corolla faster than Golf in the first place, the onus is on you to prove it first.

This post has been edited by dares: Sep 10 2019, 09:30 PM

Your links and wall of text are not working.

Please go back to kopitiam ok?

no i went and checked in detail. It uses an auto gearbox without the gears. Just the torque converter with the locking mechanism.

I know its used somewhere in racing just cant remember where, and some of the arguments was that the auto gearbox is faster than manual.

How is a malaysian corolla different from a corolla in the UK, EU, US? The designs are the same.

Hi, im actually booked for a civic 1.5tcp and my car is currently the current facelift, is it better to wait for the new facelift? About pricing..same or much expensive?

Pricing for the FL Civic has yet to be revealed.

If you're able to wait, maybe you can opt to wait until Honda releases the pricing?

I was informed by the salesman, no more stock left if i wait, people have to wait for the latest facelift is what he said

So you are wrong. No supercar uses CVT.

So where is your proof? 1.8NA Corolla vs 1.4TSI Golf.

for CVT doesnt mean that there isnt, just that i've rarely seen mentions outside of tests and some small reviews. Irregardless, CVTs can offer performance as well, and can handle the torque if it is able to be used in F1.

Wheres your proof that corolla and golf in malaysia are different than the rest of the world? Typical old malaysian mindset, thinking the golf is a good car and fast.

So please name one supercar with CVT. I know CVTs can do performance, but that is not the issue keeping CVTs away from high performance applications.

Like I said, you made the claim that Malaysian Corolla is faster than Golf in the first place. So the onus is on your to prove it. Remember, it's Corolla 1.8NA CVT vs Golf 1.4TSI.

This post has been edited by dares: Sep 12 2019, 12:50 AM

well toyota's CVT has a launch gear, so depending on whether or not the CVT is allowed to let the engine go all the way up to redline depends on whether or not it would win. I assume the 1.4 TSI has a turbo?

Given toyota's ability to get a lot of power out of a small NA engine, and the golf's sluggish design, it still seems like the corolla would be the winner. Would need to find drag race timings for both configs.

So not only you don't have any proof..... you know so little about the cars you are comparing, that you have to ask if the Golf is turbo.

Come I help you. Go look at the power, torque, 0-100 and top speed figures.

https://www.carbase.my/car-comparison?id=Gu...PZTT,JKUvkaDINs,

BTW, Corolla with Direct Shift CVT is not launched here yet. Soon, but not yet. But based on online figures, unless UMW bring in the 2.0 Hybrid, the Corolla is still the slower car.

https://www.car.info/en-se/toyota/corolla/e210-17760175

FYI, the new Corolla is launched in Thai with 1.6, 1.8 and 1.8 hybrid engines only.

So here you have it, my proof, which so far you have provided zilch other than empty talk and figures from your ass. What's funny is I am actually looking forward to the upcoming new Corolla Altis launch in Malaysia because I want to try out TNGA on the Corolla.

Oh and before you jilat the new DS-CVT....

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/20/2019-to...hback-recalled/

1800cc consider small ka, I've seen 1990s Honda B16 1600cc already had 170hp then. Sub-140hp from 1800cc NA after 20 years is honestly kind of pathetic considering cars all getting heavier than ever

VW Golf in Malaysia only sold with 1 engine choice (unless you buy GTi or R) lah, don't be smart alec and compare other international market where VW offer lower-end engines. Here we get the 1.4TSI turbo, 150hp 250nm, blow up or not I dont know since is VW but I don't know any Toyota Corolla with that power output

Also Corolla is heavier than the Golf as dares showed, so macam mana can faster with more weight & less power.

Jump buy recond MK7 golf gti 2013 for 140k la.. If u want fast maa.

Or type r fk 280k only for recond.

Since when in Malaysia a Corolla is considered a fast car ? Hahahaha

Everyone knows the fastest car in Malaysia is The Myvi

I drive K20A3, K20A and K24Z also sked...

In comparison solely on price points, I reckon that Mazda is the most expensive faring against Toyota and Honda?
Please correct me if I am wrong.

current gen? yes. m3 price is near D seg price

Mazda price point is always on the high side.
You may want to also take a look at the All New Toyota Corolla Altis, design wise it is quite nice.

i'd like to get proof but am really really busy. maybe we can continue our discussion another time on a separate thread on a holiday. Recalls arent a bad thing, in the past manufacturers avoided recalls because paying the insurance was cheaper. A frequent recall just means the manufacturer is owning up to mistakes. Its the reason why when comparing coway to cuckoo i picked coway even though cuckoo's price is half. Toyota's customer service does help. In the past when they tried to deny the unintended acceleration and try to blame it on the driver, citing the computer logs (pedal was said to be fully pressed) even when it was not. Ford quite many years ago and GMC in more recent times also do the same thing, avoiding the recalls unless required by law.

I just wish in malaysia we get the same variants as other countries, maybe without the internal heaters ofcourse.

I also know the TSI is turbo, but different markets could have different variations.
its not really the CC, the reason i mentioned was because recent peroduas within 3 years uses toyota's engines, and the 1.3 liter DVVTi was also used in some lexus with the engine tuned at 110 bhp. Proton's recent campros was also down tuned at 1.6L producing 104bhp at a high rev. One thing some japanese manufacturers do is undertune their engines for the sake of reliability, but you also need to check the rating because usually its something like 100bhp at 5k revs, whereas an older rating can be 150bhp at 7k revs so you can get more power than rated, only how its rated differs. The way power is measured now vs 90s is different too, but no cars are tuned to have lower higher torque at lower rpm rather than more revs and more horsepower in total to fulfill better efficiency and most driving needs.

With plastic internals being used more often, they crack under stress over time rather than metal piping inside and entry level cars, the most common on the road in the 90s was usually 1600cc NA carburated engines that produced around 80bhp. So that is why manufacturers of most common cars do not consider keeping pace with moore's law since it means they can improve the car all around while making it cheaper too.

yeah the corolla used to be lighter. The CVT is theoratically the most superior transmission both in power and efficiency even better than manual, so thats just the last factor other than the engines. Even for the golf with its turbo, the turbo could be tuned in a specific way that may kick in only at higher RPMs. Audi has their turbos always running even for petrol.

So far with F1 they can get more than 500bhp from a 1.6L engine, but that puts a lot of stress on parts and the engines are only expected to last the course not to mention more expensive and better materials are used to make them. F1 has become interesting in tech since they put rules like how many replacement parts of each type are allowed per course or per race. I remember the number of engines was limited for the whole course. I dont think manufacturers arent capable of producing small powerful engines, it just depends on their target audience and plans.

There are a lot of factors for which car would win a drag race, i cant find any videos, only comparing the golf/polo vs other hatchbacks, and some are mixed. For instance Theres some comparing with the yaris where in some videos it wins and in some videos it loses comparing models of the same year. Most consistent would be US quarter mile drag strip with a proper timer, just a matter of finding out if anyone has tried it there and get the times from there.

1) i don't remember any recent lexus models that come with 1.3L engines. Can you enlighten me?
2) when manufacturer states the official power specs, they always quote max power at X rpm, and likewise for torque. It is the standard of the industry regardless of brand and region. There is no difference in rating, only difference in tune (if any).
3) Moore's law only apply to semiconductor industry, even more so specifically on the number of transistors. If car industry really follow that, there wouldn't be planes any more, because the power number of the regular car will exceed any turbofan engine by now if follow moore's law; or the small venerable tamiya model car engines that are the size of a thumb would output at least the same amount of power of a regular car now.
4) turbochargers starts spinning the moment there is exhaust pressure, they don't kick in in certain rev. I presume you have access to a lot of car techs, so go play with a turbocharger, even you put a hard enough blow with your mouth can spin the impeller easily. Manufacturer's quote a certain rpm because that range is the most efficient range the turbocharger is running for a particular engine, not because it "kick in" or "activated". The people in the industry call it surge line and there is a graph corresponding to the pressure and flow rate.

You start to sound like a certain "someone" around sometime ago, or are you the same person

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Sep 17 2019, 01:58 PM

1) Its an older lexus, it was something i read and would like to find out more. But the point is its not exactly new technology, but small reliable engines with decent power is a good way forwards, especially in malaysia where your road tax is also dependent on engine size.
2) you can rate things differently. The RPM used for rating can be different but it just gives an idea. This is because engine rev limits are different.
3) I mentioned moore's law as a joke, because there have been talks about how far ahead cars would be if their development followed but like with intel for a few years, they can choose to not develop things further or provide a lower end version.
4) recent turbo chargers use multi geomatry and many other enhancements. While they do use exhaust pressure to spin, you can tweak them to specifically work in a specific way. So whether or not the turbo spins, you can open the waste gate so you dont have to match the fuel to all that air in times when you dont need power or to make sure the induction happens when there is enough force. Not all turbos spin when the engine is at idle since even the size of the turbo does matter here. too slow of a spin isnt enough to create the required inductive force. Its easy to spin but not so easy to spin to get the inductive force needed and the technology behind it has always allowed it to work really well, to reduce the impact of external factors like speed and rpm that you can get the torque you need at the RPM of the engine its best at, and have reduced to no effect at other RPMs. Most of them are tuned for torque at peak torque which is where you get the most torque/rev as hp is a function of torque*rev, just so other readers dont get confused, so definitely more torque at higher rev but torque/rev would be lower (not part of this but just avoiding confusion).

Just saying car tech now is really good that any sort of car can be engineered.

Was wondering when you will join the "discussion"

I'm done with him, you have fun now

wakao...don't "abandon" me leh....

Still no news for the new civic FL huhhhh

wait jan 2020 see

civic fc or wait for new honda rs ?